Falkland Islands.. gateway to Nirvana??

For years now I have been wondering , Why the doody heck did great britain send its naval fleet half way around the world to protect a few farms and sheep. supporting more sheep and penguins than people ..1800 total.

I was actually involved in research and development and production to re-supply the forces with anything from advanced communications,bomb release mechanisms,guidance systems etc after the war against argentina… not the aftermath of diego maradonna,s ‘hand of god’world cup football victory either..

I just could not understand why great Britain was so adamant on victory on a couple of islands with no justifiable territorial claim. I mean c,mon!!!…British owned??…. on the coast of South America??

One soldier died for every two people on the island’both sides’
The UK had also denied Falkland Islanders full British citizenship under the British Nationality Act 1981 anyway.

I just stumbled across some very interesting and quite authentic looking info on..

Missing nazi high ranked personnel… 250,000??
Missing nazi u-boats?
Uboats sank on apparently non military missions?
Underground naval bases

Genuine looking reports from named senior officials of sorties to investigate allegations of a top secret nazi base in the Antarctic inc Covert operations launched to investigate such rumours … ie "Operation Highjump".?

Experiments to develop a super soldier

Polar Men, ancient tunnels and Nazis?

Theories of atlantis

Hidden/stolen treasures and secrets’?

use of atomic bombs for mineral research"????? yeah right!!!

www.nexusmagazine.com...
www.nexusmagazine.com...
www.nexusmagazine.com...

Reports of strange killings/sightings

www.unexplainable.net...
www.informantnews.com...

half a million year old life

www.guardian.co.uk...

so with the current discussions of nazi bases on the moon and evident available technology to almost support such a claim I have to ask

was the Falklands war really about the best strategic access to a secret base in the Antarctic?

Is the secret base really a gateway to the ‘moonbases’ discussed

There is also talk of talk of a 30,000 year old frozen microbe ‘revived’ after being discovered in Antarctica,frozen,with talk of harnessing the mechanisms involved,ie searching for the holy grail of suspended animation and successful revival

when are we gonna be privileged with some info when the everyday taxpayer is paying for these expeditions

Are we so sensitive or ignorant that we cannot be privy to what is really going on?

Will our minds really explode or go into a panic at the suggestion of some alternative form of life?

While I realize some of these suggestions have been covered separately, it seems that a lot of this is tied in together

Does anyone have anymore info or theories about this?

I really would like to know if the Falklands war was really about convenient,secure and remote naval and air access to secret locations in Antarctica.

Answers on a postcard please!!:

OOPS Hey MODS. could you please put this in skunk works please thnx

[edit on 10-5-2006 by AGENT_T]

Ummm... well, let's look at the location. The Falklands were taken over by Britain because we needed a base in the area. The Falklands were a good location for a coaling station for the Royal Navy, while we had the big whaling base in South Georgia. That was it, pure and simple (that's why we took over St Helena and Ascension Island as well - naval bases). It remained a colonial hangover for years after the rest of the Empire was given independence.
There was a vague hope that one day the islanders would agree to accept Argentinean sovereignty over the islands, but they're descended from Scottish and Welsh sheep farmers, so they're stubborn buggers. Putting Nicholas Ridley in charge of the diplomatic team was not one of Maggie's better ideas either, as the man was a rude idiot. The plan was half-hearted at best and was shot down.
Then the Argentinean Junta, which had a collective IQ of about 3.5, decided that the best way of taking people's minds off a) the collapsing economy and b) the death squads that would arrest innocent people, torture them brutally and then kill them, was to invade the Falklands. The Junta were a bunch of right-wing military idiots who had no idea how to react if the British fought for the islands.
Maggie was caught in a cleft stick. The fact that the Argentineans used brute force to take the islands (all the dead were Argentinean by the way) outraged the country and caused a political crisis that only ended when Foreign Secretary Lord Carrington did the honourable thing and fell on his own sword. She had to take a tough stance and mobilised the Fleet. In the process she became rather popular.
Negotiations started by Alexander Haig did take place, but the fact that the Argentineans kept agreeing to certain things and then taking them back once Haig's plane had just taken off, meant that they never got very far.
The rest is history.
The Islands had to be taken back for a number of other reasons though - to do otherwise would have sent off a number of bad signals about other controversial areas claimed by other countries - such as Gibralter and Hong Kong. And there was no way that we were going to give in to a bunch of cheap fascist thugs.
And by the way - the South Pole is a very bad place to launch rockets from, as they tend to be delicate flowers and get brittle in cold. It's also a bad place to have a base. Where do the supplies come from?

