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North Wales paedophilia ring exposed: Masonic involvement.

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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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Listen Mason. The reason why I classify you as a mid-level to high-level citizen is because more than like you make a relatively decent wage, have no worries about bills as some do.

The shrouded in secrecy part. Well. Lets look at the illuminati, why do they have such a bad rep? Skulls and Crossbones?

You masons are no different than a other mafia.




posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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The most secret thing about Masonry is it's origins. While around the 1700's Masonry more or less either went public or formed, there is a document that could push it back to the 1400's, with possibly earlier origins from there, though most of those are taken from ritual.

Since then, Masonry has pretty much been open, with restrictions being on allowing non-members to enter the Lodge while in process, and the repeatedly mentioned promise to not reveal the rituals and modes of recognition.

There is a difference between UK and American Masonry, while American Masons are prone to proudly display Masonic decals and items, the UK branch, as to my understanding, is still a fairly subdued group, mostly due to discrimination against the group.

The Illuminati is a deus ex machina of sorts, anything that someone conspiracy minded views as particularly nasty of unfavourable, either to them or their way of thinking, is held as a plot by the Illuminati.
Depending on your version of the Illuminati, it's somewhat possible that such an organization could exist, though their true actions would be difficult to distinguish from the veritable catch all category they are given by many conspiracy theorists.

Skull and Bones encourages it's bad rep, at least from my understanding. The rituals the college fraternity has designed for itself lead it to appear that they actively sought it out.
Though most of it probably comes from the previous election, where two previous members of Skull and Bones ran for president, encouraging many conspiracy theorists to theorize without doing actual research, it would seem.



You masons are no different than a other mafia.

You must have a very different definition of mafia than I do. I picture a bunch of fellow in bowler hats eating spaghetti speaking with bad Italian accents.



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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i can name a free mason cop who was let off for doing a crime, David Thomas, giving young men lsd and conditioning them in houses to commit violent and sex crimes when given large amounts of the drug and sent out under instructions. can be done ,and a high ranking police officer and free mason would know what to do as there are doctors in the free masons. he was from the dyfed powys police force. there are many x cops in wales why is this.



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Sources? News articles? Proof?

How do you know he wasn't let off because he was INNOCENT?



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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innocent people dont leave the police force in their 30s for no reason, when under investegation by mp michael howard, and mp david shaw. free masonry should be banned.bilderberg



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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All I can say is that I hope you're never called upon to sit on a jury of your peers because whoever's in the dock'll be swinging by the time you're done with 'im, evidence be damned!

What's truly vexing about this as a Mason is the immediate predilection of certain individuals to assume guilt of a group not based on the facts. Funny how it's problematic if that group is a particular ethnicity or creed. But when the person in question is a Mason, some how certain individuals immediately jump on the sort of stereotype bandwagon that most thinking adults thought disappeared a generation ago.

Guess not.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Once again let me clear myself..

If I walk into a bloody Masonic club which there is actually one right up the street from me in Grants Pass Oregon,


They will let me in, dressed as I am?

Aha, and they don't seem very "public" at all to me, they never post their meetings anywhere, I don't know one soul that's ever spoke of anyone ever meeting there, blah blah blah.


Yes I believe Masons are affiliated with the Illuminati to a extent and the Illuminati is most definetly affiliated to the Skull and Cross bones.

Same goes with the sick and twisted Bohemian Club.

OH YES AND CAN I VIDEO TAPE IT?????? PLEAAAAAASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP. THAT WAY EVERYONE CAN SEE THE FRUITFUL ACTIVITIES.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by Revolution-2012]



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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You're just enlightening the sterotype of them.

I bet if I went up and called upon such actions in a court against the Dungeons and Dragons commitee because they played with to many doody books they'd do the same thing to me.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 01:42 AM
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www.santarosa16.org...

Can't really see it from the picture on the site, but the meet the first and third Tuesday of every month.


As for posting their actual meetings... do you post you and your friends meetings? The meetings you've had at work? What you do at your family dinner?

Depends on how you're dressed. A good shirt and decent pants are allowed in most of the lodges, some of the Lodges in better off towns require different dresscodes.

