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New Video Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon Released

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Well, no. But it seems to be the same police car that drove across the camera at the beginning. Watch it. Watch the car appear on the left, after the explosion (at 2:29 on this video) and drive along in front of the pentagon, then out into the lawn. I'm 90% sure it's a car or a van... And it's between us and the crash site (judging by the shadow of the smoke). So that means it would be closer than the 'plane'.

But no, we can't tell exactly how big it is.


Well Benevolent, if the car is "closer than the plane" to the camera do you think you can surmise the size of the aircraft or the vehicle that is seen there by trying to compare each other?

BTW, the cameras take pictures every half second, or every second, did the car suddenly appear there from where it was first seen? now that would be a real conspiracy theory.

If you look at the picture I gave of the firetrucks that vehicle which is seen in the picture could very well be one of the firetrucks.

[edit on 20-5-2006 by Muaddib]




posted on May, 20 2006 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Well Benevolent, if the car is "closer than the plane" to the camera do you think you can surmise the size of the aircraft or the vehicle that is seen there by trying to compare each other?


No. That's the point I was making. We CAN'T tell how big it was. Read my post.




BTW, the cameras take pictures every half second, or every second, did the car suddenly appear there from where it was first seen?


Again, if you read my post, I say it enters the left side of the screen ( I even gave you the time and link to the video), drives alongside the front of the Pentagon, then out on the lawn. You can SEE it.


I refuse to have a discussion with someone who doesn't read my posts. Thanks, anyway.


[edit on 20-5-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Ah...I see, so i guess the people who saw the airplane flying directly to the Pentagon were all working for the government...

The only BS that can be seen in this thread is that those people who like yourself don't want to believe the evidence which has been shown time and again are in denial and you will only accept a lie that the government was behind it and it was not a passenger craft....
There ware plenty of people who claim it was a small plane, eye witness are totally unreliable. The government has the only evidnece yet they refuse to release it and prove their case.

hmmmmm, I wonder why.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Flyer
There ware plenty of people who claim it was a small plane, eye witness are totally unreliable. The government has the only evidnece yet they refuse to release it and prove their case.

hmmmmm, I wonder why.


Riiight... WEll perhaps the request by people like yourself for the government to release all videos from all cameras that point to the Pentagon could be the reason why they are not releasing those videos...

I mean, is not like the Pentagon is not that important right?....

It is not like such videos could be used to plan another attack on the Pentagon...

I wonder why the people who believe all the nonsense that it was not a plane cannot think nor comprehend why "all the videos from cameras at the Pentagon" can't be given to the public because then the information is out for anyone including those that would use that information to make other attacks...

Humm.... you people claim yourselves to be pretty smart....then use your brains and think...



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:19 PM
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Just to make it simpler to those people who don't seem to understand why the govenrment won't release all or most of the videos of those cameras which "are still videotaping the Pentagon".... Go to your nearest Walmart, ask to speak with the store Manager and go ahead and ask him to give you all, or any, of the videotapes they use for security, and don't forget to mention to him that "you are going to post all those videos for all the world to see".... Then after doing that come back here and tell us his response...then go ahead and proclaim "there must be a conspiracy because the Manager didn't want to release the videos from a simple Walmart store"..... And you are claiming that because all the videos from the PENTAGON are not made public, it must be a conspiracy.....



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

A Fire Truck?





No it very well could be this piece of wreckage.





Hey - What About That ROAD?!?!



Its not a road. BH explained it very nicely for you, it is a shadow of the explosion created by the sun.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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I've talked to firefighters that were there.

It was a plane and they had no reason to tell me otherwise.

They saw more than they would like to have seen.

For me, the more important question is who was controlling the flight.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
It was a plane and they had no reason to tell me otherwise.


Did they say it was a 757?



For me, the more important question is who was controlling the flight.


An important question regardless of what the thing was... Who guided whatever it was into the Pentagon?

There are many unanswered questions.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Riiight... WEll perhaps the request by people like yourself for the government to release all videos from all cameras that point to the Pentagon could be the reason why they are not releasing those videos...

I mean, is not like the Pentagon is not that important right?....

It is not like such videos could be used to plan another attack on the Pentagon...

I wonder why the people who believe all the nonsense that it was not a plane cannot think nor comprehend why "all the videos from cameras at the Pentagon" can't be given to the public because then the information is out for anyone including those that would use that information to make other attacks...

Humm.... you people claim yourselves to be pretty smart....then use your brains and think...

how about the ones at the petrol station or the one at the hotel, its a public space and explain to me how those videos will help future attacks?.

