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Originally posted by darkelf
Sorry oldtimer, no one is "born a Christian. It is a choice. That's what free will is all about.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
I have to agree with darkelf..I dont like religion in the organized sense..
Originally posted by Panzeroth
Originally posted by darkelf
Sorry oldtimer, no one is "born a Christian. It is a choice. That's what free will is all about.
How is it a choice when if you decline it you are sentenced to eternity in Hell?
Originally posted by orangetom1999
And the point about AA meetings ...later is important why????
Originally posted by Panzeroth
Originally posted by orangetom1999
I have to agree with darkelf..I dont like religion in the organized sense..
You think you would have Bibles if it wasn't for this organized religion?
My point in all of this is that organized religion is a tool in Gods hands as well as His people.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
You lost me...panzeroth..why is this important about organized religions and the bible.
Originally posted by darkelf
At the risk of sounding like John Kerry, I have to say that I declined it before I accepted it. Nevertheless, whether I decline or accept it, it is still MY choice.
Originally posted by Panzeroth
Originally posted by darkelf
At the risk of sounding like John Kerry, I have to say that I declined it before I accepted it. Nevertheless, whether I decline or accept it, it is still MY choice.
Nonsense. Nobody in their right minds will ever decline it if they know (believe) they will go to Hell for it. It's not the love of God, it's the fear of Hell. Fear has, is and will always be what keeps Christendom together.
Fear as such is not taught among unbelievers..as if they should never in thier religions be subject to fear. This is one fingerprint by which I look in telling of pagan traits. No Fear is quite popular now days. Even sometimes substituting for Christianity..as it was in the pattern of the Hebrews operating in lieu of the Law.
Originally posted by darkelf
tom,
I have to disagree. My God is Jesus Christ.
1 John 4:
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
No Fear!
Originally posted by think2much
I think you are misunderstanding the concept orangetom is presenting about fear. He isn't saying Christians do or should live in fear...of course not, like you post "There is no fear in love..."
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Born again Christians, especially, seem to have a "Holier than though" mentality, which can be seen quite regularly right here on this site. And of course, they all feel that they are the only ones good enough to get into heaven, and everyone else is going to hell. Sorry, I don't buy that egocentricity.
By the way..since you dont seem to get the point about fear.. Please give me the name of your god ..by name??
I find you excitable boy, an obvious member of the Anti-Christian cult, as hypocritical and misinformed and brainwashed as any Christian could be.
Many of such, as with many of the atheist cult, often seem to tout they are so much more logical, and intelligent and reasonable than Christians, but really they are as misguided as those they accuse of being misguided. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong...why fight about it?