Is this the study that admits the ojects are things which are real but they dont know what they are? Yet somehow they know theyre not aliens, Id like to know how they can come to that conclusion and rule that out if theyre not sure what the objects are.

Move along please,nothing to see here.
We are honestly not invovled in top secret aviation projects with the Americans,we have never experimented with reverse engineered alien technology.We are not being secretive at all.And we are not test flying new vehicles in preparation for one of our future wars.
What we are doing is creating a sustained campaign of blatant disinformation and lies,to keep the masses in the dark....we just can`t upset the companies with sustainable free energy can we?

The "phenomena" described in the MOD report violate known laws of physics.If the MOD can produce garbage like this and expect people to believe it,they must really think we are stupid.
Interestingly the report was released the day before the extradition hearing of Gary Mckinnon,the man charged with hacking into the USDOD after 911(even though he`d been doing it for years).Gary is charged with causing over $700 000 of damage,even though all he did was look at computers which had no password....clever DOD people aren`t you.Im still trying to work out how $700 000 of "damage" can be done by logging onto open computers.

Un-named Defense experts can conclude that UFO's and/or Aliens do not exist all they want.

"Hi, I'm a Defense Expert. Unidentified Flying objects and/or Aliens do not exist. Thank you. Good Night."

You think I'm going to listen to anything my Government or Military tell me? It's probably that bunch of secretive *MOD EDIT* up there flying most of the damned things in the first place.

shots
There is no doubt in my mind that there is far more going on then they are telling us

Agreed.

shots
I do not trust them; do you?

No!

Edit: Serious expletive.

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I thought the report concluded UAP's were some sort of plasma(s).

That's ridiculous. They don't intend to stop with this crap. Then who did Nik Pope work for?

Nick Pope is a British Ministry of Defense official, still currently employed at the Ministry of Defense, who headed up the Ministry’s office for research and investigation of the UFO phenomenon for a number of years in the 1990s. In his testimony, we will learn of incontrovertible evidence in several events with massive objects moving at extraordinary speeds, witnessed by military personnel with impeccable credentials, and tracked on radar — objects which are not manufactured on this Earth. He will also confirm the Bentwaters case and other cases within the United Kingdom, and acknowledge the existence of extensive government files on the UFO phenomenon. Mr. Pope supports total openness and honesty on the UFO issue, and believes that there should be a full disclosure of all information on UFOs, held by governments all around the world.

Here are some excerpts of his own words:

Between 1991 and 1994, I was posted to a division called Secretariat (Air Staff) and was given the job of researching and investigating the UFO phenomenon, mirroring the work done in the US by the now defunct Project Blue Book. Although most of the cases could be explained as misidentifications of known objects and phenomena, a hard core of sightings defied any conventional explanation. Strong evidence emerged suggesting the presence of structured craft capable of speeds and manoeuvres beyond the capability of even the most advanced prototype craft operated by the Royal Air Force or the United States Air Force.

OMG british government is worst then US. This guys are full of it !!!

as an ATSers who believes that there must be some intelligent life "out there" somewhere, i must ask this:

how in the world did the british come up with that conclusion...

what experiments did they practice and what research did they do???

any math calculations involved???

hmmm...

i wonder...

I tend to concur with your assessment Shots, from the moment I first saw the headline on my browser I wondered what the credentials of the author were and whether or not he had it all together. It just seems to me the study is not the sort of thing the British govt. would endorse, or fund (knowingly).

The background for this goes back to 1979, when the House of Lords held hearings on the matter of UFOs at the urging of one of its members, the Earl of Clancarty, who died in 1995 and was one of those ufologists who give the field a bad name because they believe that the Earth is hollow.

In THE UFO ENCYCLOPEDIA (Putnam, 1980), Margaret Sachs includes the following entry that gives a detailed account of the hearings. Since the book is out of print, maybe it would be best to place here the entire entry, but I’d have to do it in easy stages since I’m in a public library and they allow only one-hour turns:



HOUSE OF LORDS, British Parliamentary body which conducted a UFO debate on January 18, 1979. The Earl of Clancarty (Brinsley Le Poer Trench) initiated the debate by proposing a motion that a governmental study of UFOs be established. Clancarty summarized the history of UFOs and the positions taken by foreign governments.

