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HIV...Hoax scare to control population growth?

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posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:28 AM
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HIV...Hoax scare to control population growth?
video.google.com...

I Still find it hard to believe thall all efforts to fight the aids virus is being based on one unproven fact. that HIV CAUSES AIDS.

Never has this been proven,Evidence is even mounting up that is going a long way to dis-prove it.Studies early on found less than 50% of AIDS cases were HIV+

Billions of dollars of everyone,s cash going towards research,drugs and condoms
Medications are aimed towards the HIV ''condition''.

Why?? miliions of people have it, INCLUDING Magic Johnson,they seem fine enough and are even given drugs that are actuallY poisonous.eg.AZT.
Like giving chemotherapy to a guy who has a benign tumour

So is HIV a deliberately misleading statement to stop ''free love'' and control population growth and AIDS a manufactured disease to remove ''undesirables''??,My opinion only..I add

Watch the video. CRAZY..




posted on May, 14 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T
HIV...Hoax scare to control population growth?
video.google.com...

I Still find it hard to believe thall all efforts to fight the aids virus is being based on one unproven fact. that HIV CAUSES AIDS.


I wouldn't be able to dispute this claim as I have no knowledge on the topic.



Studies early on found less than 50% of AIDS cases were HIV+


care to reference these studies? I.e. proof?



Why?? miliions of people have it, INCLUDING Magic Johnson,they seem fine enough and are even given drugs that are actuallY poisonous.eg.AZT.
Like giving chemotherapy to a guy who has a benign tumour


poisenous in what sense? pretty much every drug is poisenous outside the specified doces, so whats ur point?




So is HIV a deliberately misleading statement to stop ''free love'' and control population growth and AIDS a manufactured disease to remove ''undesirables''??,My opinion only..I add


u mean like population control thats working like wildfire in Africa and other such places? how is it population control exactly? And how does a non-discriminating virus control "undesirables?" So Magic Johnson is now considered an "undesirable"?

etc.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:15 PM
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SORRY i have to laugh for a while


I wil not even do you the honour of quoting or refuting your questions as you are obviously not even interested enough in this topic to watch the video before asking your questions

Anyone else . i only ask PLEASE WATCH IT. it is shocking beyond words what we have accepted as fact

Fear mongering
disinformation
bare faced lies
fraud and
scientific miscondust

to extort money for treatment that DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER WORK and
IS THEORISED TO CAUSE THE ACTUAL VIRUS every one is afraid of!!!


and JOHN .. i will be happy to debate your questions if you really require an explanation of the video.. AFTER you have watched it



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 07:19 AM
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I'm not gonna waste my time watching some video until u can reference some of ur claims... that may actually give u (and thus ur video) some credability... enough credability to warrant me taking the time out to watch it.




and JOHN .. i will be happy to debate your questions if you really require an explanation of the video.. AFTER you have watched it


ok... so long as u watch my 8 hour video 'prooving' that the world is flat and trees aren't real. And u can't say anything to the contrary UNTIL u've watched the whole thing! Thats a stupid arguement, no? Surley u could reference some of the sources from the video? I'm assuming it is referencing credible sources, no?



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
I'm not gonna waste my time watching some video until u can reference some of ur claims... that may actually give u (and thus ur video) some credability... enough credability to warrant me taking the time out to watch it.


I think the CREDIBILITY is within the presentation itself with...

and....
and.....

sorry i really dont wanna blow the ending for you


[edit on 15-5-2006 by AGENT_T]


Dae

posted on May, 15 2006 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
I'm not gonna waste my time watching some video until u can reference some of ur claims... that may actually give u (and thus ur video) some credability... enough credability to warrant me taking the time out to watch it.


AIDS reappraisal - Wiki
Professor Peter H. Duesberg
AIDS reappraisal - about.com

Something tells me you most likely wont take the time to read up on this... gowan, I dare ya!


ok... so long as u watch my 8 hour video 'prooving' that the world is flat and trees aren't real. And u can't say anything to the contrary UNTIL u've watched the whole thing! Thats a stupid arguement, no? Surley u could reference some of the sources from the video? I'm assuming it is referencing credible sources, no?


The video is two hours not eight. Comparing the reapraisal of the HIV/AIDS theory is not akin to claming the world is flat or trees are not real. Human theories come and go, yet the world stays round(ish) and trees still grow.



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 08:24 AM
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Something tells me you most likely wont take the time to read up on this... gowan, I dare ya!


