posted on May, 10 2006 @ 02:40 AM
In this thread I'd like to give some advice to anyone concerned with their safety, be it from burglars, muggers, looters and the government when they
finally come for us i'd like to give you a list of options on how to defend your self on a budget (assuming many people on ATS do not have the luxery
of much money, like my self).
In home defense scenerio's you need to defend your self in close quarters, generally a shotgun is the golden rule for defending your home, you need
little aim and have maximum take down power, I will give options for items you can buy to keep you save.
-Baseball bat, generally are quite cheap and easilly attained, they generally can be found all over the place including thrift stores and
Wal-Mart, they run from a dollar to 30 bucks for a suficient one, generally wood ones are the best but a alluminum bat is almost as effective.
-Chinese shotguns, they run very cheap and generally can be found on auction sites like gunbroker, HL-12 is an example of these shotguns, they
are generally reproductions of other famous shotguns, they usually run from 150~250, other good shotguns are Mossberg 500's, for 240 you can
generally get a pistolgrip + heatshield equipted home defense gun.
-Cheap handguns, generally American made handguns are the
Hi-Point CF-380 .380ACP (MSRP 120)
C-9 (MSRP 140, but can be had for less) 9mm,
JCP .40S&W (MSRP 170 but can be had for 150 or less) and
JHP .45ACP (same as JCP),
Jimenez JA-Nine (150 usually) avoid it as the plaque since it's a junk gun, might look better, but avoid anything that is called
options are Makarov pistols, generally the Makarov pistols are in the 200~250 price range, they are generally as reliable as the Hi-Points and very
Personal Defense, you'd best stick with foreign guns here, like surplus pistols like the Makarov or if you can afford it, a
Walther PPK in a respectable caliber, other options are a knife or a tazer, keep in mind that most states in the US requires you to have a Concealed
Weapon carry permit and they are generally not cheap and require you to go through classes so personal defense is only legally permitted if you have
one or are on your home or business turf, but if that's the case your better off with a shotgun, revolvers are often recommended as well because they
afford more reliable operation but are generally more expensive than semi-auto pistols, avoid calibers like .22 (no matter if it's Short, Long Rifle
or even .22 Magnum) .380, .38 (.38 Special should suffice though) and avoid calibers that go over the .45 range or 10mm range since the recoil will be
I don't recommend Hi-Points for carrying since they are quite heavy and bulky.
Also, taking martial arts training classes could be quite effective if you are disarmed, they can save your life at any point in your life.
Breakdown of society/War/Looting/NWO take over,
For this I could only recommend one thing, or rather a combination, It would be best to form pockets of resistance/defense, have people equipted with
Romanian AK's like the WASR-10 (300~400 dollars) GP Hi-Cap model, SAR-1/2/3 (350~500) for medium distance engagements, have people defending your
'base' (E.G. home) have Shotguns as mentioned in the home defense portion of this post and have backup pistols with sufficient take down power like
a .40cal or .45cal, I can also recommend 9mm/.40caliber carbines like the Hi-Point 995 (MSRP 200 dollars but is often found for 169 dollars) models
and the more expensive PC-9. M44 Mosin Nagants equipted with scopes would be good for long range engagements if necesary but sniper mosin nagants and
their scopes can run high in cost.
Other things that should be considdered is food rationing/storing (I.E. store non perrishable foods in containers in a secure location of your
'base') , ammo storage, preferable in a same but accessable location.
Power Generators and other necessity items should be considdered, if your neighborhood is in a budget you might want to discuss where you want a base
located (based upon where the most defenable position is), you could even discuss payment plans and chip in for the generators and armaments &
even though such things might not ever happen, it's always a good idea to be on the defensive, no matter if it's protecting your self from violent
crime a foreign or domestic enemy or desperate looting, your best defense for such events is to be ready in advance, you can't predict the future,
you can't predict unforseen events, why would you let your life hang in the ballance just because you didn't want to seem paranoid or because you
though it would never happen? did you ever think 9/11 was gonna happen? seriously? did you think Katrina was gonna happen?
Violent crime happens daily, home invasions happen daily but any day there might be a natural disaster, a war or even a government take over or a
police state, a terrorist event might happen and the police might come in and say; please stay calm and please give us your weapons, it's for your
own protection, blah blah blah.
Whatever you do, NEVER give away your guns to anyone, it's your only insurence for safty besides martial arts, but against an armed foe they wont do
a whole lot don't you think?
We are masters of our own destiny, don't let the elitist get you, don't let foreign nations get you (don't think you can trust even our closest
Another thing you must keep in mind is to not get swayed by these "gun snobs" that will say that you will need to buy a 800 dollar Sig Sauer or a
600 dollar glock just because they are trendy and name brands, read reviews on your weapons and see how other users like it, DO NOT assume that they
so called experts no it all, ask the people that USE them.
I am sorry if this topic is a little redundant in the weaponry forum or if my conspiracy babble is a little weird or paranoid, I am just here to help
people out deciding on how to defend them selves and what to prepare for and what to use in an event you might not be able to forsee.
I also would like to make people realise that thjngs DO happen and WILL happen if we don't stop it from happening, if you give a crook the chance to
do something (no matter if they are on the streets or in office) they will do it, another major defense is simply resisting laws that aid the police
state and / or NWO take over.
The NWO or New World Order is real, many influentional people have mentioned it before and from what we can gather it's not a good thing, it's a way
to enslave humanity and a way to have total control of the populace, Just look at the recent JFK thread and you will realise that the Bush cabal has
been pushing for this for decades and have influenced the presidents from the 60's till now.
Please, stay safe.
[edit on 5/10/2006 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]