I completely agree about the rocket to the moon scenario,those babies ice up enough in the middle of a scorching desert launch.,cornetto anyone??but high tech craft able to "fly pole to pole" at an incredible rate had been reported

Whaling in south georgia was closed on 15 Dec. 1965, the end of South Georgia whaling. Caretakers left in Jan. 1966 so a need for local navy protection was kinda pointless.

it,s source of economy seems to be only from stamps and sheep.The former, allegedley released as a commemoration of ownership,depicted areas of antarctica overlooking chile and argentina,s claim on same said stretch of antarctica.Of course provoking another international incident.For what reason? military excursion were already taking place before 'operation highjump' to clear a nazi presence there so Great Britain could claim rights over territory and any technology found/developed there.

As you said its so ridiculously out of the way it would be in constant need for all supplies. hence the falklands as a supply route.Very expensive to maintain especially since a financially crippling world war had just finished

So why??.What,s so important there??

BTW The Piri Reis map.. of antarctica allegedley before is started snowing there.. a lot!! has all but been debunked as the bending of south america to save parchment space.including what seems to be the falklands.Just a useless bit of info there.

We needed territories close to Antarctica in order to maintain a claim on the mineral reserves there, should they ever become available. Can't have the Argies and Chileans getting all that lovely oil/coal/gold/diamond/platinum or whatever
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As you can see in this map a large part of the territory that we lay claim to overlaps with that claimed by Argentina.

Although the Antarctic Treaty prevents mineral exploitation at present, that may not always be the case.

Besides which, the Falkland Islanders are more British that most of the folk in London. And us Brits tend to help each other in time of need, regardless.

Of course the real reason we went to war with Argentina was that a sucessful outcome was necessary to divert public attention from problems at home and to ensure Maggie won the next election. But don't tell anyone!

(Hmmm did we (or the CIA) tell the Argies that we wouldn't retaliate if they invaded, in order to make them invade, in order that we could then retaliate after all and win? Had there been no invasion, we could have ended up with a return to a Labour Govt. Something which at the time the USA didn't want either

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Interesting thread

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[edit on 11-5-2006 by sanctum]

The Falklands themselves are useless, but their's oil off the coast.

Thanks for the map essan. it kinda puts in perspective some of the absolutely ridiculous claims on this last,hopefully unspoilt continent.

uk russia and ukraine have to be the most ridiculous in the terms of territorial claim in regards to proximity of said countries.why no south africa??

ok just dug up some more info on goings on around antarctica

www.beyondweird.com...

This article makes further claims about nazi bases from''says 1838 but i assume a typo'' 1938 ''including hunters, trappers, collectors and
zoologists, botanists, agriculturists, plant specialists, mycologists,
parasitologists, marine biologists, ornithologists, and many others''..

To develop and build everything from cyborgs to anti-gravity discs

A lot of the things i am coming across have UNBELIVABLE links to alien alliances,space flight technology and nsa/cia/ultra involvement

Recent rumors of “a HAARP-like project” near the South Pole,
www.enterprisemission.com...

AND.. guess what??.. if they find anything of interest ''scientifically or historically''they will not be informing any of us as it falls under nsa ruling,check out the brookings report. it goes for anything found on mars.life or artifacts,also for ANY instances of life or vegetationd found from antarctica to europa. remember Enceladus??

Big nasa anouncement followed by a retraction then a relatively uninspiring declaration of discovery of ice/water

Is someone having a joke here??I,m really getting kinda sick of other people deciding what we should and shouldnt be told

ps. please feel free to digress on this thread on any matter regarding antarctica or otherwise

Cool site here
www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

Havent been through most of it yet too.will update but lake vostok magnetic anomally is looking very interesting

uk russia and ukraine have to be the most ridiculous in the terms of territorial claim in regards to proximity of said countries.why no south africa??

Why should Geographical proximity have anything to do with claims? It's always, throughout history, been whoever can plant their flag first and keep it there.