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posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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No but if you ask me I will video tape them.

So can I go and videotape your great meetings? Is it like church? Oh yipee! I'll get to eat food to the masonic "supreme deity".

Trust me. I'll be there at their lodge with a camera and a friend next Tuesday. Guaranteed.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Oh my god they require dress codes? Thats weird. Because I can wear damn near anything I want into my Christian church.

Including piercings.
Baggy clothing.
Dreadlocks.
Tatoos open and visual.

Etcetc.

The list goes on.

So I'll see how they react when I walk up with a videotape saying we're "Doing a documentary".

They'll enjoy that. I strongly bet.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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i do not think that all free masons are paedophiles. free masons are people like shop keepers ,bankers police officers, people who have made it in life. free masons care more about property than human life. free masons dont mind giving a criminal drugs and sending them out to rape somone if the criminal can not return to the town ,to burgle shops or golf clubs etc. there are paedophile free masons but most are money brabbing corrupt greedy people who minipulate the law the community even drug dealers. police in wales use drug dealers for information about crime, and also use these type of people to make false allegations of a sexual nature against clever criminals. both ronny and reggy cray were said to be paedophiles after they were dead of course. people would not have said that when they were alive for obvious reasons, i think this was done to play down the glamour of being a big time criminal.i hope this has cleared up a few things on his topic .



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 02:55 AM
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As for what I said about the dress code, it's up to the Lodge. Some don't care, some require a certain base line of dress.
As for my church, they require you to wear slacks and a polo shirt.

And yes, if you intentionally wear clothing with the intention of trying to bother the people you will be going to interview (with the majority of them being old men, and old men tend to be fairly conservative) I'm sure you'llg et a great video. Not that Lodges don't have colorful members, many Masons here have several stories about their Lodge members and past maters. But you are intentionally going there to incite them.


There is no such being, and the comparison is faulty. A lodge meeting is more comparative to a business meeting, than a Mass.
As for the masonic god, there is no such construct.
The idea of the grand architect is that the main religions each have a central God, with two of the major religions being based on a third major religion.
And within each of the major religions you have various sects who have a different approach or understanding of their belif of God, while still bearing the title of the over head religion.
Speaking as someone with a diverse group of friends, I can say that trying to peacefully argue a religious point of view can cause a great amount of friction, as can the discussion of politics. which is why neither are discussed in Lodge.
Which is why the term was coined, the GAOTU is the God of each Mason, basically, with his interpretations there in.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 04:28 AM
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I still think they are up to no good in the long run, proof or not.

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posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Once again let me clear myself..

If I walk into a bloody Masonic club which there is actually one right up the street from me in Grants Pass Oregon


The "club" as you put it is called a lodge. There might even be more than one that meets in the building, I don't know.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
They will let me in, dressed as I am?


I guess that depends on what is supposed to be meant by "dressed as I am". If by that you mean, will they let you just barge-in on a Lodge meeting night, I'd venture a guess that you'd be disappointed. However, if you were to contact them ahead of time and show even a modicum of real interest and common respect, you might actually be able to have some questions answered. However, I suspect that's up to you.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Aha, and they don't seem very "public" at all to me, they never post their meetings anywhere,


There's this really great site...it's called google.com. Try a searchstring like "Grants Pass Masonic Lodge". Funny the information you can find there.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
I don't know one soul that's ever spoke of anyone ever meeting there, blah blah blah.


You not knowing doesn't really mean much. I'll go out on a limb here and wager you aren't even 21 yet in which case it'd be unlikely that anyone in your circle of friends was a Mason.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Yes I believe Masons are affiliated with the Illuminati to a extent and the Illuminati is most definetly affiliated to the Skull and Cross bones.


You can believe what you like but belief =/=truth.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Same goes with the sick and twisted Bohemian Club.


I wouldn't know; the fevered brow can make some interesting connections. Doesn't make them correct, though.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
OH YES AND CAN I VIDEO TAPE IT?????? PLEAAAAAASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP. THAT WAY EVERYONE CAN SEE THE FRUITFUL ACTIVITIES.