Thanks Dae,you are a bigger man than i am.Maybe i should have more patience trying to help people DENY IGNORANCE

would love your feedback on this. I was stunned.Equivelent of 15$ per head of every single hiv sufferer.?? On a seemingly natural occuring virus that has NEVER by ANYONE proved to even cause aids??.

In fact i dare anyone to even watch the first 5 minutes and not be compelled to watch the rest. 3 minutes even

[edit on 15-5-2006 by AGENT_T]



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 08:32 AM
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In fact i dare anyone to even watch the first 5 minutes and not be compelled to watch the rest. 3 minutes even


I dare u to reference 1 of ur claims from a credible source. Then u got urself a deal


EDIT: I'm more than happy to eat my words should u present some actual substance to backup ur claims (aside from the vid, cos I don't have time to watch it. To put it simply, I'm mid-way through my exams at uni), but until then, how can u expect me take what u say as fact? If we all went round believing the 1st thing we heard from total strangers, then we'd all be in a right old mess on this board.

[edit on 15-5-2006 by john_bmth]



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 08:40 AM
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I dare u to reference 1 of ur claims from a credible source. Then u got urself a deal



Who would you consider to be a creditable source?
F.D.A?
GLAXO?

If you do not want to check it out for yourself .FINE!! that is your perogative and you right to do so.

So i assume that if you ever have the misfortune to contract AIDS then you,ll be first in the queue with your $10,000 - $20,000 for AZT.

While you,re there why not stock up on bird flu vaccine too

I,m sure MR RUMSFELD will appreciate the extra cash

[edit on 15-5-2006 by AGENT_T]



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 08:47 AM
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on the other hand, u could actually read my post


u make claims. I ask u to back up ur claims about 3 times. u expect me to go running around on the net on a potential wild goose case? How about u show me some links to credible sources and research. WHy would this be a problem if ur so sure that u are right?

This is going round in circles. You're the one presenting the arguement, therefore the onus is on u to back up ur claims with credible sources.

etc.


Dae

posted on May, 15 2006 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T
Thanks Dae,you are a bigger man than i am.Maybe i should have more patience trying to help people DENY IGNORANCE

would love your feedback on this. I was stunned.Equivelent of 15$ per head of every single hiv sufferer.?? On a seemingly natural occuring virus that has NEVER by ANYONE proved to even cause aids??.


Hehe, ima gal but thanks anyway


I resurrected an old post about this a few weeks ago here. Gotta dash now but Ive posted a fair bit in it and it should give you an idea about my ideas and thoughts.




posted on May, 15 2006 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
on the other hand, u could actually read my post



ACTUALLY i did read your post,but before you edited it with the footnote.Hmmmm?

since 2hrs is too long to deduct from your crucial exam preperation time here,s something better suited to your attention span

www.sevenoaksart.co.uk...

Then get back to your homework before i tell your momma you,re goofing off



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 09:58 AM
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claimant


Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley.

He isolated the first cancer gene through his work on retroviruses in 1970, and mapped the genetic structure of these viruses. This, and his subsequent work in the same field, resulted in his election to the National Academy of Sciences in 1986. He is also the recipient of a seven-year Outstanding Investigator Grant from the National Institutes of Health


Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research, Lancet, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Journal of AIDS, AIDS Forschung, Biomedicine and Pharmacotherapeutics, New England Journal of Medicine and Research in Immunology. He has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various AIDS diseases are brought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and AZT, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS

Walter Gilbert, professor in molecular biology, won the 1980 Nobel prize in chemistry

Kary Mullis won the 1993 Nobel Prize in chemistry for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction technique, for detecting DNA, which is used to search for fragments of HIV in AIDS patient


www.oralchelation.com...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.aidsinfobbs.org...

As requested.three claims from ''reputable sources''to the first point alone..

University professors and nobel prize winners count. right??

HIV has never been proven to cause aids

Good enough for any schoolboy and more than 2hrs worth of reading too



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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schoolboy? I'm in my 2nd year of uni mate


When I finish up my exams I'll keep my end of the bargain and give the vid a watch



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 11:10 AM
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AZT was developed back in 1964 for chemotherapy in cancer patients, at a time when it was thought that cancer was caused by a retrovirus, but was shelved because it failed in animal experiments. It was designed to destroy proliferating cells. Normally cancer chemotherapy drugs are used for limited periods. The rationale for cancer chemotherapy is to kill cancer cells during mitosis with cytotoxic chemicals like AZT.