The second speaker was Lord Trefargne, who opposed the motion on the grounds that many UFOs can be explained by “logical scientific reasoning” and that belief in extraterrestrial beings was not compatible with Christian faith.

The Earl of Kimberly supported the motion, declaring that “UFOs defy worldly logic”. The Viscount of Oxfuird expressed a desire to know where UFOs come from. Lord Davies of Leek also supported the motion, stating that, “If one human being out of the tens of thousands who allege to have seen these phenomena is telling the truth, then there is a dire need for us to look into the matter.”

The Lord Bishop of Norwich, while in favor of the motion, expressed his concern that, “The mystery surrounding UFOs today … is in danger of producing a twentieth century superstition in our modern and scientific days which is not unlike the superstition of past years.” He cautioned against “the danger of the religious aspect of the UFO situation leading to the obscuring of basic Christian truths.”

Lord Gladwyn opposed the motion and pointed out that “the more over-populated our planet becomes, the greater the violence and the more appalling the wars, the more, unconsciously perhaps, we want to leave it if we can trust in otherworldly intervention; and the more intense therefore the longing, the greater the temptation to believe that there actually is somewhere else to which we can physically go to which we can somehow make an appeal.” He concluded, “If the UFOs contain sentient beings, we can only leave it to such beings to get in touch with us when, and if, they will. Up to now, if they exist, they have done no harm of any kind. Apparently, they have done no harm for the last two or three thousand years. So there seems to be no great need to set up intragovernmental machinery to investigate the whole phenomena. The mystery may suitably remain a mystery, and so far as I can see nobody will be in any way the worse off if it does.”

Lord Kings Norton, while expressing skepticism etc. etc. etc.

(That’s about half of it….)

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Lord Kings Norton, while expressing skepticism, supported the motion. Lord Rankeillour, on the other hand, stated that, “I suspect that the British Government do have a department studying UFO sightings, for why else should they bother to go to such trouble to publicly debunk reported ones if they are of no interest to them? Quite apart from the fact that the Government have not admitted to the existence of UFOs, these machines are potentially dangerous. They give off blinding light, crippling rays and sometimes beams that immobilize humans; they start forest fires, eradicate crops and cause great distress to animals.”

The Earl of Halsbury discussed some natural explanations for UFOs, and was followed by Lord Hewlett who pointed out that, “Over the United Kingdom, Jodrell Bank’s radio telescope, the first and still one of the most powerful in the world, has observed thousands of possible subjects for identification as UFOs, but not a single one has proved other than natural phenomena.” He was answered by the Earl of Cork and Orrery, who argued that “the fact that the Jodrell Bank telescope has not seen something not only does not prove, but is not even particularly good evidence, that it was not there.”

The final speaker was the Earl of Strabolgi, who asked, “Why have they never tried to communicate with us? Why has there been no evidence on radio of attempts at communication? And would not such a large number of movements be picked up by our defense radar system? Why has not a single artifact been found? Assuming that each visit does not represent a journey from a distant star, where are these alien space craft supposed to be hiding? Now that the idea of such bases on the Moon or on another planet in our solar system is barely tenable, ufologists have had to claim that the aliens are based in the depths of the sea or in a great hole in the earth, or even that they come from invisible universes and other space-time continuua. Anyone who accepts the hypothesis of large numbers of alien visitations seems forced towards explanations that are ever more fantastic, and incapable of either proof or disproof.” Her closed the debate by saying, “Her Majesty’s Government do not consider that there is any justification for the expenditure of public money on such a study …. As for telling the public the truth about UFOs, the truth is simple. There really are many strange phenomena in the sky, and these are invariably reported by rational people. But there is a wide range of natural explanations to account for such phenomena. There is nothing to suggest to Her Majesty’s Government that such phenomena are alien space craft.”
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