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Bibles Banned From Hospitals In Australia

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posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:26 PM
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JJ,

All I can really say is ... Boohoo. Who care's if there are no bibles in every single god damned institution. Hospital, hotel, court room etc. Big friggin deal. Good for the christians, they're the majority. IMO, not something they should be proud of considering HOW they became the majority. And now that they can get away with that BS anymore, they switch to politcs and "innocent" little act's such as putting their book in every damn place they can.

Oh, and then the minority says yo wtf guy's, be a little more respectfull of other people's beliefs. What do we see, the same nonsense BS dribble your posting here. No, not everyone care's about the christian god. Does it matter that most of the country does? Heck friggin no. Should people be more RESPECTFULL of OTHER non-christian beliefs and not shove a christian bible in their face. YES!

I know, stupid anology. It's how I feel though. I go get a hotel room and lo and behold, I get that damn book included. Free of charge. Thanks to the kind folks at the local church trying to shove this crap down my throat.

Sorry if I'm a bit pissy, but ffs. You christians gotta stop with your whiney poo-poo-ing. Not every damn person on this planet gives a damn about your god. Be more tolerant of other people's beliefs and stop trying to "save" people. No one give's a damn.

(note: rant wasn't entirely directed towards you. That post just set off alot of bottled up anger towards the mojority of the whiney poo-poo-ing christians.)

-AMEN!




posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't have any problem with a bible being made available upon request, as long as any other book (or many other popular bits of reading material) I might want to read would also be available upon request. Got a copy of today's paper or "The Old Man and the Sea" hanging around?


BH, I understand what you are saying. But to second what junglejake said....most hospitals in the states, Australia ande hospital's administration should have the option and the right to place religious material in rooms?

Having every other religion's 'bible' on demand would be great, more options imo. But it is the hospital's choice...not yours, not the governments and not anyone elses.

Let's put our tinfoil hats on here....if the gov't starts to regulate what reading material can and cannot be made available to patients...don't you think that would start and spread to other groups, private businesses and enterprises? Is that right? Is that freedom of religion?

People always complain that our rights are being taken away, unless the thing being taken away is something they personally don't like or agree with...then it's ok



Originally posted by mulberryblueshimmer
Why do they have to have them in every room? Apart from having disease transfer implications. Hospitals are rife enough without possible added cross contaminations.

They don't have to be in every room, but it is a privately ran business/hospital and they should be able to pick and chose what they want in their rooms.

The Gideons offered to start donating hard slick cover bibles so they can be wiped clean, much like TV guides, TV remotes, and hospital brochures.



[edit on 14/5/2006 by SportyMB]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
Who is it, then, that the hospitals have to cater to on this one?


Why do they have to 'cater' to anyone? They should make their policies and follow them.



Why does the vast majority have to suffer to avoid offending an extreme minority?


Suffer? If you have to pick up the phone to get a bible instead of having it available within your grasp, you consider that suffering? If it's that important in your life to have constant access to a bible, then perhaps you should bring your own then.



I see it as saying to a baseball team, "We all have to bat left handed because Joe is left handed and he may feel left out if all the other players bat right handed."


Well, I'm not suprised you see it that way.
More accurately, it's like a basketball team providing size 13 shoes becaue that's what the majority of BB players wear. That's fine for those who wear 13, but for those minority who don't, it's not fair to continue to provide JUST size 13. The only fair thing to do is either provide all possible sizes or not provide them at all and have the players bring their own.


Seems the Gideons are the drama queens in this little story. They were turned away from a hospital or 2 and decided to make a dramatic news story about how bibles were "banned".

Bibles Were NOT Banned.



THE Queensland Government has denied that Bibles have been banned from hospital bedsides because health bosses fear they offend non-Christians.
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However, Opposition health spokesman Bruce Flegg says a Christian group which supplies Bibles to hospitals has been turned away from at least one – the Royal Brisbane and Women's.
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Royal Melbourne Hospital spokesman Rod Jackson-Smith said Bibles were not banned, but it was considered inappropriate to have one in every room, because there were so many people from different religious backgrounds.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:39 PM
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Pr0ton, by what you're saying, then, the government is doing a service to the population by making the holy book of the majority's religion illegal in hospitals? How is having a Bible accessable to a Christian believer disrespectiful to other religions? How is having a donation accessable to someone who would appreciate the donation disrespectful to all other beliefs? If an Islamic foundation were to give out Korans to hospitals, I would support it (it so happens that no such organization exists that I know of, but that's another matter). If a Satanist organization did the same, I'd be cool with it. On the other hand, you seem to want your religion (Athiesm) represented exclusivly, and I'm disrespectful to people if I disagree with you.

