North Wales paedophilia ring exposed: Masonic involvement.

Trinity Man, you haven't a clue...

There's a whole other reality you have no idea about...

The invisible world WITHIN the invisible world.

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Trinity Man, you haven't a clue...

That's a whole other story

A true quandery...

If there is a masonic conspiracy, but none of the masons are aware of it, and none are participating in it... is it really masonic?

That's what the degrees are for... to educate and separate those who know the trans-dimensional reality of the invisible world and those who don't...

Not all Masons indulge in summoning demons and abusing children...
Many just do it for the social advancement and the dinners...


To pretend that you Masons here know the whole of your craft is ridiculous...

It probably shows what a good job of deception actually goes on within the organisation....

But it could be that you boys are here with a job to do!

Still got plenty of whitewash?

I've even met some masons that I felt quite sympathetic towards.. but that was largely pity at seeing their poor cadaverous faces, the clothes hanging off them like poor grey skeletons... bless 'em... but leave the damn kids alone! I don't care what the voices tell you to do, have some strength for god's sake! It's just a change of brain chemistry you have undergone.. you are not damned and you are not dead, you can return ...

I proclaim a mason armistice, put down your compasses and return to reality.

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

I proclaim a mason armistice, put down your compasses and return to reality.

But then you also say:

That's what the degrees are for... to educate and separate those who know the trans-dimensional reality of the invisible world and those who don't...

Reality just called, and you weren't at home.

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by billybob
masons swear to be loyal TO THE DEATH to EACH OTHER.

This is entirely untrue. Please quote your source so we can have a good laugh.

the hiram key. funny?
anyone who is a traitor to the order or breaks the oaths he swears to, agrees to be killed in the same manner as the three assassins who killed hiram abif. that's what the hoodwinking and the rope around the neck are for, too.

the mason's whole purpose is hidden from the public.

The purpose of masonry is entirely open to the general public, some of whom choose not to believe it.

indeed there is a high masonic headcount in ANY police force

This is quite untrue, and stems largely from a book called The Brotherhood by Martin Shaw. The reality is that there are fewer freemasons in the police force than other occupations due to prejudice against freemasonry in the police. It is most certainly less than 1% of policemen.

it is definitely the higher ups. here, in toronto, there is a statue of a child pulling a wagon with an obelisk on it, and the obelsik has, 'to serve, and protect' written with one word on each face of the monolith. it was donated by the masons.
the logo of the police force is totally masonic.



the square, scales, and the winged globe.

ME: mind you, i'm not convinced masons in general are bad. i think MOST are REALLY GOOD. i think, like the us government, there is a bad CORE in the otherwise delicious apple.

YOU: Based on your misconceptions above I'm absolutely staggered that you think this. Again though, you have this the wrong way round - the core is fine but there may be one or two individuals as members who fall short of the mark. Not that anyone can actually name any, mind you

well, it is like any illuminati organisation. the absolute authority of the top 'masters' is never questioned, and the 'respect' for their complete authority is institutional. that's how compartmentalisation works.

Could you explain further what you understand by the 'inner circle of higher ups'? I don't know what this is so perhaps you could explain what level in freemasonry this represents?

33+, depending on which lodge.

33 degree masons have no inherent authority over any other Masons. Each Grand Lodge is independent of the others. There are no "high-ups" who direct global freemasonry. C'mon people... This has been covered so many times

Originally posted by billybob


the hiram key. funny?

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read The Hiram Key. But I would caution using it as a source for anything. It has been completely discredited by scholars both within and without the fraternity.

Regardless, to claim that Masons swear to be loyal to the death to each other is a total fabrication. Masons are obligated to defend assist and worthy brothers, but are also admonished to do the same to non-Masons. Masons are under no obligation to defend or maintain loyality to fellow Masons who are not worthy of it.

anyone who is a traitor to the order or breaks the oaths he swears to, agrees to be killed in the same manner as the three assassins who killed hiram abif. that's what the hoodwinking and the rope around the neck are for, too.

