I saw King Kong - I WAS SHOCKED

Originally posted by chissler
Well for one, I think the staff should deffinately be having a look at a post up a spot or two. Deffinately no need of some of that on ATS.

As for the film, something inside me pushed me to see it. With the extra push I had my girlfriend watch it. By the end of the film she was crying like a baby and I was ready to stand up and clap. Far exceeded any expectation I had, even with the length of the film.

You can break down the movie into sections.

1- The voyage to Skull Island

2- Skull Island

3- Kong Comes to America

The charachter of Kong himself was done like no other. This is what really made the film what it was. The audience connected with an ape who never had one line in the film, not exactly an easy task.

Great Film!

Why are you trying to stifle discussion?

Why?




well done .you are the only one who has conjured up more than a paragraph unlike some other people i could mention.

however you are still wrong

Look why do you insist on trying to delude yourself that King Kong is not racist?


its called pavlovian conditioning.
blacks are being associated with bad things in the film so that when you
see a black you will think bad things about blacks.

i have more proof:-


stangoff.com...


i quote...
blacks are a threat whites by being portrayed as black sexual monsters who instill fears in whites...



i further quote...

King Kong and the White Woman
Filed under: General, Gender, Race & Nation
By Stan at 4:16 am, 9/1/05

King Kong and the White Woman: Hustler Magazine and the Demonization of Black Masculinity

Published in Journal of Violence Against Women, 1998, Vol. 4 No 3, (291-307)

by Gail Dines

From the box office success of The Birth of a Nation in 1915 to the national obsession with O.J. Simpson, the image of the black male as the spoiler of white womanhood has been a staple of media representation in this country. The demonization by the media of black men as rapists and murderers has been well documented by scholars interested in film (Carby, 1993; Guerrero, 1993; Mercer, 1994; Snead, 1994; Wiegman, 1993; Winston, 1982), news (Entman, 1990; Gray, 1989) and rap music (Dyson, 1993; Rose, 1994th........e ck men as outside the “normal” realm of (white) masculinity by constructing them as “other” (Wiegman, 1993). Although both the “Uncle Tom” and the sexual monster continue to define the limits of black male representation in mainstream media, it is the latter image which dominates, and, according to Mercer (1994), serves to legitimize racist practices such as mass incarceration of black men, police brutality and right-wing government policy.

Recently, scholars have turned their attention to pornography (Cowan & Campbell, 1994; Forna, 1992; Mayall amd Russell, 1993; Mercer, 1994) and............. black male body, especially the penis, as dangerous and a threat to white male power............

Of the hundreds of mass-produced, mass-distributed pornography magazines the three best sellers are Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler (Osanka, 1989). While these three magazines are often lumped together they differ marked............. editorials, constructs a world populated by working-class whites who live in trailer homes, eat in fast-food restaurants and wear ill-fitting clothes. While blacks are absent from most sections of the magazine, they appear regularly in caricatured form in the cartoons where they are depicted as competing with white men for the few sexually available white women. Hustler cartoons depict a world filled with seething racial tensions brought about by the black male’s alleged insatiable appetite for white women. The competition between black and white men and the ultimate victory of the black male is the source of much “humor” in Hustler c.........., what happens if black masculinity is allowed to go uncontained. ....... myth where black masculinity, having been allowed to run amok because of liberal policies, has final

part 2:



....abuse of white women by black men began appearing in the late 1970s and by the mid-1980s, Hustler was running an average of 2-3 such cartoons an issue. Hustler was by no means the first to produce such as image but it is probably the first mass-distributed cultural product (albeit in caricatured form) to visually depict an enormous black penis actually doing severe physical damage to the vagina of a small white women.....


READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE.

at:-

stangoff.com...



SEE?

THIS SCHOLARLY ARTICLE VINDICATES MY EVIDENCE BASED PROPOSTION.

That King Kong is designed to promote race hatred and devision to increase racial tensions to profit those who benefit from these tensions and hatred....

Peter Jackson must be racist and even in the Lord of the Rings all evil was portrayed as black while whites and blondes were all good.


We wonder why Peter Jackson is such.......BLANK BLANK .

I find the only way that these ideas about king kong and lotr being racist propaganda become so wide spread is when people exagerate them so much....as in this case. The use of colour in films is used to show opposites eg. Black and white. Black in a film doesn't represent black people as such.

Films are not reality, they represent a fictional world....thats why its a film, not a documentary. What happens in film is not a real represenation of the real world. So messages from most films cannot be used in context with reality.

Yeah that "Saruman the WHITE" was such a nice guy... But generally good and evil has always been protrayed as light and dark, or black a white. It has nothing to do with White or Black people though, regardless of how you like to twist things to appear so.

