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John Lear's theory regarding the "Soul Collector"

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posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by kolo_heights

Could you expand on that at all, where these hot and colds spots are? Are there more hot then cold or vice versa?


Like Antarctica, and Neptune for cold spots not going to mention the hot spots.


Why would that be too much information?


If I mentioned on this thread that a certain place harbored ET activity a few people might show up at that location---and there are people and ETs that would be upset with me. That’s why they keep the lights on at Area 51---to draw attention away from other places.

If you go to Antarctica and find something by accident you will die of frostbite.




posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Telayliean

Afraid of mere mortals?


Sleeper,

I mean no disrespect...but some of your answers have me wondering. Are you human? Or are you one of the Teachers?


I work cheap, kind of like teachers



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by tomra


Sleeper, or John, if i may ask a question...am i right in assuming that all this "tech" knowledge of alien species, the moon, antenna and "soul collectors" etc. is not really relavant since it really has nothing to do with our purpose here? If i understand Sleeper right it´s more an issue of living, learning, loving, caring, empathy and in general getting in touch with our spiritual side as well as the energies that are life in itself, yes?



That is the bottom line, everything else is window dressing.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Question to Sleeper

Does the soul retain its consciousness through out this process? In the "soul state" does it know where its been, where its going and why?


There is a period of disorientation for all souls upon death. The duration of confusion depends on your destination, moving up it decreases until you become completely aware---a few earth hours to a few earth days. Those moving down or sideways remain in total confusion until they are placed into new bodies---sideways usually baby bodies. Down it can be anything---I’m not going to get specific.


And does it have any choice at all at that time?


Most souls coming from earth don’t.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by sleeper
NASA drags their feet because firstly it’s a government bureaucracy, and secondly because they fear ETs, and they kowtow to certain elements of extraterrestrials. Not all ETs are in agreement on how much leash to give humans concerning space exploration.


There are a lot of companies here in the US and around the world literally on the doorstep of runnng passenger trips to space. Virgin Galactic, Bigalow Aerospace. I asked John and he indicated that it wouldn't be allowed to happen.

I would like to here your opinion on this



Humans are going into space, but there are those like I mentioned that will attempt to slow things down. The many probes we sent to Mars the last few years were intentionally knocked out by ETs.

Many structures have to be decommissioned and removed from the moon and Mars before humans get to go there in significant numbers.

Space hotels will pacify the curiosity of space enthusiasts and at the same time allow for scenery changes to take place on the moon, Mars and in orbit around earth.



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 04:17 AM
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Thank you Sleeper, very interesting answers. I will go read those 107 pages now...



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 06:53 AM
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Okay so what if I die on Mars? Does my soul float up to Phobos or Deimos?

Also, why would aliens blow up satellites to Mars but not blow up satellites to the moon/any progressions into space rather than removing their facilities? It doesn't make sense.

[edit on 15-7-2006 by CidCaldensfey]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
Okay so what if I die on Mars? Does my soul float up to Phobos or Deimos?



No, it doesn’t matter where you die, your immediate destination point is determined at moment of death. Decent folk break free of this solar system---the big house. The rest are sent to detention centers in various places in this solar system, some go straight back to earth---where a hand slaps their new hiney and the cycle of pain begins anew.




Also, why would aliens blow up satellites to Mars but not blow up satellites to the moon/any progressions into space rather than removing their facilities? It doesn't make sense.


They didn’t blow them up they only cut the sparkplug wires. There are more things on Mars than on the moon. Humans who make it to Mars are in for a big surprise---same with the moon. But what happens on Mars stays on Mars---humans on earth will not get the same disclosure.

Not sure how much of the moon they are going to clean up, but those who get to go to the moon will know that ET is running the show.

Has anything ever made sense?



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 10:43 AM
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Hey Sleeper its proving logical to me, but I have a few specific questions if you wouldn't mind entering your input. There is a lot and I'd be extremely grateful if you answered them all to the best of your knowledge...

- As far as I have attained, you mention that good people escape the solar system entering a higher plain of enlightenment, while bad people (a##holes you specifically said!) remain in the solar system. I'd just like some clarity on these points.

- In our first 'soul cycle' on this planet, what is the highest plain of enlightenment we can achieve? Is the sky our limit?-or not for this matter!, or do we have set 'ceilings' which we can only achieve at each cycle?

