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President Bush to Militarize Border?

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posted on May, 14 2006 @ 08:56 PM
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With sagging poll numbers, it is speculated that President Bush will foreword a plan this week that includes provisions for the use of National Guard troops. While not without support, there are many in Washington concerned with the status of the U.S. National Guard. Many of these troops have been assigned multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 



www.forbes.com
A White House official said Bush would propose using troops as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up its resources. The troops would play a supportive role to Border Patrol agents, who would maintain primary responsibility for physically guarding the border.

The official spoke on a condition of anonymity before the address Monday at 8 p.m. EST. The official would not say how many troops Bush wanted to use, except that it would be in the thousands but less than an estimate of as many as 10,000 being discussed at the Pentagon.


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The Bush administration made a bold power play this Sunday. Using leaks by a White House insider, the Bush White House made an apparent move to control the on-going debate on illegal immigration. The Bush administration is desperate to improve it's weakening public support numbers. The President is expected to layout his plan for border security during his Monday evening address, 20:00 EST (08:00pm).

His proposal is expected to encounter heavy opposition from Democrats. The DNC already smells blood in the water as the Presidents approval numbers hit all-time lows. With the upcoming mid-term elections in November, the Republican Party is desperate to regain their political base.

This proposal will undoubtedly affect the United States relationship with Mexico. President Vicente Fox has spared no words in his opposition to any heavy handed tactics by the U.S. to secure their border.


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[edit on 14-5-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]




posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:26 PM
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When President Bush actually starts to penalize the companys that hire illegal aliens; I'll believe he is serious about border security. Other wise this is just a transparent attempt to stop his plummeting poll numbers.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:30 PM
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He's a FRIGGIN IDIOT! I can't believe he would even consider sending NATIONAL GUARD to a full-time duty of patrolling the border. THESE PEOPLE HAVE JOBS

GEORGE!

They are employeed people on standby FOR NATIONAL EMERGENCIES! A Mexican making it over the Rio Grande IS NOT A NATIONAL EMERGENCY!

Let's take working Americans out of their jobs and send them down to the border - financially strapping them, their families and their employers - to make sure Mexicans who are willing to do lower-paying jobs that most Americans DON'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE...don't get any of the pie!

God help us all.

FRIGGIN IDIOT!



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:36 PM
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val,

It seems to me that it is a better use of our national guard to "GUARD OUR NATIONS BORDERS" then to fight in a war in Iraq.
Remember, it is the federal gov's job to control our national borders.
It would be the smartest move george has made since coming into officce-IMO!

It is about time that someone stops the flood of illegals invading this country.

Remember, every illegal that comes here is a spit in the face of every LEGAL alien that has come to this great country.

What do they think makes them better than everyone else that they don't have to follow the laws of this nation.

I FULLY agree, employers of illegals should face "federal" charges and manditory jail time for every count.

Also we need to change the law that illegals that invade the us have to take their illegal children home with them. that will discourage all the pregnent illegals from trying to cross the boarder so much.



[edit on 5/14/2006 by mrmonsoon]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:36 PM
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Hehe well put Valhall!!


This is obviously an atempt to bolster support.

It's not hard to figure out.

Fill the press with stories of how all of a sudden illegal immegration is a national threat, rile up the population and then offer a solution...

America has a very long history of illegal immigration, nothing has changed other than the medias focus.

Don't believe the bush1te! They don't give a damn about illegal immigrants or our security.

[edit on 14/5/2006 by ANOK]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:37 PM
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posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by XphilesPhan
This thread exists here

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mods please close this one


Wait...Why should they. There are supposed to be duplication between ATS and ATSNN.



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Thanks for just jumping in a demanding my Work closed off.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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Is that not why they are the NATIONAL Guard?

I fully support this



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Is that not why they are the NATIONAL Guard?

I fully support this


No, "that's not why they are the NATIONAL Guard". They are NOT on-call to guard the price of your friggin strawberries.

This is the STUPIDEST thing I've ever seen in my life.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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How do I add XphilesPhan's thread to the story.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by semperfortis
Is that not why they are the NATIONAL Guard?

I fully support this


No, "that's not why they are the NATIONAL Guard". They are NOT on-call to guard the price of your friggin strawberries.

This is the STUPIDEST thing I've ever seen in my life.



No they are on call for NATIONAL Defense and Disaster! I think a flood of illegal immigrants that other government agencies are under maned to handle.

and they dont pick strawberries you friggin stereotyping bigot, I suggest you take such comments else where valhall.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by XphilesPhan


and they dont pick strawberries you friggin stereotyping bigot, I suggest you take such comments else where valhall.


Well you just suggest away and watch me stay right here..k!

Yes, Mexicans pick strawberries and a lot of other migrant farming work, they do low-skill construction work, they work in meat processing plants. They do the work that a LOT of Americans DON'T WANT TO DO.