Interesting.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by junglejakeBH, I understand your first two statements, but as to the "I don't care" one...It's not a majority issue? Who is it, then, that the hospitals have to cater to on this one? The minority? How is that representative to the majority, which is the core of what a democratic republic is all about? Why does the vast majority have to suffer to avoid offending an extreme minority? I see it as saying to a baseball team, "We all have to bat left handed because Joe is left handed and he may feel left out if all the other players bat right handed." In essence, I don't give a flying # about 8 of you, all I care about is how Joe feels. How is that helpful to a society or an individual, including Joe?


It's not the majority and it's not the minority. It's both.
Christians wouldn't be suffering if there lacked a bible withing their proximity at every hour of day, should we provide restaurants, parking lots, swimming pools and baseball stadiums with bibles as well? Yes I know a hospital can't be compared with these examples as you most likely spend more time in a hospital and you don't have to prepare for a potential inevitable death while in the parking lot, but I'm positive if you ask a family member/friend/the hospital to bring the book of your choice, especially such a common one as the Bible, it shouldn't be that big a trouble.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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Seems the Gideons are the drama queens in this little story. They were turned away from a hospital or 2 and decided to make a dramatic news story about how bibles were "banned".

I don't agree with them making a scene over being turned away, that's bad on their part imo. But (I can't say this enough) it is their right to make a scene and dramatic news stories....just as much as it is for the hospital to have only bibles.


Originally posted by Panzeroth
should we provide restaurants, parking lots, swimming pools and baseball stadiums with bibles as well?


Ahhh, I'll say it again....it's privately ran so they should be able to have whatever they want on display, in the rooms or in the gift shop. If a hospital chooses to only have Korans, that's ok...cause they have the choice...it's only fair.

[edit on 14/5/2006 by SportyMB]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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I'm gonna go quote by quote



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by junglejake
Who is it, then, that the hospitals have to cater to on this one?


Why do they have to 'cater' to anyone? They should make their policies and follow them.



Ok, that's fine. What do they base their policies on? The will of many or the will of few? The needs of many or the wants of few?


Suffer? If you have to pick up the phone to get a bible instead of having it available within your grasp, you consider that suffering?
You assume that everyone in a hospital has family and loved ones. Sadly, this is not always the case. Eh, but maybe those people, those with nothing and no one, we can ignore and pretend they don't exist. Society does a pretty good job of that iin other arenas, anways, why not in their deepest time of need?


If it's that important in your life to have constant access to a bible, then perhaps you should bring your own then.
I have one on me at all times. If, however, I'm in a car wreck, chances are, the paramedics aren't going to think to bring my Bible with me to the hospital. Well, I have loved ones, so I don't have to worry about that...Right? (Rhetorical, I would say no because I care about more than myself)



Well, I'm not suprised you see it that way.
More accurately, it's like a basketball team providing size 13 shoes becaue that's what the majority of BB players wear. That's fine for those who wear 13, but for those minority who don't, it's not fair to continue to provide JUST size 13. The only fair thing to do is either provide all possible sizes or not provide them at all and have the players bring their own.
Yet you're saying exactly that...



Seems the Gideons are the drama queens in this little story. They were turned away from a hospital or 2 and decided to make a dramatic news story about how bibles were "banned".
The Gideons make a donation, the hospital says you can't give us these because of this reason. The Gideons say, ok, we'll compensate for that by doing this. The hospital says...uhhhhh, nah. How dare those Gideons have a problem with this?! If you were told you can't do something you're passionate about because of some reason, and you corrected that reason and went back to the person who said you couldn't do that and told them, and they just told you they didn't care, I'm sure you'd be ok with it and just walk away, dismissing your passion. Mmmhmmm. Those dramaqueens.

As to the article you linked, I think I'll delete the second paragraph and quote it again.


THE Queensland Government has denied that Bibles have been banned from hospital bedsides because health bosses fear they offend non-Christians.
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Royal Melbourne Hospital spokesman Rod Jackson-Smith said Bibles were not banned, but it was considered inappropriate to have one in every room, because there were so many people from different religious backgrounds.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
I have one on me at all times. If, however, I'm in a car wreck, chances are, the paramedics aren't going to think to bring my Bible with me to the hospital. Well, I have loved ones, so I don't have to worry about that...Right? (Rhetorical, I would say no because I care about more than myself)


What if I end up in a car crash? I would certainly not lie/lay/however it is spelled
next to a Bible on my last hours.