1. 1592 - British sighting by Capt Davis
2. 1600 - Plotted by Dutchman Sebald de Weert
3. 1690 - British landing by Capt Strong
4. 1764 - First French settlement by de Bougainville
5. 1765 - British landing by Capt Byron
6. 1766 - British settlement by Capt MacBride
7. 1767 - French settlement handed over to Spanish control
8. 1770 - Spain expelled British colonists
9. 1771 - Britain allowed to return, but Spain reserved right to sovereignty
10. 1774 - British colony abandoned
11. 1820 - Recently-independent Argentina took possession
12. 1831 - US declared the island "free of government"
13. 1833 - Britain took possession from Argentina
14. 1842 - Britain declared colonial administration
Argentina - continued to claim Falklands/Malvinas

you see my point. much ado about nothing.

if anything the french had more of a claim as they were the first settlers but de Bougainville was compensated to sail away.bought off by the spanish.

we all know thatcher was desperate to establish herself as a strong pm to win over the public for re-election.

but wouldn,t it have been cheaper to invade france for selling out in the first place??



as for antarctica the first settlers were english and american seal bashers so yeah i do see a valid argument for uk claim.but since they didnt exactly 'live there' it,s back to a bit of a grey area

here,s a funny fact regarding territorial claim.of the 16 countries doing scientific research.only the americans have decided to police their claim and any unclaimed areas with deputy us marshalls.Hmm.Big of them to assign themselves the duty.

Thanks for looking out for the rest of us once again

Essan said it.

Falkland Islands have a lot to do with Antarctica.

Falkland islands gets you the Sandwich Islands, and those two combined get you a pretty nice big claim on Antarctica. Of course those claims aren't recognized, but, they provide some casus belli if push comes to shove sometime in the future when Antarctic resources begin to look more lucrative.

But that's the long view. The short view has to do with politics and nationalism and, as Essan said, helping out your fellow countrymen, who were under occupation, if only for a short time.

I was going to start a thread on this myself, but never got around to it, except it wouldn't have been about UFO's, just about the Antarctic connection to the Falklands... prolly better suited to PTS...

[edit on 10-5-2006 by koji_K]

Originally posted by Darkmindthe South Pole is a very bad place to launch rockets from, as they tend to be delicate flowers and get brittle in cold.

Isn't a little bit colder in space than at the South Pole?

The poles are a bad place to launch rockets because rockets use the earth's rotation to give them a little extra push towards escape velocity. This is why most launch stations tend to be close to the equator.

However, if you're not using rockets, then Antarctica buys you some privacy, at least.

And for the poster who said that all the casualties were on the Argentinian side, he's forgetting the attack on the HMS Sheffield.

And Galtieri wasn't the only one using the war as a distraction. People forget that Thatch was going through some pretty bad poll action until the war - the "Falklands factor" was widely hypothesised as the reason she won the following election.

I can remember watching News At Ten and seeing the "and finally..." humorous story being a report on how Argentinian servicemen had raised their flag on South Georgia. I still recall it being a real "wtf"? moment. If I thought that, how come no-one in the Foreign office did? I'm not at all sure that Thatch and Carrington didn't LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) to take our minds off domestic problems.

Someone alluded to this earlier in the thread, but I'll reinforce it.

There are potentially huge oil reserves around the Falkland Islands.

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by Darkmindthe South Pole is a very bad place to launch rockets from, as they tend to be delicate flowers and get brittle in cold.

Isn't a little bit colder in space than at the South Pole?

Yes, but getting things into space can be a bit of a nightmare. It took years for the space industry to get it right with something as simple as a rocket. In about 1960 something like 50% of all launches were failures - they blew up on the pad, or in the air, often because some small piece of metal opened when it should have closed, or fell off and hit something. Even now there have been some spectacular failures from malfunctioning parts. There's an article in the April edition of Reinsurance on this.
And don't forget about Challenger - on the morning of the launch there were a lot of engineers who were hoping that it wouldn't blow up on the pad due to the cold of the previous night. And that was in Florida. Imagine the problems you'd have in Antarctica! Extreme cold has a bad effect on all kinds of liquids and computer parts - and you only have to have one small thing go wrong to get a big old firework exploding in front of you!

Neformore and Nakash

not just potential oil it seems too,also exploration for gold and diamonds.
I still think it was for a few old sheep farmers now... NOT!!
www.falklands-oil.com...

I betcha Bush,s ears pricked up when he heard this..

Also do you not think the Argentinian government will be re-asserting their territorial claim if anything is produced.Hmm 'Falklands war part II'


Antartcica again..

''Do you know that the missile you're sitting on has been built by the lowest bidder?
actual radio transmission by Mercury astronaut Alan Shepard

never was a truer word spoken,

You shold have seen some of the cr*p we were putting together to win a bid for a new contract.