Actually, as I mentioned only recently in another thread, the hoodwinking represents the dark ages, and the cable-tow represents the tyranny that results when church and state are unified. Since Masonic ritual is symbolic of the emergence of the Age of Enlightenment, we see that the symbolism here all falls in line. The hoodwinking represents man in his natural state during the period before the enlightenment dawned, and that hoodwink is cast off by reason, morality, and the study of the sciences. The cable-tow is released by separation of church and state, with each having an equal voice in self-rule.

The penalties are indeed taken from the legendary manner in which the assassins of Hiram were executed. However, these of course are not literal, and no Mason has ever been bound to enforce them literally. When children enter oaths to "stick a needle in my eye", such a penalty is likewise symbolic.

it is definitely the higher ups.

As has been explained ad infinitum, in Masonry, the "higher ups" thing doesn't work, simply because there aren't any. Every Master Mason is just that: a Master Mason.

Masonic government, which is called the Grand Lodge, is a representative body. In my jurisdiction, Grand Lodge consists of the Master and two Wardens of each individual Lodge in the state (up there in Canada, it would be from each province). Thus, each Lodge has three votes on all questions and issues involving Masonic government. These Grand Representatives elect Grand Officers from among themselves for specified terms, and the representatives themselves have been elected by the rank-and-file membership in the individual Lodges.

All Master Masons in good standing may attend any and all Grand Lodge sessions, and have a voice in the proceedings (although only three votes are allowed per Lodge).

well, it is like any illuminati organisation. the absolute authority of the top 'masters' is never questioned, and the 'respect' for their complete authority is institutional. that's how compartmentalisation works.

It isn't how masonry works at all, as it recognizes the absolute authority of the majority vote of the membership, not any "top masters". The highest official in Masonry is called the Grand Master. He is the president of the fraternity in his jurisdiction, and his primary duty is to preside over the Grand Lodge sessions, and administer the fraternity when the grand Lodge isn't in session. He is elected by the majority vote for a specified term in accordance with the Constitution and regulations of the Grand Lodge.

The Grand Master is subject to the same Masonic rules and laws as everyone else, and can be removed from office just like anyone else should he attempt to abuse authority.

33+, depending on which lodge.

It should be noted that the 33° is not even recognized in Masonic Lodges, which officially recognize nothing but the original three degrees of Antient Craft Masonry (with the occasional exception of the Past Masters Degree, conferred upon Worshipful Master-elects). The 33° is an honorary degree within the Scottish Rite, which is an additional fraternal body that Master Masons may join if they wish.

The 33° gives no Mason any inherent authority in the Lodge or the Scottish Rite. Rank in the Scottish Rite concerns being elected or appointed to serve as an officer, just as in the Lodge. The 33° has nothing to do with it.

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thank you for your considered reply, masonic light. you are the type of mason i'm talking about when i say i think MOST are 'good'.
however, i still see a power structure that is hidden from the vast majority of the world, and the potential for abuse is there.
you guys must not like bush very much, with that whole seperation church and state thing being high on the priority list, eh?

Masonic Lite is either ignorant or lying..

The Masons that I know about organise the sex slave trade, street gang violence and the slow destruction of society as we know it...

Ever noticed there seems to be something wrong with the world?

Everything seems to be the wrong way round?

'Fair is foul and foul is fair'

One word: Masons. That's all there is to it..

Arch deceivers like Masonic Lite are why this evil situation still exists .

It doesn't help that people can't tell the truth from lies either.

SERIOUSLY..

Do you think they would allow a Mason to post on an open forum without a purpose?

These guys are busy busy busy... all the time..

Masonic Lite is just doing his job. Clouding the air so the truth dims...

I'm not sure there is any such thing as a good mason.


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[edit on 11-8-2006 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


The Masons that I know about organise the sex slave trade, street gang violence and the slow destruction of society as we know it...

The only Masons EP knows are those who laid the walls in his parents' basement so he'd have a place to live.