Originally posted by SportyMBAhhh, I'll say it again....it's privately ran so they should be able to have whatever they want on display, in the rooms or in the gift shop. If a hospital chooses to only have Korans, that's ok...cause they have the choice...it's only fair.


I'm aware of that, as earlier mentioned, but I'm refering to state hospitals as the discussion lead into.

[edit on 14-5-2006 by Panzeroth]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Prot0n
Should just outlaw the christian religion,


Hey! Maybe on Sunday mornings, there can be groups of armed people to go around to all the Christian churches and gather all the people to the front lawn and behead them all!

Yeah! Then Biblical prophecies will become reality.

Burn all Christain literature including the Holy Bible and become like Nazi Germany.

Great idea Prot0n.


EDIT: added: The longer I live and the better MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) sounds. Just think. No more wars. No more crime. Just a dead planet without hate. There's never been any love so why bother. I say to HELL with love!


[edit on 14/5/06 by Intelearthling]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:13 PM
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Jake, they have bibles available, just not in every room. If you're well enough to read or hold the bible, you're well enough to ask the nurse for one.


Originally posted by junglejake
The Gideons make a donation, the hospital says you can't give us these because of this reason.


The reason, the REAL reason, is because they don't want to offend people who may not be religious or of another religion. How can the Gideons correct that?

They can't.

Jake, what if they wanted to leave pornography in every room? Pornography is just the ticket when you're down and need a little pick-me-up, no? Sure it is! Some people would really like that. But some would be offended. Why not have porn available for those who request it?

Why isn't it ok to have it in every room? Because it would be INAPPROPRIATE for every hospital patient.

Now, I know you don't see the bible in the same league with pornography, but to a non-religious person it's all just paper.

Feel better.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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The needs of many or the wants of few?


The needs??? wtf? Honestly JJ ...






The Gideons make a donation, the hospital says you can't give us these because of this reason. The Gideons say, ok, we'll compensate for that by doing this. The hospital says...uhhhhh, nah. How dare those Gideons have a problem with this?! If you were told you can't do something you're passionate about because of some reason, and you corrected that reason and went back to the person who said you couldn't do that and told them, and they just told you they didn't care, I'm sure you'd be ok with it and just walk away, dismissing your passion. Mmmhmmm. Those dramaqueens.


I'd say a clearly fine example of poo-poo-ing myself. So what. They got turned down. Booooo-friggin-hooo. So yes kids, the mature thing to do is whine like a little girl to the media and claim so and so hospital doesn't love your god.

So-friggin-what? The hospital didn't want it. Move the f... on. The giddeons should, instead of trying to shove the bible down the hospitals throat, they should be getting a damn life.

No, I don't care if "atheism" is represented exclusivly. All people are asking is that you christian back the hell off. Not everyone gives a damn about your religion or your god. You don't NEEEEEED to put your bible in every god damn institution that you can get your hands on. Hey, if your cool with tolerating other religions having thier books in these places, great! Perhaps we can start a movement and change the US currency to say in Satan we trust. God got the spotlight for awhile, it's time to play fair and open up and tolerate other beliefs. Heck, we should swear on the egyptian book of the dead in court too. Or let's place the vedas in hotels for a change, atleast they're interesting to read!



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by Prot0n
Should just outlaw the christian religion,


Hey! Maybe on Sunday mornings, there can be groups of armed people to go around to all the Christian churches and gather all the people to the front lawn and behead them all!

Yeah! Then Biblical prophecies will become reality.

Burn all Christain literature including the Holy Bible and become like Nazi Germany.

Great idea Prot0n.


EDIT: added: The longer I live and the better MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) sounds. Just think. No more wars. No more crime. Just a dead planet without hate. There's never been any love so why bother. I say to HELL with love!


[edit on 14/5/06 by Intelearthling]


Wtf does nazi germany have anything to do with it? And no one said anything about armed people killing christians. Damn, lay off the drugs guy... BAD TRIP.

There is and never has been any justifiable reason for christianity to push itself upon others. To kill and destroy people and cultures. To eradicate history. To lie, cheat and decieve in hopes of "saving" people. It's a disease. A virus. We eliminate virus's. We feel better. We become happier. We don't necessarily have to literally outlaw the religion, but we can atleast outlaw this idiotic practice of throat shoving.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:30 PM
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Well, hospitals, hotels, etc. probably would allow other religious holy books if they were being donated. But to my knowledge there aren't other groups like the Gideons who go to such trouble and expense to provide holy books of their religion. Except maybe Mormons.

I stayed in a hotel that had a Gideon bible and a book of Mormon. I was not offended in the least. I actually read some and was glad the book of mormon was there as I had been curious about it but didn't want it hand delivered by a missionary. And I'm never offended by anyones holy book.