- Can you outlay each stage of enlightenment? (from our first soul cycle to our last-for an average human being) How many cycles does it take a average human (one who leads a normal, pro-active life) to reach the 'top'?

- Can you clarify specifically what the top is?

- You mentioned that a##holes remain in this solar system, could you answer these points regarding it:

> What do you mean by a##holes? people who rape, pillage and plunder? Or people who simply dont leave a pro-active life? Throughout societies development it has been considered the norm to do things which we now percieve as inhumane. Does ET take into account the development of society when 'judging' your soul, or is it a fixed, solid set of standards they abide to?

> A scenario for you: Nazi Germany, one of the soldiers under Hitlers regime claims that he killed many people because he was following orders. Following these orders ensured the safety of himself and his family from probable death.Even though his actions were inhumane, he knew what Hitler was doing was wrong but keep quiet for the sake of his life and his friends/families.The man has the realisitic choices of either carrying out his orders, commiting suicide or standing up against Hitler's regime, which would lead to automatic death for him and his family.

- What is the 'right' choice?
- How would ET judge this man?
- Does ET have regimes in place for extra-sensitive cases like these?

Expanding on this point:

> Where do you envision the likes of Mother Teresa to be, compared to the likes of Hitler?

> You mentioned that a##holes are reallocated back on Earth (apologies but is it just on Earth? what other planets on the solar system can 'bad' people be placed on?) Eitherway I'm a little confused as to how putting bad people in harder positions is pro-active, or maybe that isnt ET's concerns, heres my point:

- Say for example a man who murdered, stole and was of a oppressive nature is reallocated in 3rd World Africa, where children are dying every minute from disease. Unfortunately he is one of the many who die in their childhood, how does ET judge his soul? He has been reallocated to conditions where he cannot amend his previous wrong doing and progress...

Closing points therefore:

> You said it may take days, if not weeks for a soul to be instilled in a human. What happens if the human (a baby at the time) dies before his/her soul is implanted?

> Furthermore is a baby dies during childbirth, how can ET judge their soul? What happens to them? Do they move sideways rather then up or down? Or was their death pre-destined?

> One dies for what they geniunely believe is right, though it is very wrong. Does ET not progress this person?

> A man kills one person to save hundreds, how does ET judge this person?

> You mentioned to me previously that there are hot and cold spots on this planet, though were not prepared to reveal the hot spots. Without being specific, could you give locations of these hotspots, be it countries or vast areas, specifically in the case of England? (Believe me I have better things to do then to go chasing around the Earth for something which arguably dont exist!)

> Is there any information you have requested off ET which they have denied to tell you? If so, what? Anything that left you curious?

I know its pratically an essay but I'd be very grateful if you answered all the questions to the best of your knowledge...

Be it true, false or somewhere in the middle, I hope one day I might be able to share your experiences with you

Kolo

[edit on 15-7-2006 by kolo_heights]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by kolo_heights
Hey Sleeper its proving logical to me, but I have a few specific questions if you wouldn't mind entering your input. There is a lot and I'd be extremely grateful if you answered them all to the best of your knowledge...

- As far as I have attained, you mention that good people escape the solar system entering a higher plain of enlightenment, while bad people (a##holes you specifically said!) remain in the solar system. I'd just like some clarity on these points.


We are all a-holes at one time or other but those that make it a career are the ones I speak of.




- In our first 'soul cycle' on this planet, what is the highest plain of enlightenment we can achieve? Is the sky our limit?-or not for this matter!, or do we have set 'ceilings' which we can only achieve at each cycle?


It’s like grade school we have first grade and so forth. There are infinite levels of learning.



- Can you outlay each stage of enlightenment? (from our first soul cycle to our last-for an average human being) How many cycles does it take a average human (one who leads a normal, pro-active life) to reach the 'top'?


The very top is beyond comprehension by the ETs on this plane of existence.


What do you mean by a##holes? people who rape, pillage and plunder? Or people who simply dont leave a pro-active life? Throughout societies development it has been considered the norm to do things which we now percieve as inhumane. Does ET take into account the development of society when 'judging' your soul, or is it a fixed, solid set of standards they abide to?


Selfish, hateful, and envious people will not move up.



A scenario for you: Nazi Germany, one of the soldiers under Hitlers regime claims that he killed many people because he was following orders. Following these orders ensured the safety of himself and his family from probable death.Even though his actions were inhumane, he knew what Hitler was doing was wrong but keep quiet for the sake of his life and his friends/families.The man has the realisitic choices of either carrying out his orders, commiting suicide or standing up against Hitler's regime, which would lead to automatic death for him and his family.