Anyway, i've wasted more then enough time in this sad excuse of a thread.

[edit on 12-5-2006 by jra]

If you'd notice in LotR, Saruman is originally a good character, and the colours of the wizards show rank, white being the best of course

He's shown later in a darker colour, so the white no longer applies there. Gandalf takes over and he is in the white, Saruman in the darker robe. Opposites again....dramatical effect.

wow and I thought all these religious people making a big deal out of Narnia and now, The Davinci code, was bad.

Dude...repeat after me: "Its only a Movie. I go to the movies to be entertained.I pay to see the movie. When I am paid to see it, thats when I will analyze it."

In the meantime. Next time take your chick, a big barrel of popcorn, cut a hole in the bottom and put the barrel in your lap..you won't concentrate on the movie so much when she grabs that handful of popcorn.

Intense hatred for blacks? Methinks you need to get out more. You don't know any of the people you are accusing of hating blacks, so I would calm your rhetorical excesses a trifle, if I were you.

Banana's as evidence of racial stereotyping? Nope. I like banana's because they are such a pretty shade of yellow and they taste good, and are good for me .

lol its a film thats all, get a grip and either yove got a giant chip on your shoulder, or u have nothing better to do in your life than see things that really arnt there, which leads me to belive you have some issues that need addresing.

can i just ask if the film is any good as ive not seen it yet, but then again would i be branded a racisit for watching ?

[edit on 12-5-2006 by u4ria]

It's my opinion that the original movie did contain a certain racial stereotype, reflected as it were, from the era it was created in.

That said, these elements - the blonde, the natives, the giant gorilla - are essential to the movie. Could Peter Jackson even remade King Kong without them? Sure, Fay Rae could have been dark haired, or black. But in doing an homage to the original, I'd think he simply chose to keep the key original 'props'. Could he have made the movie without the natives? No, not and do a remake of the original movie.

There was a time when western man, discovering other cultures, found them dark and mysterious. And since we're prancing over words here in this thread, I mean dark as in obscured. It's happenstance that their skin is black. Their purpose in the movie is to add mystery, to help the reader/viewer suspend their disbelief in order to prepare for something completely illogical - the giant ape.

And you can't make a movie called King kong without a giant ape.

I don't believe that this makes Peter Jackson racist by any means.

@ Thread starter: You are a danger to society. I hope you don't have kids.

I guess Moby Dick is white on white racism?
Stop being a twat, gorillas are black, black people are black, white people are white. You can't alter that just because it isn't political correct enough for your needs.

[edit on 12-5-2006 by Panzeroth]

Geez.....I can't beleive what I just read here.....KING KONG a Racist Movie?
Boy you need to relax a bit I think.

Originally posted by toogood
Geez.....I can't beleive what I just read here.....KING KONG a Racist Movie?
Boy you need to relax a bit I think.

When good people do nothing then evil triumphs.

Thanks to people like you.

You have never suffered racist abuse and think its a joke.

Living in your subarban condominium with your 2.6 kids and your 2 gas guzzler 4x4 in the drive way you are clearly isolated from reality.

Every single day your fellow humans suffer and you dont care.


Peter Jackson is fat with a beard and moustache and wears glasses and he made this film deliberately racist to divert attention due to his frustration in getting a girl to go out with him.

Originally posted by esecallum

Originally posted by toogood
Geez.....I can't beleive what I just read here.....KING KONG a Racist Movie?
Boy you need to relax a bit I think.

When good people do nothing then evil triumphs.

Thanks to people like you.

You have never suffered racist abuse and think its a joke.

Living in your subarban condominium with your 2.6 kids and your 2 gas guzzler 4x4 in the drive way you are clearly isolated from reality.

Every single day your fellow humans suffer and you dont care.


Peter Jackson is fat with a beard and moustache and wears glasses and he made this film deliberately racist to divert attention due to his frustration in getting a girl to go out with him.

When good people do nothing then evil triumphs.

Thanks to people like you.

You have never suffered racist abuse and think its a joke.

Living in your subarban condominium with your 2.6 kids and your 2 gas guzzler 4x4 in the drive way you are clearly isolated from reality.

Every single day your fellow humans suffer and you dont care.


Examining a image of Peter Jackson I notice he is quite fat and pudgey...i.e... is fat with a beard and moustache and wears glasses and this may explain why he made this film deliberately racist to divert attention from himself due to his frustration in getting a girl to go out with him.

Thus by putting down blacks and making them look dumb and stupid he makes himself feel superior.

This is called transference of inferiority oblangata.

OMG!

I have dark hair but my youngest brother's hair is blonde. Is he a racist?
OMGHITLERJUGEND!

