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reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 08:42 AM by jtma508
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about 'free energy'. And if you spend a little time on the Hydrogen Technologies website you'll find that the inventor, Denny Klein, believes his 'Aquygen' (HHO) isn't the end solution but a transitional technology. He has two prototype vehicles that were retrofitted with his system that provide HHOS on-demand and fed into a standard internal combustion engine through the existing intake system. The vehicles required additional storage batteries and a higher-output alternator to supply the HHOS system with the required power. His early trials yielded 50% increases in gas mileage.

Test Trials of HHOS

For discussion purposes lets assume what Mr. Klein states on his company's website is reasonably accurate. The important aspect is that this technology can increase gas mileage by at least 50% and can be retrofitted to existing internal combustion engines. The US consumes about 20 million barrels of oil every day with about half of that (10M Bbl) being consumed as gasoline. We import about half of our oil from outside the Western Hemisphere and about 20% (4M Bbl) from the Middle East.

This technology could reduce our consumption of gasoline by 50% or 4M Bbl --- 80% of our Middle East imports. This would drive prices of oil down (reduced demand) and mitigate a good deal of the Middle East's power.

I know, I know.... this is still fledgling technology but free energy or not it, and similar technologies, could have a significant stabilising effect on the economy and significantly reduce pollution.


reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 09:32 AM by Aelita
Originally posted by jumpspace
Why is it that a lot of people on this site are actually very ignorant sometimes?


Exactly the question I keep asking myself when I read posts like yours!


"Can't get out more than you put in". OK, answer this one:
What happens if you split a single water molecule and then link it to the ocean?
Do we get more energy out than we put in?


What happens when every single molecule in your brain is remotely linked to every single molecule of THC in Detroit? Are you going to get high at a distance?

Sorry, but you pose a nonsensical question. You don't even specify the nature of the "link to the ocean". It's water, so it must have a magic link to the ocean, right?


2) Using resonance to break the bond (very efficient)...think "resonance tanks" here too.

It's all about resonance and looking at the boundaries of "the conservation of energy"!


Or no... You keep saying that resonanse somehow allows one to work around the conservation of energy -- you mentioned the "boundaries" of this law of physics.

[yawn]

I have also said this before on this site: where do electrons "mysteriously" go as atomic physicists have pointed out?


Not sure what mystery you are referring to.


Could this be another "dimension" that we don't know about? If we can link to this "dimension", could we tap something we are too ignorant to even think about?


It could be that the alien overlord Zudu, who floats in molten magma beneath the Hymalayas, is willing to supply the Earth population with Duracell batteries for another 200 years. There is, indeed, such possibility.

Just saying "oh, maybe there is another dimension" is - speculation at best. And no, it does not support the claim that somebody drove a car across the states using nothing but a bucket of water.


Let's be a bit more open on some of these matters. Remember the motto:

"Deny Igorance"


I followed this motto all my life and got a decent education in physics. I cordially invite you to invest at least 10 years into doing same, then you'll be better equipped to talk about resonance and how we can tap into other dimensions. Cheers.


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reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 10:09 AM by pepsi78
Okay let's stop this thing with " it will produce less than it inputs"

For the device to work you need electicity and water, okay water in not the problem, many think it's insuficent electicity which is not the case.
A car can produce electicity suficent enough to produce the fuel.

external source
www.1stconnect.com...

When modified, auto alternators can provide variable direct current at 0 to 120 volts for battery charging, hot charging, light arc welding, or for running AC-DC appliances and lights. Another simple modification provides AC power to run some transformer-operated appliances. If you know the secrets of its operation and the modifications possible, the small low-cost alternator can become a versatile power plant.

120 volts are more than enough to run the car, 120 volts can provide power to the device that produces oxigen and hidrogen for the engine.
If an electic motor can run a car for 8 hours or even more than what I ask is , does the device that provides hidrogen and oxigen consume more than an electic motor, the answer would be no.

