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Originally posted by Shane
Now, we will dwell on Cain, and his decendants, but it would not be fair, if we did not consider Genesis 6, for a few moments.
6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
From here, there is some remarks of God being qrieved he made man, and his intent on destroying what had become of the Recreation.
All of the small and off the cuff sort of problems of man, 'the wickedness of man' was great in the earth, and that 'every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually', along with the Occurance in the Garden, are all the effect of Satan. (We will be addressing this in time)
So, we have the Sons of God coming and taking the Daughter of men and creating Giants, Men of Renown, (such as Hercules, the offspring of a god and a daughter of man). Mighty men which were of old (the time before the flood). Greek, Romans, Babylonians, Philistines, Sumerian, Egyptians, all have the lore in respects to both the Sons of God, who came and took the daughters of man. There is nothing new, in repects to any of these ancient teaching, regardless of what the origin is. The Fallen, lead by Satan.
It is with this as a backdrop, that we move onto Cain for a bit. We may need a refresher, so we'll review this.
And Cain, what does his name mean? The Hebrew notes, Qayin as a Noun, the name of the first child. It is the same word as qayin, from root quwn, that, in the originaly sense meant fixity: A lance (as striking fast) a Spear. Quwn means to strike, as a musical note, Chant or Wail, as at a funeral
Not mentioned, in the above is a note, in the Strong's Concordance
Cain See also Tubal-Cain. Hmmmm
This is refered in in the Geneology of Cain.
So lets review that now.
4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Interesting, Cain, in Chapter four moves further east from the Garden of Edin, I mean Eden, (its that freudian slip thing). Finds a Wife in the land of Nod, (Where this is, is complete speculation), and his first Son is Enoch. He builds a City and names it Enoch, and then the Generations follow, thru 6 (SIX the number of Man), to Lamech who, as co-incidence has it, would have been the same time when Jared, of the decendants of Adam was born. The Sixth (6 the number of Man) Generation from Adam.
We need to move from the Bible for a moment, and draw attention to that Sixth Generation. Lamech, a descendant of Cain, and Jared a descendant of Adam.
This Sixth Generation has an importance, It is my understanding, back to the basis of this Topic, that Fallen with their leader Satan influenced our Common History we have amassed today. When this occured, maybe found in the Book of Enoch
6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
We'll pickup on this shortly, but maybe take the time to read Chapters 6 thru 11 of Enoch. It's not a lot to review. We'll be here for a short time anyways, if you wish to wait.
We'll also review what these names of Cain decendants mean, since as I noted, they are family with the Fallen.
Adam and Eve, as the story goes, is dated through geneology to have started some 6000 or 7000 years ago depending on interpetation, I personally believe a closer date would be 6600 BC
Originally posted by ka0s69
"Adam knew eve and she concieved and gave birth to Cain"
Secondly Eve was created by God
Thirdly your theory about the 6th day man is quite far fetched. God created man on the sixth day.
I find it hard to believe that satan was allowed to have children. Especially with Eve.
Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and 'let them' have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Originally posted by Osbert
There is however no mention of Lilith, the other Eve.
In the First Verse of the First Chapter of the Five Books of the Holy Law: it is written:
B'RAShIT Ba RA ALoHIM ATh HaShaMaIM VaATh HaAReTZ
These are the Seven words that Constitute the Beginnings or Heads of One Law.
They roughly translate:
In the Beginning created The Elohim the essence of the Heavens and the Essence of the Earth.
There isn't to my knowledge any similar frase in the King James Bible,
Genesis 1:1 In the Begining, God created the Heavens and the Earth.
Originally posted by Funkydung
you are correct. the creation of adam was around 7000 years ago. this would put us in the 7th day, the last day.
Originally posted by The Water Man
Here is my take on this issue and excuse me if this has already been covered.
The Water Man
PS Check this website out.......
The Serpent Seedline: Edomite Jews and the Sons of Cain
By Sherry Shriner
There are several deceptions in the churches today and one of the most dominant is that Zionism is of the Lord, Zionism means Israel, and we are to protect Israel because those who bless Israel are blessed by the Lord, and those who curse Israel are cursed by the Lord. His words about blessing and cursing Israel are very true, but who is Israel? Is Zionism Israel today?
Most Christians hear the word Zionism and think of Jerusalem. And it was a clever ploy of those who worship Satan to confuse the terminology of their political agendas to lull the people to sleep and get them to agree to their policies because they sound good. Zionism is a political agenda, but when Christians hear it they think of Biblical Zion and Jerusalem.
Originally posted by UnrealZA
One misreading of Scripture and everything after that is tainted.
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
The phrase which gives us the contextual meaning to this "mystery" is found in "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days..."
Which "days" are these? Well we have already read about "those days" in verses 1 and 2....
ENOCH CHAPTER VI.
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.
2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
So the "Nephilim" were already on the earth in "those days" that the "sons of God" took for themselves wives. So the Nephilim were NOT the result of angels, fallen or otherwise, having relations with earthly women.
Secondly, demons do not have physical bodies. No where in Scripture do we see a demon take on physical flesh. It may be argued that demons can and have possesed people so this is how they fathered children with women. This arguement fails when one deeps thinkly and logically about it. Yes, a demon can possess a person BUT whos sperm would it be, the demons or the persons? Angels were not created to have offspring. To argue otherwise it must be a forced interpretation.
Third, why would demons, enemies of God, do something which God desires, that being "marriage", instead of just raping women? Why marry them?
Lastly, but by no means a final arguement, Jesus states that angels do not marry.
The context of this statement made by Jesus was in reply to the Sadducees who deny the resurrection. They sought to trap Jesus so they asked Him a trick question of sorts about a certain women whos husband had died. She was, according to custom, given to the surviving brother who then also died so she was given to the next brother and so on until she died also. The Saaducees then asked whos wife will she be in the resurrection seeing as how she was the wife of them all?
30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
So, again angels were not created for marriage or procreation. Satan cannot father children for he has no sexual organs, no sperm and no physical body for he is a spiritual being.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the first story comes from pre-abrahemic henetheistic jewish tradition in which there were more gods than 1 (hence god refers to godself in the plural, but in fact is referring to a group of gods)
the second story is more recent
Originally posted by The Water Man
When reading about Noah, it helps us to interpret the question "why was he saved?"
He was chosen to survive for one reason, he was perfect in his generations. Thus begging the question, why?
This must then be the main reason for saving Noah. And if it is then it has to do with genetics. I think this logic clearifies there was a problem with Adamic man mixing with other than Adamic man.
If this is the main problem and scripture says it will be like this again, guess what?
Before I go I would like to engage on something mentioned earlier. And that is, nothing I've read (as far as I can recall) said that fallen angels married any Adamic decended woman but rather just "took" them.
The story is quite clear that all hell broke loose between verse one and verse two of Genesis one. Everything was perfect then it wasn't. Clearly there was something before Adamic man, on earth.
Finally, when reading a passage seperately we would also be mistaken to interpret it to have totally exclusive meanings unless otherwise stated. And sometimes when then allowed to not be exclusive becomes a mute point anyway.
These are stimulating discussions and certainly give rise to the fact that most "churches" would not know how to handle these type of discussions.
Originally posted by Shar
I just read everything you posted, however if im reading what you said correctly you believe the floods did not cover the whole earth. However, in the kjv of the bible genesis chapter 7-21 on says ALL flesh died upon the earth. it did not say only the flesh in certain area and not other area it said upon the earth. what am i missing here.
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