Well, if I had any doubts about your age before, they're certainly all dispelled now. I'd be hard pressed to believe you're older than 14



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
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I still think they are up to no good in the long run, proof or not.


How remarkably close-minded of you!


You admit to not knowing any Masons.

You haven't even done the easiest and most basic of research to disabuse yourself of ill-founded beliefs.

And now you admit that even if provided proof that contradicts your 'beliefs', your 'beliefs' would trump!


Now I know how Galileo must've felt!



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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fitzgibon you strange man visit www.stop child rape that should tell you all you need to know about free masons



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Once again let me clear myself..

If I walk into a bloody Masonic club which there is actually one right up the street from me in Grants Pass Oregon,


They will let me in, dressed as I am?


Why would your dress matter? I wear tshirts and shorts to most meetings. Everyone wears whatever they want. Some people wear businss clothes, we have some farmers that wear farming clothes. This is another myth that needs to be busted. I'd never join a lodge where I have to dress up like a penguin every 2 weeks. I do dress up a bit on occasion, but those are for things like installations.

About a quarter of the lodge wears jeans and tshirts to EVERY meeting - regardless of what it is. No one cares.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Aha, and they don't seem very "public" at all to me, they never post their meetings anywhere, I don't know one soul that's ever spoke of anyone ever meeting there, blah blah blah.


It doesn't seem "public" to you because its not. Its a private members organization that occasionally has public meetings. Of course, as every lodge I've been to has huge honking signs pronouncing the dates of the meetings its not exactly like its a secret.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Yes I believe Masons are affiliated with the Illuminati to a extent and the Illuminati is most definetly affiliated to the Skull and Cross bones.

Same goes with the sick and twisted Bohemian Club.


Well that would of course be based on myth rather than fact. The Illuminati does no texist and the Skull and Bones is a yale fraternity that exists only within yale. And of course, the Bohemian Club is just a group of powerful people that meet to get away from those like you. None of them are connected to freemasonry.


Originally posted by Revolution-2012
OH YES AND CAN I VIDEO TAPE IT?????? PLEAAAAAASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP. THAT WAY EVERYONE CAN SEE THE FRUITFUL ACTIVITIES.


Absolutely, as soon as I can tape you moving about your house for one hour a day. And as soon as you post your full name and address so I can go meet you and tape you. After all, how do we know you arent' connected with the Illuminati and Skull and Bones (its not "Skull and Cross Bones")? If your engaging in peaceful activity you don't mind, right?



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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i do not think that all free masons are paedophiles. free masons are people like shop keepers ,bankers police officers, people who have made it in life. free masons care more about property than human life. free masons dont mind giving a criminal drugs and sending them out to rape somone if the criminal can not return to the town ,to burgle shops or golf clubs etc. there are paedophile free masons but most are money brabbing corrupt greedy people who minipulate the law the community even drug dealers. police in wales use drug dealers for information about crime, and also use these type of people to make false allegations of a sexual nature against clever criminals. both ronny and reggy cray were said to be paedophiles after they were dead of course. people would not have said that when they were alive for obvious reasons, i think this was done to play down the glamour of being a big time criminal.i hope this has cleared up a few things on his topic .


Freemasons are people who have "made it in life"? You really haven't looked into this at all have you? Lodges are filled with people who are in debt, have no money, and make less than $30,000 a year. Some are on retirement for far less than that. For caring so much about property even more than human life (another lie), isn't it interesting that we can barely afford our own bills and that any excess money we have all goes to charity? Whoops, another busted myth.

There are freemasons from every walk of life, and your attempt to stereotype them into horrible people is quite sad.



posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by read between the lines
fitzgibon you strange man visit www.stop child rape that should tell you all you need to know about free masons


As a Master Mason, I expect it's safe to say that my personal experience would be rather at odds with a site with a name like that. Typically, these sites are proponents of the Napoleonic code.

In fact, as often as often as these sort of threads come up, it often seems to be the case that the hands in the sock are culled from a small group trolling the same already-debunked stories again and again and again.



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