Most of the comemnts made that it produces less were fueld by oil commpanys, because if the tecnology got out on the market they would go bankrupt.

The alternator can produce suficent power to sustain the device.
I would put 2 alternators with 2 baterys
1 alternator with a separate battery to the wheels so when to wheels spin it provides extra power and no extra resistance is put on the engine, the alternator will spin easy on the wheels puting no resistance to the motion of the wheels because of the mass of the weels in motion, when the car's engine is started the car is usualy in motinon and usualy it's not in motin for a short period of time, stops, red lights, ecetera, and the main alternator of course, I would link them to 1 battery even better 1 biger battery.
This sistem can run independent, no hibrid car is needed, oil can be eliminated forever, and people that run oil companys can go do something else for a living in stead of robing people and making milions.
Who dares chalange me I want to see an explenation , and I will come up with how much power is needed to run the proccessor that spits the oxigen and hidrogen from the water.


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reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 10:30 AM by LazarusTheLong
Originally posted by pepsi78

1 alternator with a separate battery to the wheels so when to wheels spin it provides extra power and no extra resistance is put on the engine, the alternator will spin easy on the wheels puting no resistance to the motion of the wheels because of the mass of the weels in motion, when the car's engine is started the car is usualy in motinon and usualy it's not in motin for a short period of time, stops, red lights, ecetera, and the main alternator of course, I would link them to 1 battery even better 1 biger battery.
This sistem can run independent, no hibrid car is needed, oil can be eliminated forever, and people that run oil companys can go do something else for a living in stead of robing people and making milions.
Who dares chalange me I want to see an explenation , and I will come up with how much power is needed to run the proccessor that spits the oxigen and hidrogen from the water.


Actually, i tried that one... and so have the big three...
the hybrids had the best solution to the problem...
They often include a mass flywheel, or other momentum carrying device to gather the excess energy...
then couple that to a motor that becomes an alternator depending on situation
(motor while speeding up, and an alternator while slowing down)
that was the only way to reduce the friction- by actually utilizing it for a braking device.
If you solution worked, that would be all the energy ever needed, but it takes much more energy to move than to stop... so there is a net loss...
Which is why they coupled that with an engine to get the best solution presently...

they tried the old two wheels with alternators and one wheel with a motor trick long ago...
the extra friction of the alternators prevented it from working... got to have the original energy to overcome the friction... that comes from the batterys/motor or engine...




[edit on 25-5-2006 by LazarusTheLong]


reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 10:41 AM by pepsi78
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Originally posted by pepsi78

1 alternator with a separate battery to the wheels so when to wheels spin it provides extra power and no extra resistance is put on the engine, the alternator will spin easy on the wheels puting no resistance to the motion of the wheels because of the mass of the weels in motion, when the car's engine is started the car is usualy in motinon and usualy it's not in motin for a short period of time, stops, red lights, ecetera, and the main alternator of course, I would link them to 1 battery even better 1 biger battery.
This sistem can run independent, no hibrid car is needed, oil can be eliminated forever, and people that run oil companys can go do something else for a living in stead of robing people and making milions.
Who dares chalange me I want to see an explenation , and I will come up with how much power is needed to run the proccessor that spits the oxigen and hidrogen from the water.


Actually, i tried that one... and so have the big three...
the hybrids had the best solution to the problem...
They often include a mass flywheel, or other momentum carrying device to gather the excess energy...
then couple that to a motor that becomes an alternator depending on situation
(motor while speeding up, and an alternator while slowing down)
that was the only way to reduce the friction- by actually utilizing it for a braking device.
If you solution worked, that would be all the energy ever needed, but it takes much more energy to move than to stop... so there is a net loss...
Which is why they coupled that with an engine to get the best solution presently...

they tried the old two wheels with alternators and one wheel with a motor trick long ago...
the extra friction of the alternators prevented it from working... got to have the original energy to overcome the friction... that comes from the batterys/motor or engine...