- What is the 'right' choice?
- How would ET judge this man?
- Does ET have regimes in place for extra-sensitive cases like these?




What people do outwardly doesn’t count---we can’t hide our true motivations, the things in our hearts is what is looked at, and makes us what we are, and determines where we go.





Where do you envision the likes of Mother Teresa to be, compared to the likes of Hitler?


Both of them were not human, they were not here to learn, they had jobs to do.

Mother Teresa was a teacher of compassion and piety, Hitler was the face of extreme hatred and envy that infected certain nations after the insanity of the First World War




> You mentioned that a##holes are reallocated back on Earth (apologies but is it just on Earth? what other planets on the solar system can 'bad' people be placed on?) Eitherway I'm a little confused as to how putting bad people in harder positions is pro-active, or maybe that isnt ET's concerns, heres my point:


There are many other planets in the galaxy that are similar to earth, and sometimes souls are sent there, and many souls from around the galaxy are sent here.


Why do we put people into prisons? Not necessarily for rehabilitation, but for punishment and to store them away---for other processes.

Most people are forgiven for their acts, but they still have to do the time.




- Say for example a man who murdered, stole and was of a oppressive nature is reallocated in 3rd World Africa, where children are dying every minute from disease. Unfortunately he is one of the many who die in their childhood, how does ET judge his soul? He has been reallocated to conditions where he cannot amend his previous wrong doing and progress...



If his or her sentence is for only a few months then they die and come back to earth with perhaps a little better opportunity.

Nothing happens by accident or by chance---those are illusions.






You said it may take days, if not weeks for a soul to be instilled in a human. What happens if the human (a baby at the time) dies before his/her soul is implanted?



A soul is not assigned to a baby that is dieing.




Furthermore is a baby dies during childbirth, how can ET judge their soul? What happens to them? Do they move sideways rather then up or down? Or was their death pre-destined?


No soul there to be judged.




One dies for what they geniunely believe is right, though it is very wrong. Does ET not progress this person?


They know everyone’s motives for everything.




A man kills one person to save hundreds, how does ET judge this person?


Appropriately.




You mentioned to me previously that there are hot and cold spots on this planet, though were not prepared to reveal the hot spots. Without being specific, could you give locations of these hotspots, be it countries or vast areas, specifically in the case of England? (Believe me I have better things to do then to go chasing around the Earth for these something which arguably doesnt exist!)



Curiosity killed the cat, some things need to remain covert




Is there any information you have requested off ET which they have denied to tell you? If so, what? Anything that left you curious?


Many things but since they haven’t answered them, at least not yet, I’m going to hold off disclosing them.


Going out of town for a few days, not sure I will have a chance to log on, so until then have fun---



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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Whats very interesting is your theories match almost identically the ideals of Buddhism (my religion.)

Guess he got it right after all. Go Siddharta.



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 02:45 PM
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I'll agree with wolf that sleeper's thoughts are very akin to Buddhism.


That doesn't mean every single thing he says has to be true, sure; but I do pick up on a overall positive and caring outlook regarding sleeper and his beliefs.


Just adding my $0.02 to wolf's thoughts.



positive stuff

X



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar
Whats very interesting is your theories match almost identically the ideals of Buddhism (my religion.)

Guess he got it right after all. Go Siddharta.


Interesting... your the first to make that comment that I have seen


At least the parts about rebirth and karma... not convinced about the aliens yet though... but then there were a lot of flying ships in those old scriptures....


To Sleeper

Why now? Other than the fact that man is going to be showing a big presence over the next 20 years in near space, why reveal all this now? If it was just the space trips, the cleanup of the moon etc would be enough. Mars trips is still some time away even at the rate we are progressing.

Is there some other reason to reveal all this now? [I'll wait till your back from your trip]

If a group were to work on some other form of energy, say for arguments sake, anti grav technology, provided they survive past our own governments zeal to control or squash such developments, would ET allow this to progress?

[edit on 15-7-2006 by zorgon]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar
Whats very interesting is your theories match almost identically the ideals of Buddhism (my religion.)

Guess he got it right after all. Go Siddharta.

