Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
we are born with dead spirits? That makes absolutely no sense at all. We didn't inherit any sin disease. If this is your belief, fine....but
don't preach it like it's some kind of fact...because it most certainly isn't!
Umm...pot meet kettle.
Oh wait, I think I already made that introduction in my other post.
(smile Boy, life is too short to take offense
EVERYWHERE)
See, this is where I both agree and disagree with you Excitable Boy. It does and doesn't make sense...I mean, I can understand the idea, concept,
philosophy, belief of it, etc even if it doesn't ring true to me. Surely you can do the same even if you don't believe it also?
But what I want to point out is not who I think is wrong or right there, but that this is where you, Excitable Boy, exemplify the "holier than thou"
attitude you chastize others and you attack them for! Here, in the example above you fault them for the simplicity that they proclaim their own
beliefs as if it were like some kind of fact... all because you believe the fact is you are sure they are wrong and you right! See?
This hyppocritcal thinking, and action, makes your reasoning that it is OK for you to proclaim your beliefs as fact (that others are certainly wrong
in their beliefs and their beliefs are certainly not fact) but no one else is allowed the same general courtesy in their expressions of their
beliefs/faith.
You state "We didn't inherit any sin disease." and state it as if it were a fact and continue with "...don't preach it like it is some kind of
fact" and even add the more hypocrittical "...because it most certainly isn't!" As if if the contrary, your belief is indeed certainly is a fact!
When in fact, it is only your belief spoken as fact!
I am not saying you are not entitled to your beliefs, nor that you are not entitled to state them as you have, as facts in the context of how you
believe. All I am asking that you have enough tolerance to afford others the same courtesy...to simply allow them the freedom to speak within the
context of their beliefs, what they believe to be true and factual. You do not have to believe it, but if you are going to want to debate it, at least
play by your own rules.
Now, FTR, on this particular subject, I personally do not believe we are born into sin but are born innocent. I do not believe in "original" or
"inherited" sin, but believe we are born mortal, and thus have temptations of the flesh which is to sin, and being imperfect we all will sin and
fall prey to sin, and to sin is to become dead spiritually, because sin seperates one from God spiritually, and without God there is no true life for
the spirit...but I do not believce we are born spiritually dead, spiritually stillborn or something. No, not me. Just to give my .02 on that.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
I have a question: Why do you born agains have 2 Gods? I have one higher power in my life and I choose to call him God. There isn't a second God
named Jesus.
Well, I can't speak for the "born agains" in general, but I do believe in one God myself, not two. I can tell you most
believe in a trinity, meaning God the father, God the son, and God the holy ghost are all one being and he just chooses different forms at different
times to present himself to us...so whether they pray to the father or call on Jesus himself, they are beliving it is the same God, one in the
same.
For me The word "God" is a name for the organization of the existential origin of our higher power, which consists of 3 entities, namely our Father
in Heaven, who is the father of all mankind spiritually, His Son, Jesus Christ, that is his son of spirit as we all are, and also who is His son in
the flesh, as the only begotten son of the Father in Heaven, and in the Holy Spirit which is the omnipresent spirit of God that dwells within us all
if invited, and strives with us all-invited or not! I believe in One God-the only God, the Almighty God, and that is how I believe in Him-not as one
being person known in many ways, but 3 beings, one in purpose, known as one "God."
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
My spirit isn't dead pal. I have faith and I have serenity without having to succumb to your egocentric nonsense!
Excitable boy, where is your serenity when faced with other's beliefs? I am serious. I do get irritated myself quite honestly with the audacity of
some that try to tell me emphatically that if I don't speak in tongues I've never received the Holy Spirit or I'll burn in hell for some
reason-because it's so perposterous to me!
I will discuss things with them to an extent, but if they are too ignorant, or disrespectful of me and my beliefs I have to let it go, but I do allow
them to believe what they do and express it, and I don't get too worked up about it because my sense of peace in what I do believe, not what I have
to prove to others...about my beliefs being right or theirs being wrong, you know?
But trust me, I do understand your irritation there, I hate when someone preaches their religious view to me without tolerance to even understand
mine, but you really shouldn't let it get to you.
...and don't always assume because someone is expressing their beliefs they are preaching to you. Don't look for offense.
I am preaching to you, but not about God or religion! I am just preaching about basic tolerance and respecting others-even if they don't respect you.
You know? If you want to take offense with that as well, it's your perogative, but I've tried to make you know it's not my intention-to offend.
How you respond to me will tell me more about you-if you are a typical ignorant run of the mill Christian basher, or just someone letting off some
steam when they've had enough from a particular few-so far, you seem to want to take every one on and discredit them, offend, or take offense.
Pity.
[edit on 22-5-2006 by think2much]
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