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Did Hitler Really Commit Suicide?

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posted on May, 11 2006 @ 10:18 PM
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I have often thought that Hitlers suicide in 1945 could very well have been faked and maybe he fled Germany and lived out his years somwhere. From what I have read Hitler shot himself and then his body was burned. So how was he identified and how do we know any remains were his and not that of a Hitler 'double'. Are there any theory's on this subject and has any evidence ever come to light that may suggest that Hitler's suicide never happened?




posted on May, 11 2006 @ 10:41 PM
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Weekly World News, crap though it is, ran a story about ten years or so ago about Hitler dying in South America, his blonde wife was called Eva and he had amung his effects alot of nazi paraphenelia that wouldn't have been available to just any run of the mill nazi. There is some evidence that Hitler escaped Berlin on April 22nd, 1945. I cut out the article and looked into it later, it's actually pretty plausible. If I remember right, after the war, Stalin, when asked by Truman if Hitler was really dead, Stalin said something to the effect that he believed he was.

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Here's a good collection of Snippets..


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I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler escaped from Berlin."

When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse that could be Hitler's."

The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say conclusively that Hitler is dead."

Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would pay a claim on Adolph Hitler."

Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However, Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter, his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals, etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that Hitler committed suicide. The story at first sounds convincing, until you realized that they could have memorized a story BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in detail in real life?


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[edit on 11-5-2006 by twitchy]



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 03:27 AM
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Ummm... so whose skull (alright, partial skull) was destroyed by the soviets back in the 1970's and the ashes thrown into a river? Come on, there is plenty of evidence that Adolf shot himself in the bunker like the squalid little freak that he was. See Hugh Trevor-Roper's "The Last Days of Hitler", or the autobiography of Hitler's secretary Traudl Jung.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 03:39 AM
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Damn i wish...

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posted on May, 12 2006 @ 04:54 AM
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Back on topic though - I have always thought it could be possible that Hitler escaped to South America with Mengeles.

Have you seen the movie Boys From Brazil? Great watch if are into Nazi fiction.

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posted on May, 12 2006 @ 05:01 AM
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Yes, but how would he have got there? How the hell could the most recognisable man in the world escape from the shattered ruins of Berlin? His secretary made it out, but only because she got lucky, dumped her helmet and her group and walked out before the mass rapes started by the Soviet soldiers.
Hitler was suffering what might have been early Parkinsons - the man was a shambling dribbling wreck. The chances of him making it through the burning rubble of Berlin, trying not to get shot by trigger-happy soldiers on both sides are nil. Even then, how would he have made it out of Germany?



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 05:02 AM
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Aslong as he is dead does it really matter how it happened?



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 05:27 AM
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I've just realised that the thought of Hitler as a shambling, dribbling wreck is one that makes me violently happy. I think I need a beer. Friday is here! Relaxation! :beer:



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 05:59 AM
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In theroy it is possible that Hitler may have escaped from his Berlin bunker. Given Hitlers mental state logic would suggest that Hitler did shoot himself.
If Hitler did escape where did he go in the early post war period ?
Eastern Europe seems very unlikely he may have been able to disguise himself as a refuge for a short period of time. In the long term South America may have been an option however there is little or no evidence to support this. Im sure if there was any creditable evidence that Hilter was alive the Mossad would have been hot on his trail.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:14 AM
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Thanks for the reply's guys. It's certainly a very interesting subject. My opinion is he did escape. Like a lot of the other war criminals he could have been helped by the Vatican and smuggled out to South America. I have heard a theory in the past that Hitler went to Argentina and then on to Antartica where he ran an underground Nazi party and that Antartica was the last stronghold for the Nazi party. Thanks to twitchy for this LINK which seem to be along the same lines



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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I read an interesting piece some time back.

The basics were, when the Russians were getting close, Hitler and maybe Eva Braun were taken to an area - maybe an airstrip or maybe just a road with takeoff room - and flown out of the area in a Fiesler Storch.
The Storch an observation/STOL type aircraft.