Anyway, I don't think any book should be "banned". No one is being forced to read it. If you don't like it you don't have to read it.

I also don't believe anyone should be force fed any religion. But, a book lying in a drawer isn't force feeding.

It's kind of like the local tourism packs or pizza coupons that are in many hotel rooms. You don't have to use them or read them. Should they be removed because they might offend vegans because they depict a meat lovers pizza, or a tour of a local cattle ranch and attatched steak house?

I do wish that so many people who claim to be Christians would be more Christ like and not try to "your-gonna-go-to-hell-if-you-don't-do-what-I-do-NOW!" to everybody. It's a big turn off and it's no wonder so many are sick and tired of "christians".

Another point I'd like to make is that most christians have their own Bibles and shouldn't be upset by not being able to find them in hospitals, hotels, etc. If a person in a hospital wants one they could probably call the hospital chaplain and get one quickly.

Bibles should be made available by christians for free to those who ask for one. And christians should never throw a hissy fit over not being able to leave them in rooms. The Gidions could ask if they would be allowed to come offer them personally so as not to cause more work for nurses. Or leave their number in the hospital info book so the folks who want one can call a Gideon and ask for it.

There are simple alternatives.

Fits are the pits.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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In Satan we trust. Rofl!

You have a point, Proton. I think it's time we incorporate multiple religions; have people swear on a Koran, put 'one nation, under Shiva,' in the pledge, etc. But in Satan we trust, now that one KILLED me!



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka


In Satan we trust. Rofl!

You have a point, Proton. I think it's time we incorporate multiple religions; have people swear on a Koran, put 'one nation, under Shiva,' in the pledge, etc. But in Satan we trust, now that one KILLED me!


I have this tshirt



On a serious sidenote though, justagirl mentioned it doesn't hurt to have a bible in the drawer. Which is true. But it's the thought that matters, a concept I believe in, and if I should lay next to a Bible why shouldn't a Christian lay next to a copy of the Satanic Bible or Koran? I feel I'm repeating myself, but I address it again.
Why should Christians claim their rights but no one else?

[edit on 14-5-2006 by Panzeroth]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka

In Satan we trust. Rofl!

Imagine an oath like this one:

"I swear by Almighty Satan that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Satan"




posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:19 PM
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Wow, cant believe where this threads gone. Guy's it barely made the news here, in fact after first hearing it on the morning news last week and a small article in the paper the next day it's disappeared off the radar.
The hospitals mentioned do receive govt funding so they do need to be mindful of not biting the hand that feeds. From the news report i saw the issue of infection had as much to do with the decision as any so called insulting of minorities.
There has been a lot of public attention lately regarding infectious diseases in public hospitals. All the major current affairs programs have run stories in the past month, even going so far as infiltrating hospitals and testing doorknobs, basins, chairs etc.
I think this probably has more to do with hospital administrations fearing an influx of lawsuits from disgruntled patients who may have picked up golden staff or some other infectious disease during a stay in hospital.

Aaaachoo..

M4S



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt

Originally posted by truthseeka

In Satan we trust. Rofl!

Imagine an oath like this one:

"I swear by Almighty Satan that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Satan"



Why roll your eyes at this?

The fact that you scoff at this suggests you feel certain religions are superior or "more real" than others. This further leads me to believe you would not actually support a Satanic bible or a Koran laying next to you as you lay sick in a hospital.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka

Why roll your eyes at this?

This further leads me to believe you would not actually support a Satanic bible or a Koran laying next to you as you lay sick in a hospital.

Smileys...

The smiley I wanted to use was this one:
but it came out as
instead. Big deal.

Actually if I were to lay sick in a hospital, I think I would prefer to have an issue of Playboy laying next to me. But maybe that's just me...


[edit on 2006/5/14 by Hellmutt]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
Imagine an oath like this one:

"I swear by Almighty Satan that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Satan"



I fail to see the issue.

Satanist's don't view Satan as a bad guy. Christians do. FFS, I can't find anything in the christian bible that would lead me to think Satan is the bad guy. I can find plenty of examples of the christian god however doing some pretty nasty BS. What's Satan done? Rebeled against god and gave mankind knowledge. O. M. F. G. That bastard! To hell he goes!

The only, ONLY thing I can find in the bible is christian propaganda against him. They say he does thing's or lies about stuff. Yet nothing written of what he actually has done other then the above mentioned thing. God on the other hand ... damn that guy needs to get laid. Or atleast remove the stick. It's been way up there for way to long.



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