Originally posted by billybob
thank you for your considered reply, masonic light. you are the type of mason i'm talking about when i say i think MOST are 'good'.

Thanks billybob, your comment is appreciated.

you guys must not like bush very much, with that whole seperation church and state thing being high on the priority list, eh?

Personally, I don't like Bush at all. I'm very active in the local Democratic Party around here, but am actually sort of a democratic socialist (inasmuch as I support a universal public health care program).

On a side note concerning your question, when a Mason joins the Scottish Rite in the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, he is required to answer in the affirmative on his application for membership that he supports the complete separation of church and state, and opposes every attempt to appropriate public monies for private or sectarian purposes.

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EDIT: Response to SmallPeeps from earlier postings..

Re: Charles Teaze Russell..

So that means you're a former Jehovah's Witness? That's interesting because JWs are notorious for claiming their religion is 'better' than everyone's while claiming to be neutral and it is a destructive organized religion which does'nt permit free thinking.

Question for you.....how were you able to break from the the JW or WatchTower's stranglehold on 'free thought'?

You're using the old JW techniques of going 'door to door' to change people's minds by slandering Masonry. How can a JW know a fellow Mason? Did you know you could get disfellowshipped for associating yourself with Masons or going to such a lodge?

"Pay Attention To Yourselves And To All The Flock" (yeah, I know all about that secretive document).

OH..and one more thing...since you painted Masonry as secretive, then your Jehovah's Witnesses are no better because their publications, magazines and bibles were written by several 'un-named' men.
If you proclaim to know some of the fellow Masons, why don't you proffer up their names, rank and lodge on here?

Perhaps you got convinced by someone from the internet by a Christian "Faither" that claims to make connections to Freemasons' creating the Jehovah's Witnesses due to the infamous logo? I'll bet that how you're going to make that defense on your part.

As for Eidelweiss Pirate, you were grasping at straws at the early start of this thread while I was reading it and it seems that you're either a "Faither" trying to prove your religion's purity over the Masons by slander and narrow-mindedness OR that you're just one of those people who have an acute sense of baseless paranoia without structured facts and proof.

Finger-pointing like Donald Sutherland while screaming is not going to do you any good.

"Invasion of the Body Snatchers"...this ain't.

Cheers,


-A

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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

I'm not sure there is any such thing as a good mason.

well, that, frankly, doesn't look good on you. you yourself said most masons have no idea of foulplay by, let's say, more politically, financially powerful masons.

the outward appearance of masonry is one of charity, good word, and good deed, self improvement, and indeed, the charity IS real. not attractive to run-of-the-mill criminal types, only really machiavellian ones.
regular thugs join a gang or the mafia.

i don't buy lies. i take them into consideration: the motivations, the effects, and the alternative outcomes of NOT lying in the same circumstance.

for example, as we're on church and state, the inquisition was defeated by masons, and they could not have done it without subterfuge.

Billybob Why are you trying to score points against me?


It's not a game we're playing. Nor is this a debating society.

Debate assumes two possible outcomes.

We only have one real outcome. That is that the Masons systematically corrupt everything they touch BY DESIGN.

And their charity work... oh yeah. Like the Masonic school where Masons get to hand pick the children they abuse.

Now stop messing about!

It might be your 'niceness' that makes you want to sympathise with Masons.

If so it is a luxury you cannot afford. It is dangerous to you. You need to know the truth asap! Uncertainty is a weakness and will prevent you from fulfilling your purpose (assuming you have one)

Time to get smart and know your enemy. Before they get you and the ones you love.


I'm trying sincerely to help you. Anything you trully want to know about the Masons I will tell you. Just PM me.



[edit on 11-8-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Nor is this a debating society.

Actually, this forum focuses on debate. It's not your personal soapbox.

We only have one real outcome. That is that the Masons systematically corrupt everything they touch BY DESIGN.

The second outcome is that you're blowing smoke. I'll leave it to the reader to discover which is most likely.

Like the Masonic school where Masons get to hand pick the children they abuse.