[edit on 25-5-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

I know that the first ones will be hibrid, but I can tell you that in a few years it will be a self suficent teconology, there are new models of alternators that produce far more power than older tecnology , they are based on magnetic teconology with permanent magnets, they will almost spin by them selfs helped with a short amount of power, 1 spin can turn in to the equivalent of 100x , I dont want to get in to this now, it's not the topic, but I can tell you that hidrogen based fuel is the future.


[edit on 25-5-2006 by pepsi78]


reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 10:46 AM by jumpspace
Aelita:

>>What happens if you split a single water molecule and then link it to the ocean?
>>Do we get more energy out than we put in?

>Sorry, but you pose a nonsensical question. You don't even specify the nature of the "link to the ocean". It's water, so it must have a magic link to the ocean, right?

When I was talking about "getting more out than you put in", I was talking energy wise. I was talking about nulcear energy by way of splitting atoms. I "assumed" people would realize this is what I was talking about. With your reference to THC, I'm once again "assuming" this may have had an effect on your answer

>You keep saying that resonanse somehow allows one to work around the conservation of energy -- you mentioned the "boundaries" of this law of physics.

I'd suggest you read the following regarding the above and what is being discussed in this thread:

www.cheniere.org...

It's quite enlightening and will give you a new insight.

>Not sure what mystery you are referring to.

Here's something about the disappearing electrons that still baffle atomic physicists:

www.famdijkstra.org...

>It could be that the alien overlord Zudu, who floats in molten magma beneath the Hymalayas, is willing to supply the Earth population with Duracell batteries for another 200 years. There is, indeed, such possibility.

I see the THC is having more of an effect now

>I followed this motto all my life and got a decent education in physics. I cordially invite you to invest at least 10 years into doing same, then you'll be better equipped to talk about resonance and how we can tap into other dimensions. Cheers.

Actually, I've been doing this for 23 years

Cheers

JS


reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 11:10 AM by Aelita
Originally posted by jumpspace
I was talking about "getting more out than you put in", I was talking energy wise. I was talking about nulcear energy by way of splitting atoms.


What does nuclear reaction have to do with electrolysis? Was there any claim that the "devices" discussed here harness nuclear energy? Huh?


I'd suggest you read the following regarding the above and what is being discussed in this thread:

www.cheniere.org...

It's quite enlightening and will give you a new insight.


Not it's not. That Bearden stuff is not new and is a lot of mumbo jumbo aimed at convincing the reader that with an appropriate correction to Maxwell's equations, it's possible to tap the free energy. Nahh...



Here's something about the disappearing electrons that still baffle atomic physicists:

www.famdijkstra.org...



This is a master's thesis on the qunatum Hall effect. So what.



reply posted on 25-5-2006 @ 11:42 AM by pepsi78


Fine, I got you to say that yourself. Now please revisit your own statement that 120V is enought to run a car.

Let's do a simple calculation:
One horsepower is approx 740 watts (I may be off here, but let's assume it's roughly about a kilowatt, 1000 watt.).

Note , that would be the case if you run the car on electic power direct.
After your calculations a car would not even run on conventional fuel, and it would reqire a nuclear reactor to power it.
The car does not run on electicity, it runs on fuel, and the trick is that the device that does it all dont require much power to produce fuel.
here is the entire manual, how much power it needs , how is it build.
mynewresidents.com... Car Engine Plans Manual .pdf



120V from the laternator times 20 amps is equal to 2400 Watts, which is 3 horsepower. This is about 2 times less than your lawn mower. Again, the alternator gives you 2400 watts of energy, be it in mechanical form, in the form of hydrogen and oxygen mix or otherwise

Okay for what for fuel or for electricity?
You talking on running the car on electicity, the car is ran on fuel.
20 amps will produce fuel, but you still insist on running the engine on 20 amps, you dont run the car on amps you run it on fuel, fuel can be produced from water, why do you insist puting those 20 amps in the engine direct? why not multiply them bu making fuel?cause the car does not run on electicity it runs on fuel and 20 constant amps will generate regular flow of fuel, read the manual.


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