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reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 01:42 AM by orangetom1999
Originally posted by popek
i apologise for my continent!

but seriously
i think firearm control is needed in the US
your gun murder rate is insane
having said that most handguns used for murder are illegally owned so im guessing the only real way to cut back on it is to destroy a lot of the guns existing in the US


No need to apologise to me for your content. You are entitled to your opinions. Also I am a big boy and can take it. No problem.

Actually popek...what is needed is some concept to improve the character of our people. Not gun control.

However ...if you develope the character and character traits of the people ...they might figure out we dont need as much benevolent government to look out for us and take the risks for us in our daily lives. Translate that as we dont need many politicians and government employees on jobs programs. This will never be allowed. This is why I say our politicians are European trained. This is exactly the scenerio one finds in most European nations.

There is something very dubious and untrustworthy about a government who will arm you to fight and die for them but not trust you with a firearm of your own. I would even go so far as to say it is immoral or unethical of the government.

As I said to someone in another board... someone in the UK..we are not subjects here and have no desire to be subjects. Subjects are granted priveleges by a benevolent government...that is why they are subjects. They dont have Rights but priveleges. Priveleges can be revoked at the pleasure of the Soverign...not so with Rights.
In judical jurisprudence this is called Admiralty Law. The laws of the sea and maritime enroaching on land..the Law of the Soverign. Not for us here in the United States.

Thanks,
Orangetom



reply posted on 9-10-2006 @ 02:26 AM by orangetom1999
Originally posted by popek
i agree a lot with that orangetom

however british people get very jumpy about guns
obviously being a much smaller country something that happens th other end of the country is still worryingly close to home

the dunblane massacre really paved the way for the gun ban where a nut case walked into a school and killed 15 little children and their teacher it pretty much put the whole country against guns
to the point the British Olympic pistol team have to train outide the UK!




Yeah..Ive heard that about the Australian olympic shooting team too. That is the difference in rights and priveleges. That is how it is handled in the UK and Down Under.

Once again ..something very immoral about a government acting thus..and then wanting you to send your young people to the Army etc to take risks for the government with a gun but cannot own one privately.

Here in America we also have private ownership of property...private property. This does not exist in many nations. Under such nations you must at law prove your innocence...not presumption of innocence.

In taking our guns the position of the government is.... we are gulity to begin with ..having committed no crime... and then take from us our private property. It is a presumption of guilt in order to seize private property....not an American principle..once again......our European trained politicians at work. Our schools and colleges here are attempting by the generations to teach the European model and thinking....prively to a unthinking generation.

You must be up standing the night watchs...as am I.

Thanks,
Orangetom


reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 09:00 AM by thelibra
My friends, I request your input on this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The success and long-lasting nature of this thread finally led me to the conclusion we need a "Survivalists" forum. At the very least, a research project, but I think there's more than enough material to fill a forum. I would like each of you to weigh in on that thread with your thoughts, if you would be so kind.

Each of you has had some very valuable input and insight regarding this thread. Together we can help the more intelligent and prepared amonst us survive in Situation X.


reply posted on 13-10-2006 @ 02:22 PM by thelibra
Originally posted by northwolf
Thelibra
a bit more recent gun than WW2
CZ-75


Ah, well, that's why I shouldn't try to go by memory.
Thanks for the info. Neat little history behind this gun.
Was I at least correct about the walnut grip?



reply posted on 31-10-2006 @ 12:33 AM by orangetom1999
Originally posted by northwolf
First snow fell today and it will be on ground up till early april at least.

So have you prepared yourself and your kit for operating in subzero temperatures and in snow?

There are several important aspects to be considered if the situation X happens during winter. Some of you may think that winter and snow are no concerns in your living areas, but what if you have to relocate north? Can you keep your car moving if the roads are icy? Do you know how to survive a night in woods in -20C?

Just some toughts after a day drifting in snow with my BMW


Northwolf,
No I am not prepared for this. I just got my Ford Ranger truck working again after about three months. I've been riding my moped back and forth to work. Saves me alot of gas. I own two of them.

However I still recall the advice you and someone else gave on the Kawasaki motorcycle which as I recall you or the other person stating they could take a beating and keep on going. This quality would be number one for me..even in a winter type bike. Ruggedness/simplicity/reliability.....Just like the SKS rifle. I am still considering it...the Motorcycle.

I do have some experience in the winters down in the bottom of drydocks and this has taught me that the clothes make a huge difference. Layering up helps me alot. I even ride my mopeds around here in the dead of winter...though it is nothing like up in Finland. Here ..for this I have resorted to a set of snowmobile gloves. What a difference they make riding two wheels. The wind can literally suck the heat from your body...quickly. I own two snowmobile suits too.
As to surviving on foot or on motorcycle...something to break the wind ...a temporary cover..windbreaker...poncho...light strong and protable would be in order.
YOu know ..Northwolf..I have spoken with guys who have been out in the scrub for awhile. They tell me something with which to sew and clean dry socks is a thing one would just about kill for. We often think of guns, bullets and shoot em ups...but often dont thing about the simple daily things like clean dry socks. Winter or summer. Amazing!!!

Can you pass on to us any concepts for such extreme winter temperatures?? It would be appreciated..Thanks,

Orangetom


reply posted on 31-10-2006 @ 12:58 PM by northwolf
Some tips for cold weather survival:
A) on foot or in general
1. Keep dry, avoid sweating and if you get snow on/in your clothes brush it off before it melts.

2.Layer your clothing, have a warm outer layer that is easy dress/undress, take it off while moving and put it on while staying still.

3.Keep your feet dry, clean and warm. wearing multiple socks helps, but good boots are essential.

4.Eat a warm meals and drink coffee or tea often to keep your body heat up

5.Don't smoke, it makes you loose body heat through your lungs

6.Learn how to ski, not only to alpine ski but how to move with nordic cross country skis, snow shoes are easy, skis are twice faster, do the math

7.No alcohol, it gives a war feeling for a second and bitter cold for an hour (it's a boost for a morale tough)

8.Snow is warm, this one may sound crazy, but snow is usually warmer than the air and it acts as good insulation. Bury yourself into snow to stay warm (just make sure you have something between you and the snow, for example some waterproof fabric)

9.Dry branches of the fir tree are good fuel, they burn hot even if they're frozen or wet. Birch tree makes an anti-freeze for it's sap making it good fuel if temperatures are really low (-20C and colder)

10.If you have a warm shelter, stay there. Italians lost majority of their troops in exercise battle griffin '05 to frostbites while maintaining their vehicles during the only -30C day, we stayed in our tents and lost none


Some vehicle tips:
1.Winter tyres help a lot

2.If you drive an 4wd or RWD car, watch some drifting clips, helps you understand how the car behaves on a slippery surface

3.Anti freeze on all liquids


And a gun tip:
NO OIL, NONE What so ever, NO NO NO, and don't come saying i didn't say NO


A motivational picture taken from my door at the time this post was written:


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