And at the same time, those Americans who think they are above working those hard-labor, low-skill, low-paying jobs WANT TO PAY CENTS FOR THEIR STRAWBERRIES. Which leads the employer to hire the lowest wage person willing to do the job he can find!

This is not national security. And what a disgusting stereotypical move that is for some one wanting to push a fear-mongering issue on an election year. Let's see - two years ago it was that all the gay marriages were going to destroy us!

NOW IT'S THE STRAWBERRY PICKERS!

Sell your wares to some one on opiates. I've got clear eyes.

[edit on 5-14-2006 by Valhall]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:34 PM
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Seems to be some racial tension here.

Be that as it may, no nation can just open it's borders to any incursion because a few (possibly) well meaning sycophants say so. It is not only the "strawberry issue, no matter how you may want to simplify it to suit your argument.
It is the driving without a license, without insurance. The health care that I pay for out of my taxes. The not paying taxes issue is one as well.

We are a sovereign nation last time I checked and we have the right to defend our borders. The National Guard is the organization that is best suited and prepared for that duty. You may not like that, but it is what it is.

Cry for the Illegals all that you want to. They are not IMMIGRANTS, they are simple criminals. Regardless of their motivations, they break the law coming here and now want, DEMAND, that our Government recognizes them! What AUDACITY, what ARROGANCE, What a ridiculous idea.
They are people that have committed a crime coming here, hence CRIMINALS and should be treated as such.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Seems to be some racial tension here.

Be that as it may, no nation can just open it's borders to any incursion because a few (possibly) well meaning sycophants say so. It is not only the "strawberry issue, no matter how you may want to simplify it to suit your argument.
It is the driving without a license, without insurance. The health care that I pay for out of my taxes. The not paying taxes issue is one as well.


You're going to pay for the health care either way. Because the AMERICAN strawberry pickers are not only going to demand higher wages, they are going to demand benefits. And so will the construction workers and the meat plant workers and the housekeepers. You're not getting out of anything here. You're stepping into it.



We are a sovereign nation last time I checked and we have the right to defend our borders.


BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Defend our borders from what? Mexican workers? GIVE ME A BREAK.



The National Guard is the organization that is best suited and prepared for that duty. You may not like that, but it is what it is.


WRONG WRONG WRONG. No they are not. You know who is the best equipped? The forces stationed over in Germany. Germany doesn't want them there in the first place. The forces stationed in South Korea where they get pelted with rocks and met with picket signs to get out.

National Guardsmen HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS. They are not here to GUARD AGAINST YOU PAYING FOR SOME ONE GETTING DECENT HEALTH CARE.

Absolutely INDICATIVE of what the root cause is here - GREED - I WANT THE EASY LIFE PLEASE! JUST BLAME IT ON THE OTHER PERSON, LET ME HAVE ALL MY MONEY AND LET THEM EAT CAKE!



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:53 PM
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Oh! And while I'm getting to keep my money, eat my cheap strawberries and laugh about the destitution of the "other nations" I want some one else to leave their good-paying job and stand at the border while their family suffers financially, the company they work for juggles positions and EVERYBODY ELSE gets their lives turned upside down...

because I'M SPECIAL! I'M AN AMERICAN!



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:57 PM
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I haven't seen you this worked up Val for quite a while--give em hell. I fully agree with you on this issue (actually a non issue turned into a political football for obvious reasons).



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:58 PM
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Well now, that made absolutely no sense what so ever.

A little ranting going a short way?

NO, benifits are most often paid by the employer. Will most of us pay more for our strawberries (You keep using that analogy for who knows why? But to keep you from foaming again. I will too) if we can keep our borders safe? Well DUH...

Not sure how to respond to the rest, I couldn't quite get the rationality out of it.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Astronomer70
I haven't seen you this worked up Val for quite a while--give em hell. I fully agree with you on this issue (actually a non issue turned into a political football for obvious reasons).


EXACTLY! A political football in which our OMNISCIENT Leader is now suggesting taking men and women with full-time jobs, who were honorable and committed enough to stand ready in case of a national emergency, and PUT THEM FULL-TIME STANDING IN THE DESERT...

to do nothing but MAKE THE FOOTBALL LOOK BIGGER AND BIGGER.

This is THE (bar none) STUPIDEST suggestion I've ever seen a presidnet make in my adult life. I'm floored (and other people want to talk about the free health care the illegal aliens are getting - sigh - WTF-ever).



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 11:05 PM
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Benefits are paid by the employer--that's a good one. I believe it is we, the purchasers of whatever products that actually pay any benefits.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 11:07 PM
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Yeah, that was a beauty. Like they just eat it. Guess who is going to pay the health care (ALL benefit costs) for housekeepers and migrant workers when AMERICANS (who deserve SO MUCH MORE) start working those jobs...

THE TAXPAYER. Hello NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

Be careful what you deploy for.



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