How about the camera pointing directly at the plane from the roof of the pentagon, it would show the whole thing, explain to me how that would help more attacks when it shows the same area as the released videos, except for the fact that it would show what hit.

The national security card is pure bollocks only used when government apologists have nothing more to go on.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Just to make it simpler to those people who don't seem to understand why the govenrment won't release all or most of the videos of those cameras which "are still videotaping the Pentagon".... Go to your nearest Walmart, ask to speak with the store Manager and go ahead and ask him to give you all, or any, of the videotapes they use for security, and don't forget to mention to him that "you are going to post all those videos for all the world to see".... Then after doing that come back here and tell us his response...then go ahead and proclaim "there must be a conspiracy because the Manager didn't want to release the videos from a simple Walmart store"..... And you are claiming that because all the videos from the PENTAGON are not made public, it must be a conspiracy.....

Yes, if you watch any crime show, they will always show the criminal act in full in order to help catch the people who did it. Ive never, ever once heard (except for governments) of someone failing to show criminal footage and use protecting their security as an excuse.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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This was a conversation over breakfast at a local hangout frequented by many first responders.

They were from the Dulles International Airport Fire Marshalls Office.

I told them about my FOIA request to the FAA about certain missing details
including what happened to the wings, the tail section fuselage etc. Part serial numbers
and other normal post crash data.

I asked these questions telling them that I was trying to separate conspiracy theory from fact
just for my own peace of mind.
Essentially, I wanted to know what happened to such a huge aircraft and how it was possible
for so little of the aircraft to be found outside the building.

I also mentioned the photos of officials carrying away something rather large hidden under a blue
tarp.
This has been addressed in another thread.

I can only quote what was said.

"It was definitely a plane."

The blue tarps were used to hide some rather gruesome remains, with charred body parts literally everywhere, but mostly from inside the building and some hanging out of sections of the plane.

I can only guess that everything containing any traces of human remains were taken
to Delaware.

It may be a subjective comment on my part, but you could see in their eyes that they would really rather forget what they had witnessed.

I'm of the opinon that they had no reason to mislead me.

I really do think it's more important to research how it happened and who was actually behind
the controls of flight 77.

We do have official reports that the same C-130 was instructed by someone to fly over the Pentagon
and the Flight 93 crash site.

I can only speculate that flight 77 was under remote control and that this was accomplished
using flight simulation techniques from a remote location.

I doubt we will ever know what happened to the control mechanisms at the crash site.

I do still strongly believe that 911 was a "created event" used to justify military industrial funding.


















[edit on 20-5-2006 by FallenFromTheTree]



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
I can only speculate that flight 77 was under remote control and that this was accomplished
using flight simulation techniques from a remote location.

I doubt we will ever know what happened to the control mechanisms at the crash site.

I do still strongly believe that 911 was a "created event" used to justify military industrial funding.
Thats my theory too, this is a smokescreen and they will bring out the proper footage later and say, look, we were right and all the conspiracy idiots are wrong.

Then the public wont believe the other legitimate holes elsewhere in the plot.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 09:05 PM
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Exactly!

The images of a civilian airliner will be used to support the terrorist attacks therefore
debunking many conspiracy theories without disclosing the real conspiracy.


"The War on Terror" equates to an endless battle against EVIL, the perfect enemy
to justify decades of military funding, invasions of civil liberties and record profits
for all those involved.

Al Qaeda=$$ $$$$$

These images say a lot! from "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" PNAC

In fact, in my view this is the strongest evidence of motive for the events of 9/11

img233.imageshack.us...
img258.imageshack.us...

Read it yourself and then look at who founded PNAC.
Download link www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf







[edit on 20-5-2006 by FallenFromTheTree]



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Flyer
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how about the ones at the petrol station or the one at the hotel, its a public space and explain to me how those videos will help future attacks?.


How about you made a request for that to the government, or the hotel owners.....

And still, for some reason, you want to dismiss those people who were there and saw it happen, you want to dismiss the pictures and evidence found that there were plane parts...and bodies of people who were passengers..

The fact of the matter is, no matter what evidence is given, some people will always want to proclaim that there was no plane, and it was done by the U.S government....



Originally posted by Flyer
How about the camera pointing directly at the plane from the roof of the pentagon, it would show the whole thing, explain to me how that would help more attacks when it shows the same area as the released videos, except for the fact that it would show what hit.

The national security card is pure bollocks only used when government apologists have nothing more to go on.


No, the BS comes when people like yourself proclaim "there is no government secrets to keep".... Try asking the same thing from other countries, maybe you should try China or even Russia to release videos of cameras in their military buildings and see what they tell you...