So you know.human manufacture error and poorly costed equipment has a far more significant effect in the failure of these craft than a chilly night or two.Also there is almost no significant winds noted usually, so even wind chill would not be such a factor for rockets.. untill it starts reaching escape velocity at altitude which will not be significantly different from florida anyway.

Just wondering if anyone has any speculation on what type of craft that the nazis could have designed/built in the antarctic capable of immensely fast pole to pole travel.I know they were fanatical about using saucer shaped craft

Maybe that could have led to a significant amount of the sightings of flying saucers in us as most of these were transferred the post second world war

AHEM!! anyway here,s a really cool site showing a rather friendly/conspiracy free looking 360 degree picture of dome c that u can zoom in and out a little

www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/Concordia.html

they had drill down to about 40,000yrs ago but problems meant they had to start at a different site

further down they discuss possibilities of building a mere 4 metre optical telescope that would rival hubble,s images a significant proportion of the time

So basically scientists are having a whale 'pardon the intended pun' of a time.

gotta get me some of that natural antifreeze
www.enchantedlearning.com...

With such a rich abundance of information to be had can you honestly say there are no covert operations being conducted there??
www.rense.com...

ALSO

''The communiqué which had vanished from the electronic medium would have read thus: “ANTARCTIC CARTOGRAPHIC MISSION INTERRUPTED DUE TO N.S.A. OVERRIDE,” adding that NASA spokesperson Ms. Shingteller had alluded to “matters of national security” which necessitated the termination of both space exploration agencies’ involvement in the research initiatives at Lake Vostok. After saying these words, the spokeswoman was escorted from the podium while her assistant responded to the inevitable questions from the press core with a rote sentence: “The project has been cancelled due to environmental reasons.”

Shortly after this event, JPL’s Frank D. Carsey tried to put an end to the rumors by saying that the wrong acronym had been employed, and “NSA intervention” should have been “NSF intervention,” given the National Science’s Foundation assumption of the NASA’s drilling operations, arising from the fact that the space agency’s funds had been exhausted. ''
seekers.100megs6.com...

Have fun,gonna see what else i can find.running out of characters anyway

SOME ''UPDATES'' / LINKS

Looking like there,s quite a few reasonably believable reports of what might have been going on originally

www.magonia.demon.co.uk...


in August of 1939 the RFZ 5 in its first flight to ANTARCTICA in NEU-SCHABENLAND it reached the speed of 4.500 Km/h and, not very later, 15.000 Km/h


By 1939 the SS had produced the RFC-5, which it called the Haunebu 1. In August 1939 the machine made its maiden flight and proved its viability, being more than 65 foot in diameter and offering considerable storage space. By the end of 1940 the RFC-2 (Haunebu II) had entered service as a reconnaissance aircraft and there is certainly photographic evidence to support this, for example an RFC-2 was photographed near ANTARCTICA in 1940

The HAUNEBU III, with about 70 diameter meters, it flew to 7.000 Km/h, close of the ground, could reach 40.000 Km/h at 24.000 altitude meters
www.stevequayle.com...


It is believed that all of the mysterious Haunebu craft were evacuated to a sanctuary outside of Third Reich borders; to Neu Schwabenland, ANTARCTICA - Base 211, constructed during the war.

PROJECT HIGHJUMP..ANTARCTICA

The task force of OVER 40 SHIPS, included the flagship "Mount Olympus", the aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea", the seaplane tender "Pine Sea", the submarine "Senate", the destroyer "Bronson", the ice breaker "Northwind", and other tanker and supply ships. An armed contingent of 1400 sailors, and three dog sled teams were also on board.

Grand Admiral Karl Doenitz stated in 1943, "The German submarine fleet is
proud of having built for the Fuehrer in another part of the world a
Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress." And it has been reported that
U.S. Admiral Richard Byrd, upon his return from an expedition to ANTARCTICA
in 1947, stated it was "necessary for the USA to take defensive actions
against enemy air fighters which come from
the polar regions" and that America could be "attacked by fighters that are
able to fly from one pole to the other with incredible speed

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

About a year after the war in the Falkland Islands was over..I turned on my shortwave set and began to fix some breakfast after getting off work. Tuned to the BBC World Wide Service I heard the BBC announce that the British Government was taking bids for oil leases off the Falkland Islands.

THe question was not only why did the Brits take back the Falkland Islands but also why did the Argentines want it in the first place. I can assure you they did not want the sheep grazing there.