In fact is was so *bleeping* toxic they wouldn't admit it for chemotherapy, which should tell you something. A while ago they believed retroviruses caused cancer, now it's AIDS, doesn't matter much to them because they make a fortune either way.

[edit on 15-5-2006 by Long Lance]



posted on May, 15 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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I really think, Agent T, that you need to walk a day or so in my shoes. I'm currently in the last clerkship of medical school, preceptored to an infectious disease/HIV specialist. Now, can you explain to me how, strangely, when the patients HIV viral load jumps from 90,000 to 800,000 they suddenly become ill, their CD4 cells drop to below 50, and they become susceptible to MRSA, candidiasis, etc.?

It seems to me like you have never actually seen or met an HIV patient, or reviewed their charts, etc. It's pretty bloody obvious that the virus is the culprit when you have the person's vitals in front of you. You can clearly see that as the virus gains ground, the person's immune system loses a proprotional amount.

I've heard of this video you're pushing, and I've even watched a bit of it. It really doesn't bring anything new to the table. More pseudo-science and bad logic. Can you perhaps present us with a peer-reviewed article? It's much harder to write one of those than break out the handicam and film a conspiracy video. I mean, if I put a video on google about ATS being run by aliens, would you believe it just because it was on google, you couldn't necessarily disprove it, and it "sounded" plausible? Perhaps it is just your lack of medical experience showing, but a peer-reviewed article will go a long way.

MFP



posted on May, 16 2006 @ 09:22 AM
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Also of interest is NYC's Dept. of Health and Statistics record of Pediatric AIDS deaths over the entire AIDS period (which they backdate to 1976) versus the number of Pediatric HIV deaths for the same period.

60% mortality (40% survival) rate in the AIDS (highly drugged) group -versus- 4% mortality (96% survival) rate for the HIV (no AIDS - less drugged or not drugged) group.



A major problem with the new AIDS definition is that it ignores the man-made environmental causes of immune suppression. Exposure to toxins, alcoholism, heavy drug use or heavy antibiotic use all can cause onset of the list of 'diseases' indicative of AIDS. "Los Angeles Weekly Dec 18 1987. Dr. Leo Rebello



"I have known so many people who have died of AIDS ... and all of them - all of them - took the drugs they were told to by their doctors. .. I have never taken any of them and I haven't gotten sick. Not even a cold.." Goldie Glitters - nearly 30 years "living with the virus"


www.newmediaexplorer.org...

Also they are adding more and more diseases to the HIV Hit list.30+ soon there wont be any more regular diseases left to die from.

HIV + plus flu = AIDS
HIV - plus flu = FLU
www.aidsmeds.com...
WITH the opening sentence. hiv causes aids

What of FALSE POSITIVE RESULTS??do they have aids when they are sick too?
www.aliveandwell.org...

What are they gonna put on next to increase the mortality figures
I reckon heart disease would be the clencher

Top 100 AIDS Science Inconsistencies
www.geocities.com...

First bsl4doc.

Dr Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research, Lancet, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Journal of AIDS, AIDS Forschung, Biomedicine and Pharmacotherapeutics, New England Journal of Medicine and Research in Immunology
surely they are peer reviewed. i will try and find a reply

But there are reported cases of fraud in such publications ...eg
www.dissidentvoice.org...

If you notice on my other thread about electrotherapthy as a possibility for treating AIDS/blood borne pathogens/fungi i actually posted a link to this video especially for you... requesting that you watched it all and gave us your point of view adding that i held you in high esteem.I still love the magic onion refutal btw.

I was actually hoping for the same kind of scientifically based response regarding the entire video.

And far from it being a handycam conspiracy home movie...
(i think you,re confusing this one with Dr Robert Beck,s zapper video...which was low budget handycam because he was lecturing NON-PROFIT
Handing out information booklets free off charge to those who didn,t even have the money to pay for the photocopying by his assistant)

It is a TV documentary quality presentation thats only been posted very recently after 10 years god only knows where.

I will re-request that you do watch it.I am confident that you will find it interesting even if only for the puposes of dissecting it

BTW you are right on one thing.I do NOT know of anyone SUFFERING from HIV.but i do know quite a lot of people 'diagnosed' with the condition,They lead perfectly health lives without meds..

Actually shocked one guy who had a heart attack and made him change his ways,no smoking,drinks little and started gym. never looked healthier in his entire life


I wish you well in your final year btw.The world need some good doctors out there who want to make a difference not just blindly provide answer that big drug cartels are happy to supply grants for

also what do you make of this??
www.cossa.org...

Again sincerest wishes in a morally challenging field of work



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