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Is Microsoft Working With The NSA?? Windows apparently has a backdoor for NSA.

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posted on May, 13 2006 @ 11:17 PM
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This thread is not a joke.
if it was it would have been trashed by now wouldnt u think?
review the posts and see for yourself.

Omega




posted on May, 13 2006 @ 11:22 PM
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What's your opinion about the other questions I raised?



posted on May, 13 2006 @ 11:33 PM
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hmmm your questions are good

though these questions branch out into other things to do with the nsa, i will post them in time, i think most people are startled that the NSA is reviewing our info because it is the nsa. allthough there arealot of strange things about this organisation that make the facts about them monitering us somewhat uncomforting.
keep up the good posts

Omega



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 01:30 AM
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I can tell you without any detail, YES
MS and its' branches works -a lot- with the US govt and it wouldn't be the slightest surprise if your suspicion was to be confirmed...
And even if you don't have Windows running on your computer there are so many ways the govt could gain access to your computer if they really wanted, and you wouldn't even know it. Of course if you ended up with sensitive material they could just raid your home and take it...



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 03:15 AM
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It doesn't seem strange to me that the threads I posted to earlier about this seemed to be lost now. It must still be there somewhere, maybe it's in RATS. I read about the possibility of secret keys in windows years ago. More recently when I searched for a web site that stated how to deactivate one secret key, it seemed like my internet surfing suddenly became much slower for a while. I felt like someone was watching me and dropped the matter.

If you wonder what might cause you to get monitored by the NSA or some other group, I think searching for ways to deactivate somewhat secret windows keys may be it. I don't like the way windows secretly logs all internet surfing activity either and stores the files on your pc. For the general population, all anyone has to do is get into their pc and they could download their entire internet history if they don't know that their surfing activity of every web site visited is getting recorded by their own pc courtesy of windows. Maybe the new operating systems are different but I'm thinking not.

I believe what's on the pcs of foreign computers would be of much greater interest to the NSA than anything us ordinary folks have. However there are some good ATS stories here to read.


[edit on 14-5-2006 by orionthehunter]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 08:47 AM
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Starting from the begining, what can really be done with those "keys"?

Can those "keys" be used to access our computers?

If the answer is "yes", then how can someone use those "keys" to get access to our computers?

Edit:
Why do they call ADVAPI.DLL a driver?

They also speak of "CAPI", and if that is what I suppose, it is (was) used for ISDN communications.

Edit 2:
CAPI is supposed to be CryptoAPI, I should have looked first and asked latter.

[edit on 14/5/2006 by ArMaP]

[edit on 14/5/2006 by ArMaP]



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:01 AM
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This is extremely old news...micorsoft and intel had a backdoor installed in the intel 4 chip a few years back and there was considerable uproar over it then and they swore it would be removed. Of course my dog is more computer savay than most people (including me)
and that was all it took to quell the outrage...I wasn't worried in the first place I am a mac person and wouldn't trust microsoft further than I could throw bill gates wallet but mac chips and software is extremely open, especially OS X and its siblings.


apc

posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:10 AM
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All this was was an attempt to exercise a lack of knowledge (ignorance...) in order to jump on the PHEER DA NSA bandwagon.

They really are not as powerful as one might think. Noone is. Not even any alleged NWO. People give them power. And People can take it away.

There would be a LOT of easier ways for the NSA to secretly backdoor all Windows computers. A LOT better hidden ways, too.

Heres a good writeup on what exactly this key is, and how MS IE cryptography works:

yarchive.net...


First, what this is not: Even if it turns out that the "NSAKEY" is a
key owned by the NSA (and Microsoft denies this), it isn't something
that the NSA could use to directly hack into your computer. (Of
course, if the NSA wants to do such a thing, they can use any number
of known Windows security holes ... none of them require knowledge of
any key, and all of them work just as well for the NSA as they do for
any other attacker.)


I have yet to see any facts, proof, or evidence indicating that this second key is indeed owned by the NSA. Beyond the naming, there is absolutely no direct association. The idea that it belongs to the NSA stemmed from hacker paranoia, which is quite plentiful in the cyber world... obviously...

MS says the naming of the key was just for simplicity's sake in showing that the key has passed NSA export regulations. With 128bit encryption came the need for a second, lower bitrate key for use outside of the USA. _nsakey is it.

And again it should be emphasized... this was 7 years ago. Since then the number of programmers that work with these keys on a daily basis has increased significantly. Why has noone else piped up? Do they each have a man in black standing in their cubicle with a gun?



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:30 AM
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I went to the site of company that found this "key", Cryptonym, and all I found was a blank page saying:



Yes, this is the website of Cryptonym Corporation (of the "NSA Key" fame).

I hope to, sometime in the near future, put a brief explanation the whole story online, so stay tuned...


So I went to the Way Back Machine to see what have been in the site.

What I found was from December 5, 2000 and that was a page where the most recent "Hot Topic" was from November 1999.

One of "Hot Topics" was "A Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) guide is now available on the Microsoft/NSA issue", that anyone can read www.cryptonym.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">here



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by apc
All this was was an attempt to exercise a lack of knowledge (ignorance...) in order to jump on the PHEER DA NSA bandwagon.