At this time in their History Argentina was heavily in debt to the world banks and had a shakey economy. Access to oil would solidify their cash supply and allow them to pay off their debts. But to do this they would have to enter the oil market as a independent and sell oil for their own benifit..meaning as a independent.
This is not allowed in the controlled oil market as Saddam found out. The Royal Navy and Army were sent to reclaim the Islands for the UK and hence limit access to this oil field/fields. These fields today are kept in storage so as not do depress the price of oil further than desired.

ON the subject of Saddam..his real crime was not killing so many thousands of his people. His crime was selling oil through the "Oil for Food " program as a independent and selling below the authorized official price. Saddam had found a way around the big boys and was selling oil as a independent... a free agent. This is Saddams real crime in a rigged market.

Dont let anyone kid you ..the Iraqi oil like the Oil off the Falklands is in storage so as not to affect the world wide price the rigged market demands. Any time the Iraqis look like they are going to get the oil pipelines or refinerys going they get blasted by a bomb or such. War is a perfect cover for keeping resources bottled up and off the market if so desired until the price moves where desired.

The Falklands Islands war..was a cover for keeping this oil off the market and free lance competitors out. Same with the Iraq war. THe same pattern will hold if Iran falls.

Its a rigged show folks.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by AGENT_T
By 1939 the SS had produced the RFC-5, which it called the Haunebu 1. In August 1939 the machine made its maiden flight and proved its viability, being more than 65 foot in diameter and offering considerable storage space. By the end of 1940 the RFC-2 (Haunebu II) had entered service as a reconnaissance aircraft and there is certainly photographic evidence to support this, for example an RFC-2 was photographed near ANTARCTICA in 1940

The HAUNEBU III, with about 70 diameter meters, it flew to 7.000 Km/h, close of the ground, could reach 40.000 Km/h at 24.000 altitude meters
www.stevequayle.com...

Oookay.... lets pause for moment, just a moment, take the above seriously. If they existed then they must have been the most bloody awful reconnaissance craft ever built, in that from 1942 to 1945 they missed every single Allied offensive build up. If these wonder things had existed then they would certainly have exposed Fortitude North and Fortitude South, the two British-run deception plans to make screwy Adolf believe that a) there was a British-Norweigan army in Scotland ready to invade Norway and b) that Patton was going to lead the 1st US Army Group over the Straits of Dover and attack at the Pas des Calais.
And they certainly would have spotted the Soviet buildup to Operation Bagration, which tore the guts out of the Wehrmacht in July 1944.
But they didn't. Which makes me somewhat suspicious...

Maybe the test pilots had other things on their minds. i cant imagine them having enough time to do any sightseeing

What a buzz though..Just a little faster than a crappy old cessna

I'm posting here cause this came up in a search for Haunebu.
Perhaps they were in Roswell and Antarctica.
I'm doing my post of the day here as well:

The begining according to author Lyne in 'Pentagon Aliens":


From the moment that the electro-propulsive saucer's full potential became evident in the
early 1930s, forward to the present, rocket projects have been a cover for the "real thing", and
ironically, this sham was first actualized in 1937, at Los Alamos, New Mexico, based on stolen
Tesla technology, under the tutelage of Wernher von Braun. Hitler had appointed the Prussian
Illuminist as "Herr Doktor Professor of Research" and project leader to run his Vergeltungswaffen
("revenge weapon") center at Peenemunde, before his collaboration with the American rocket
pioneer, Dr. Robert Goddard, at his laboratory in Mescalero, New Mexico, and rocket test site at
Eden Valley, New Mexico.1 Afterward, von Braun would never allow the high priority ("p2",
"KT-p2") 'space travel' project to be too far away from his watchful eye. While collaborating with
Goddard at Mescalero, von Braun ran the Illuminati flying saucer project at Los Alamos called
"p2", between 1936 and 1938!2 He was given a leave of absence by Hitler for this espionage, and
was brought to America by the Smithsonian Institution, the Guggenheim Foundation, and the
American Rocket Society, who financed his work and paid for his trip!


So American investments started it off, developed till the end of WWII,
some went to Roswell NM and others to Antartica (see Operation High Jump
on the web) some are now triangles in UK and Europe.

Note disc of lightning at craft bottom where Tesla flat coil is located.
If you see tube type you will see beam of light at front and back both
downward and upward directed, perpendicular to motion of flight
and perpendicular to radial magnetic field of the pancake coil.

Well see videos at google and youtube.

Still looking for a rare Haunebu picture.