posted on May, 10 2006 @ 04:33 PM
I think it's impossible to tell what our Founding Fathers really intended in the formation of this country. Many quotes attributed to them support
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have
not advanced one inch towards uniformity."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of
which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the
most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it
impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the
fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will
do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation.
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places,
pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance" 1785
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been
blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
-John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross.
Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
-John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant
church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
-From The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine
COMPARE these with:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this - that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the
principles of Christianity." - John Quincy Adams
"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better
husband." - Thomas Jefferson
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts
there exhibited.... What a utopia, what a paradise would this region be." - John Adams
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
So what gives? Are there any Founding Father experts out there? I see hundreds and hundreds of quotes from these guys that contradict each other. My
guess is that their views changed over time and these quotes were taken from different time-periods. But my point, there is material that supports
both the notion that this nation was created from a Christian heritage and also that this nation was created IN ORDER so that it would be FREE from
Christian heritage. These guys bad-mouth religion and Christianity but then turn around and praise it. Maybe they publicly supported it but privately,
they were disgusted with the infringement of Christianity on the rights of men.