A few questions for the hardcore creationists, page 2

I'm not sure I'd be considered "hard core" but I should have probably answered the Op post first, bad form, sorry 'bout that. For the record: I'm an old-Earth creationist; see this page for an example of an OE creation model. I'm familiar enough with YE/global flood arguments to give their position... hopefully, if I misrepresent their position, they'll step in and correct me.

Originally posted by Jugg
Okay, so im going to drop af few questions here.
I will only accept answers that you can back up with a valid source, a scientific source, from at NON-BIAS website, book or the like.

Give a good example[s] of an acceptable souce, for both sides.

1. First of all, are people like Kent Hovind reliable sources?

I'd say no. Here's his site: www.drdino.com... and TO's FAQ page on him.

The Institute for Creation Research is a good YE site imo. Here's their staff.

2. Are ALL dating methods faulty?

No, but not entirely accurate either of course. I'd say close enough, YE's would say they're WAY off. There's plenty of scientific arguments to be had here. Your question is too general to be a good stating point imo, you'll have to pick one of those examples (from the ICR search link) to discuss or restate the question. FWIW here's Hovind's page on dating.

My side, the old-Earthers, would say: Science and Scripture both support an old Earth/universe.

Use the ATS search feature; you'll find plenty of threads around here where the finer points have already been discussed at some length.

3. Did men and dino's co-exist?

I'd say no.

YE's, I believe, would point out:

- The Paluxy river tracks

- AIG's page on dinosaurs.

- Depictions of dinosaurs in Ancient rock art, eg: ("Ancient Indian rock drawings, like this one of a sauropod dinosaur from White River Canyon, Utah, show that dinosaurs coexisted with man.") Ancient dinosaur depictions

- 'Malachite Man' ("These humans appear to have been buried by the same catastrophe that buried dinosaurs in this continent spanning formation. Humans and dinosaurs must have lived at the same time!")

- Descriptions of dinosaurs in Scripture

4. How was Noah able to collect all animals, were the earth one big land mass?

See: AIG's How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

The mechanism for the flood (ie, where'd all the water come from/go to, mountains, plates, ridges, etc...) that most YE's advocate is, mechanical engineer, Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory. Dr. Brown's entire book is available for free online and accessed through that link.

Most old-Earther's believe the flood was local and the Bible [when properly translated] describes it as such.

See:

The Genesis Flood: Why the Bible Says It Must be Local (from: Godandscience.org)

and

Rapid Post-Flood Speciation: A Critique of the Young-Earth Model (from: Reasons.org)

5. Is Irreducible complexity really a valid argument? Is there really anything that is Irreducible complexity?

Yes. Yes. (see my last post)

5 simple questions. And if you answer using a bias'ed source i must assume you are unable to read.

You're clever. How's that been working for ya?

To aswer me these 5 questions you creationists must know, you need to look it up in scientific sources, do this for me, and will give you a BIIG hug

Most of the arguments on these sites have the refs. used to draw their conclusions... Do you read/understand the scientific literature wrt these topics otherwise?

Regards,
-Rren

(edit)Fixed a link and spelling.

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