As the Author of this thread i can say No it wasnt, and it was not lack of (Ignorance) as u put it at all??
Please.
Everyone has there own opinions and veiwpoints, respect them.
If u wanna argue about it then do it with facts and not with implying things or grilling people. it is a more valid way of doing it.


apc

posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:06 AM
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Yes, and my opinion is that this was a tag along to all the other uproar over the NSA lately.

It was a cold, dead story, brought back to life through a lack of understanding of the facts involved.

I initially presented articles. You blew them off in distrust. You didnt even look at one of them, and likely not the other.

There's viewpoints based on fact. And there's viewpoints based on not even bothering to read the facts.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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i would suspect microsoft works with the us government. maybe on an informal level as well as a formal one.
doesnt the govenment hold 70+% of the stock in total?

im sure the NSA can hack into anything they want. I have always assumed intelligence agencies could and would do that.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I've been told a million times, but I never listen. I need to start running Linux. It's good that it's available, but I'm sure that it will be criminalized in the future.



ID love to see you run linux
, I have and I dont like it.....its terrible....

its hardware recognition is crap....you have to manually configure your software and load it into a directory.

even through the GUI linux is difficult to work with......this is just to perform the most basic tasks......

Trust me and all you people out there who dont have any expierence with linux and is going from hear say....

you will be right back with microsoft.....either that or go to apple.

you have to be a decent programer to get linux to run optimally.

most users are not.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 04:55 PM
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I know for a fact that a backdoor is built in every windows system as I know someone whos job it is to try and find people trading in child porn.

He uncovered one of the biggest rings in the last 3 or 4 years illegally but had to wait until they had a legal pretence to accidently uncover said evidence before they could arrest people.

Maybe said backdoors are also used for other governmental reasons but this is one I know is used for a fact.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by apc
Yes, and my opinion is that this was a tag along to all the other uproar over the NSA lately.

It was a cold, dead story, brought back to life through a lack of understanding of the facts involved.

I initially presented articles. You blew them off in distrust. You didnt even look at one of them, and likely not the other.

There's viewpoints based on fact. And there's viewpoints based on not even bothering to read the facts.


I didnt blow anything off in distrust??
i looked at them?
if u look u may even see i replied to them
Indeed there r veiwpoints .
No more arguing please,


apc

posted on May, 14 2006 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Omega85
greetings.

I must say that i wouldnt trust people from either of those two parties on this.
i think what they say would be somewhat biased and i think they would say what they want us to hear, as is the way with most powerfull organisations.
just a thought

Omega85


And apparently you felt Privacy Security Company was a "powerfull organisation" ... since you read it.

Who's arguing?



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by AdamJ
i would suspect microsoft works with the us government. maybe on an informal level as well as a formal one.
doesnt the govenment hold 70+% of the stock in total?

im sure the NSA can hack into anything they want. I have always assumed intelligence agencies could and would do that.


i agree,though im not sure how much your gov hold in stock .
i think that they very well could.



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:39 PM
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That one guy who posted about the NSA Crypto key in Windows is right on about what this Key is.

This is old knowledge that has been rehashed, it simply has to do with the fact that NSA can open any encrypted hunk of data on the NTFS filesystem (Pretty sure I remmeber it being an NTFS encryption key). In regards to an actual 'backdoor', i.e., an NSA Trojan Horse, there is no proof that anything of the sort exists and it would take some serious proof for me to start considering it.

If there was such a thing it would have been discovered and exploited long ago. Not only that, but the effects would be crippling to our modern world where a significant portion of companies throughout the world rely on the Window operating system.

Matter o' fact, the NSA used to provide NSA-Approved NT 'Hardening' guidelines. What that means is, they offer instructions on how to lock-down your NT system so it is secure enough for the NSA themselves to trust with their own data. I only did the system admin thing for a breif period out of HS and it was very handy knowing my NT boxes were secured to NSA standards.

Booyakasha!

-Vin



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by apc
It is a legitimate security issue, which is why it was found. Backdoors are usually well hidden.

With the dawn of IE4 in Windows 95 OSR2 came 128bit encryption. So naturally this key would be in every version since.

Just add this one to the very long list of windows vulnerabilities.

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now this is posted to ATSNN? that's pretty sad. As pointed out, this originally came out 7 years ago and saw no further developments.

[edit on 13-5-2006 by apc]


and why would they name it NSAKEY? that'd be bad secrecy by my standards for i woulda called it T4Typ9KEY



posted on May, 14 2006 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Flyer
I know for a fact that a backdoor is built in every windows system as I know someone whos job it is to try and find people trading in child porn.

He uncovered one of the biggest rings in the last 3 or 4 years illegally but had to wait until they had a legal pretence to accidently uncover said evidence before they could arrest people.

Maybe said backdoors are also used for other governmental reasons but this is one I know is used for a fact.

Interesting, Nice post

So backdoors do exist,
Should try and find out if there is anythin floating around about them and the government in 2006, would be good to find something like that.
I will see what i can find.

Many thanks

Omega



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