I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I can't help it...(sorry).

esecallum. I suppose you know a bigot when you see one. You obviously know bigotry when you see it, because your last post was full of said bigotry. Fat pudgy guy with glasses who can't get a girl? My, my... how enlightened you are. Phooey! Why don't you rail against real racism which exists in the real world. Instead you pick "King Kong"? Why not choose a real issue? Lots to choose from...

esecallum

Do us a favour and check your ego at the door.

I do apoligize if my post got in the way of your ridiculous rant. Attempting to stifle the discussion? What?

I responded with my opinion to the King Kong movie. This thread was created to discuss the movie, not solely discuss your ratial angel.

however you are still wrong

Look why do you insist on trying to delude yourself that King Kong is not racist?

Please show me where I ever said King Kong was or was not racist, or anything for that matter? I simply posted an opinion. You would have noticed this if your ego was not getting in your way.

I do apoligise to the other members for feeding this troll, but I couldn't bite my tongue on this one.


[edit on 14-5-2006 by chissler]

Originally posted by chissler
esecallum

Do us a favour and check your ego at the door.

I do apoligize if my post got in the way of your ridiculous rant. Attempting to stifle the discussion? What?

I responded with my opinion to the King Kong movie. This thread was created to discuss the movie, not solely discuss your ratial angel.

however you are still wrong

Look why do you insist on trying to delude yourself that King Kong is not racist?

Please show me where I ever said King Kong was or was not racist, or anything for that matter? I simply posted an opinion. You would have noticed this if your ego was not getting in your way.

I do apoligise to the other members for feeding this troll, but I couldn't bite my tongue on this one.


[edit on 14-5-2006 by chissler]

Look chisslet i posted references which proved me right.

yet you ignore those and accuse me of egotism.

WHEN YOU GO TO A BLACK FAMILY HOUSE ARE YOU REALLY GREETED LIKE THAT?

I ASK YOU.

as in the Skull Island encounter?

Just look at it again.

i mean that hideous face paint...

THE MOST GOD DAMNED AWFUL SCREACHING AND SCREAMING AND HOWLING...

THE BANGING OF DRUMS...

SPEARS BEING WAVED IN A THREATENING MANNER...

BANSHEE HOWELS...

THREATENING GESTURES....

DO I NEED TO GO ON?

THE SCENE WAS SO EMBARESSING I HAD TO AVERT MY GAZE AFTER A WHILE.

Your pathetic excuse is that because its a remake of the 1933 film thats its racism is acceptable.

next you will be saying slavery is acceptable...lets bring it back..


I AM SO ANGERY AND ENRAGED AT YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

Originally posted by seagull
I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but I can't help it...(sorry).

esecallum. I suppose you know a bigot when you see one. You obviously know bigotry when you see it, because your last post was full of said bigotry. Fat pudgy guy with glasses who can't get a girl? My, my... how enlightened you are. Phooey! Why don't you rail against real racism which exists in the real world. Instead you pick "King Kong"? Why not choose a real issue? Lots to choose from...

LOOK SEAGULL I AM NOT A BIGOT. OK?

I AM AGAINST BIGOTERY.

i was not calling him names..ok?

you got that?

i was merely observing and comparing him against current norms of visual appearence.

i dare say you have called obese people fat or fatty and made fun of them in your lifetime so dont try to appear holier then thou with me.

I was merely trying to ascertain as to why Peter JACKSON MADE THIS HIDEOUS FILM.

ok?

its a well known pyschological fact that people with problems often express then in their output.

by making blacks appear stupid and look inferior he messages his ego by feeling superior by using the pecking order symbolism.he was bullied therefore he bullies the next one below him..i.e blacks.

its very probable at school he was bullied and called names.

do you understand now?

Originally posted by esecallum

THE MOST GOD DAMNED AWFUL SCREACHING AND SCREAMING AND HOWLING...

THE BANGING OF DRUMS...

SPEARS BEING WAVED IN A THREATENING MANNER...

BANSHEE HOWELS...

THREATENING GESTURES....

THE SCENE WAS SO EMBARESSING I HAD TO AVERT MY GAZE AFTER A WHILE.

I AM SO ANGERY AND ENRAGED AT YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

Pray tell, how would you have produced such a movie? Would you have had the tribesmen of a previously unexplored Island to be wearing Georgio Armani Suits and to be waving around AK-47's and attache cases that shoot Missiles?!
I think that you have not seen tribesmen from Africa as well as Aboriginals from down under who still to this day carry spears and wear traditional tribal markings and body paint. Are you denying their past too?It was an UNEXPLORED UNCIVILISED UNCHARTED Island. If you think it could have been done better I suggest maybe you write a screenplay yourself. Your accusations are a little over the top and your enragement is self inflicted over nothing.