They made a short trip to a dock area where a submarine was moored
The sub took them to Argentina where they joined a Nazi/German community that eventually numbered about 10,000.

The Germans made a life for themselves in a fertile area of Argentina and I understand that to this day, there is a large population of German speaking peoples remaining in the area.

I note that a lot of documentaries have used dental records to prove Hitler's death.
It wouldn't have been too hard to set the dental records up with X-Rays from another man who would have been sacrificed in Hitlers place.

Stories about Hitlers deteriorating mental condition could have been simply that.
Stories....



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Desert Dawg
I note that a lot of documentaries have used dental records to prove Hitler's death.
It wouldn't have been too hard to set the dental records up with X-Rays from another man who would have been sacrificed in Hitlers place.

I read somwhere that Hitler ordered that all his and the top SS guy's dental and medical records were to be detroyed toward the end of the war and the I.D on Hitlers teeth was done by memory of his dentist.

[edit on 12/5/06 by Phil123]



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 02:50 PM
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As I see it, the Allies had no choice but to claim that Hitler was dead. Anything less would have been an embarrassment, especialy if they never eventually caught-up with him. Many a Nazi fled to South America and ultimately avoided capture.

The Antarctica legends have always intrigued me. I also found The Falkland's War curious in that I never believed that things were exactly as stated re what was behind it all. Both Argentina and The Falklands are relatively close to the South Pole - and many an account claim U-boat activity in or around The Falklands in the years - even decades - after the end of WWII.

Recently I read a few accounts of an alledged scenario re "Father Krespi" from Argentina - of all places. Many claim that Hitler lived his post-WWII years under this alias. Supposedly, when this little-known, humble, Vatican-placed priest passed away in 1993, reems of Germans from all around the globe flew in for the funeral.

Hmmmmm..........



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by nephyx
Damn i wish i had hitler's skull, that would make a sweet ****


HA HA HA!!!!!!

freakin awesome.

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posted on May, 12 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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I thought he did, but I think the thing about it is. Is weither or not, him or his wife made plans for the party. I'm not sure about her, but it's him I'm worried about.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Darkmind
Ummm... so whose skull (alright, partial skull) was destroyed by the soviets back in the 1970's and the ashes thrown into a river? Come on, there is plenty of evidence that Adolf shot himself in the bunker like the squalid little freak that he was. See Hugh Trevor-Roper's "The Last Days of Hitler", or the autobiography of Hitler's secretary Traudl Jung.


Not actually as much evidence as you might think. I don't believe the Soviet Union actually released any of the information from the "autopsy" that they performed. Who's skull you ask? Hitler had 6 or more body doubles; it wouldn't surprise me if one of those was the one killed, or his death was faked all together.

I actually recall reading a direct quote from Stalin somewhere that he believed Hitler had escaped and gone into hiding; I'll see if I can dig it up.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 09:56 PM
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If that's the case, I bet he's in Flordia with Anastacia and her youngest brother Alexie, I just keep having this feeling that their in the US, in the South when I think about it. I think it's intution, but I wouldn't be surprised. Either that, or their staying with some mid-east or European royals, that the public doesn't know about to stop any "wannbe revolutionaries" to hurt them. But either side wouldn't surprise me. I like the movies about her through.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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Of course, they could of all gone to the secret Nazi bases on the moon to continue the development of new technologies until the Nazis can rise to power again.


As weird as that sounds, it's actually one of the theories of where Hitler could of possible went, in the surprisingly likely case that his suicide was artificial.


JAK

posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:07 PM
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Dusted this one off and got it down from the bookshelf: Jak



posted on May, 16 2006 @ 11:48 PM
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If you apply logic we can say that Hilter didnt escape to Antarctic .
There are two reasons I can think of.
The Antarctic climate and supply lines.
It would be very diffcult to supply a NAZI hideout in the Antarctic .
Wouldnt modern satellite imagery reveled Hitlers secret base ?



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