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
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I can only speculate that flight 77 was under remote control and that this was accomplished
using flight simulation techniques from a remote location.

I doubt we will ever know what happened to the control mechanisms at the crash site.

I do still strongly believe that 911 was a "created event" used to justify military industrial funding.


Yeah...ok, and the proof for all your claims is?..... a hunch?.... because there are other people who will rather believe the fantasies and lies which those who want to claim, "there was no plane and the government was behind it", say so too?...



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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What a shame. Maybe one day you'll start denying ignorance. I can understand what it's like though. There was a time in my life when I believed everything I read on the internet, and believed things for the sole reason that they were anti-establishment. Of course, then I encountered the real world and grew up.


So instead of believing everything you read on the internet, you believe everything you hear on tv.

That would explain why your not even open to the aurgument it wasn't a 747



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:39 PM
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If we look at this as a crime scene.

We have to account for possible motives
then determine how it was done and then by whom.

Unfortunately, we are not capable of examining the evidence ourselves.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
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I can only speculate that flight 77 was under remote control and that this was accomplished
using flight simulation techniques from a remote location.

I doubt we will ever know what happened to the control mechanisms at the crash site.

I do still strongly believe that 911 was a "created event" used to justify military industrial funding.


Yeah...ok, and the proof for all your claims is?..... a hunch?.... because there are other people who will rather believe the fantasies and lies which those who want to claim, "there was no plane and the government was behind it", say so too?...


Since, like myself, FalenFromTheTree clearly accepts the probability that it was an American Airlines 757 that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 (try reading his posts without the blinkers of prejudice), your association of him with those conspiratorialists who claim that "there was no plane" is a false and sophistic argument.

As I said in my previous post, the fact that it almost certainly was an AA 757 that attacked the Pentagon is not even evidence, let alone proof, that there was no conspiracy involved in the 9-11 attacks. In fact, FalenFromTheTree's theory of remote guidance of the 9-11 aircraft is not simply wild speculation - there could be more substance to it than perhaps he himself realizes. See:

geocities.com...



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 12:41 AM
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Thanks Pseudonymous,

I had forgotten where I first heard of this capability in any detail.

So now we have a motive and a method of execution based on known technology.

The hijackers are trained and funded and then blessed on their quest for martyrdom.

Little do they know that someone else will be flying the planes.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 01:08 AM
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Hello all - I'm a n00b to this thread, so bare with me if I say something that someone else has already stated. I've read pretty much all of your posts on this thread and I wanted to include a link that I found extremely interesting...the video is interesting in its presentation, but really it comes down to your own thoughts on fact or fiction - but I do recommend it for an interesting visual:

www.pentagonstrike.co.uk...

I don't know how many of you have been to that site, but check out the video, it covers some of the questions posted on this thread...however, its up to you if you want to believe it or not
I got that link from a close friend who's brother was stationed in Germany. Apparently it was being passed around among his unit. I got this link during 2003.

I've been reading up on this particular crash after I received this link. I find it interesting that only two years before 9-11 "on October 25, 1999, at 9:33 a.m. air traffic controllers in Florida lost touch with a Learjet carrying golfer Payne Stewart after it left Orlando headed for Dallas, Texas. Nineteen minutes after Air Traffic Control realized something was wrong, one or more US Air Force fighter jets were already on top of the situation, in the air, close to the Learjet. Moreover, throughout the course of its flight, Payne Stewart's jet was given escort from National Guard aircraft coordinated across state lines." (as taken from www.public-action.com...)
I can't understand how NORAD could respond so quickly regarding this flight, but manage to just miss the planes that crashed into the WTC, the Pennsylvania field and Pentagon. I've read about the timeline regarding them dispatching F15s and then F16s - I just can't understand how jets that can fly as fast as they can couldn't reach their objective or that they waited so long to dispatch them to begin with. I encourage those of you that have opinions on this to state them - I want to hear what others have to say as well. Truly this whole incident, tragic yes, is still incredibly interesting with how it has evolved since that day.

Also I do find it interesting that some sites like a few of the links on the pentagonstrike one believe that the reason why the gov. orchestrated the pentagon hit was to have a plausible means to eliminate evidence, be it paper or people. And to this day, eventhough its not really to do with this particular thread...I don't understand why WTC 7 collapsed. The whole events of 9-11 to me seem orchestrated for a higher purpose...whether that's an evidence coverup, a bin Laden setup or even the Israelis framing Arabs for it - that day is a puzzle to me. The only true thing regarding that day is that thousands of innocent people were murdered for someone's plan. If only it were easy to trace the evidence back to the culprit, be it terrorists or the government.



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