It would've been interesting to know Mr Gautama's opinion on the following quotes from a nice old thread:



Originally posted by sleeper
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The Left-wing is terrified that if the word got out on how well Capitalism and democracy works that their barbaric Socialistic ideas would never fly. (..snip)


(..snip)
American does have its dark side we called them Liberals or left-wingers, they are the "fly-in-the-soup" the "Chicken littles" who see only the bad in every thing, and when they find something good, like flies in the soup they spoil it.(..snip)


(..snip)
Who the heck would want to live in cold miserable places like Canada, unless they were running away from the draft or something else?

Canadians can be forgiven for hating Americans----Americans have it 100 times better than Canadians-----I understand your pain----and more so your envy.(..snip)


Plenty more where that came from...

Tell me sleeper. Does this soul collector distinguish between this "evil" that is socialist/left-wing and that wich is capitalist/right wing?



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 05:22 PM
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Dang button.





[edit on 15-7-2006 by Xatnys]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 05:24 PM
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Sleeper,

In reading your 110 page thread(yeah I read it all), I noticed you said that Astral Projection was granted as a gift to people by the ET. So I wanted you to read this:



The Astral - Is it really that safe?

Here's a summary of Astral and the realm of Hyperspace.

In the physical universe, in this current reality, the universe is in the shape of a toroid within a toroid within a toroid, going into eternity. This way the shape of the universe has not beginning nor end.

Here's how the universe looks like:

www.scienceofcompassion.com...

What this composes of are 3 realms in the physical universe. The 'emptiness' inside the toroids are physical reality. The walls of the toroid is the Astral realm, and the 'hole' in the toroid is called Hyperspace.

ASTRAL:

The astral realm is not really a safe place to be in. In the lower levels of the astral realms, there are negative entities that occupy this space. As well as secret government control. Going into the astral is dangerous, and you can become 'trapped'. Eventually the body dieing due to being 'away' from the body for so long.

The higher levels of the astral are very similar to physical reality with laws of physics still apply yet different in ways unknown. In the higher levels of the astral, the soul enters this realm at point of death. The soul of the person then looks at the events that passed through the current lifestream. It then decides whether it needs to experience physical reality again, to re-incarnate on earth or elsewhere to further experience.

HYPERSPACE
Hyperspace is the realm of god-mind. This realm consists of colours/tones/archetypes and is pure energy. It has no time nor space. Your pineal gland is in constant communication with Hyperspace. When you sleep, your mind experiences Hyperspace, yet the left brain before waking doesn't understand 'no space or time' or what the symbols/colours/tones represents so it forms a pictographic view of its experience.

Hyperspace is also the realm where the USS Eldridge of the Philedelphia project went to.

Hyperspace entry can be achieved simply by doing simple mental exercises. Its not an OBE experience, you are still in physical reality and experience physical reality when entering hyperspace, but you will receive remarkable information if you do the right things.


Taken from here.

Anyway, I wondered if you could give me your view on that quote.

Is that a good description of the universe?


Is that fairly accurate about hyperspace?


Is there secret governent control by your estimation?


Do souls get put into lower realms such as the lower realms touched upon above?



Anyway, just curious.



X

[edit on 15-7-2006 by Xatnys]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 07:03 PM
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Xatnys, no. That is the product of too many mushrooms.


Durden, good work. We have a pretender in our ranks.

[edit on 15/7/06 by SteveR]



posted on Jul, 15 2006 @ 07:39 PM
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I appreciate your opinion, but really want to see Sleeper's take on it.





Mushrooms or not.



X



posted on Jul, 16 2006 @ 06:06 PM
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Okay I just read the whole 13 pages of this thread. I think this is what is being said. There is this picture that came from the moon that was discovered by Richard C. Hoagland. Second, there was a remote viewing session where someone saw someone ascending toward the moon when they died. John Lear made the leap and stated the very improbable possibility that the two are connected and that the tower is where the soul goes. Then comes this guy named sleeper who knows even more about it than John and has answers to everybody's questions about it. He knows all this stuff because he is in regular contact with ET's and has even been on their ships like Fred Bell or somebody. Am I understanding this correctly?



posted on Jul, 16 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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Nearly. John made the connection because the remote viewer was being warned away because it was not his time. The photo doesn't come from the moon, it is of the moon.

John has credibility because of who he is. Sleeper has credibility because John believes him.

None of this is fact, a leap of faith is required. The size of the leap depends on your own belief.


[edit on 16/7/06 by Prote]



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