And Masons did this exactly where?

I'm trying sincerely to help you. Anything you trully want to know anout the Masons I will tell you. Just PM me.

For those not familiar with EP's strange ideas, here's a quick rundown:

1. For whatever reason, he does not believe that Masons sleep. In other words, anyone who joins the fraternity must stay awake all the time.

2. He believes that participating in fraternal ceremonies somehow alters one's brain chemistry. Of course, we're still waiting on him to post the CAT scans to prove it.

3. Out of the millions of worldwide cases of child abuse, he's been able to track down a couple where a Mason or alleged Mason has been involved (no doubt by spending hours and hours searching on the Internet). He takes this as proof positive that Masonry is somehow a society based on chld abuse. Of course, I could point out the fact that 99.99% of the cases of child abuse don't have anybody involved related to Masonry in anyway, then say EP is a child abuser because he's not a Mason, but no doubt the irony would be lost.

e. pirate, this was going to be a u2u, but i feel airing in public is superior to having our own 'secret society', and so:

hey, man. i'm not trying to score points. i just don't think the truth is simple.

what is your best source of info on the mason's evil?

i'm not saying you're wrong about them, but that your listening audience will not side with you or even continue listening to you if your brush is too broad(ie. ALL masons are bad), or if you sound fanatical or 'hot' in contrast to their (generally) logical or 'cool' response style.

i also think that organisations go through cycles, where initially philanthropistic(a real word? i dunno) tenets build strong systems, which then decay and become corrupted over time. or, in other words, the illuminati were initially 'good', and then the powerful secret organisation they built to fight evil was taken over by evil.

there are many possibilities. i do not 'judge' things with a black and white absolutist(a word? i dunno) attitude.

Hey Billybob...

Sorry, there's just so much that needs to be said about the masons... most of which will be so far beyond what we understand of the world we live in as to be very difficult to accept.

We're talking spirit entities, other dimensions and we're also talking evil master plans where both sides are playing the same foul paradigm. We're also talking organised crime and child abuse. I think we have had enough 'proof' of this on this site, through survivor stories AND authenticated news articles to PROVE once and for all that they are evil.

Ok. So are they ALL evil?

I don't know.... But at best one joins through selfish desires (one wants something, they can get it for you whatever it is!)

It was made clear to me that they were bad people in that they believe that money is more important than love and that the third world must be exploited for the good of the first (both falacies of course).

I met with people to sound me out before joining and they made their core beliefs quite clear to me. I don't think I'm that special so I assume all such candidates undergo the same 'sounding'.

Therefore anyone who joins KNOWS what they're getting involved in.

If you trully believe that money is more important than love. That human beings need cruel murderous masters. If you believe that the end justifies the means.. If you believe that people must suffer for the sins you gave them, If you believe that you are above the law. If you believe in using immoral and illegal means to manipulate fellow masons and then blackmail them into doing your bidding. Then you can be a mason my son..

You are accepting a lie and a prelude to an evil that threatens your spiritual development.

They offered me fame as a novelist. Turned it down. Then they offered me a beautiful illuminati girlfriend (MPD abused by her mason grandfather). Had to say goodbye to her too.

I will tell you this. I have never known people so clueless about the REAL Masonry as the Masons on this site. Therefore I assume they are lying and charged to create a smokescreen on this, the largest conspiracy site on the web.

Not hard to figure out the purpose of such a strategy really is it?

One more thing, plenty of people here have contacted me and shared their stories..

So I'm doing something right. But I'm not a politician or a master of rhetoric, sorry, so I may not be able to deliver perfectly pleasing sound bites. Not my style, I'm impulsive and emotional. That's the way I am. It does me ok.

Just be very weary of these people, you really cannot afford to trust them.



[edit on 11-8-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


We're talking spirit entities, other dimensions and we're also talking evil master plans where both sides are playing the same foul paradigm.

Actually, we're talking about a philosophically-oriented fraternal society devoted to charity and good fellowship which evolved from the English stonemasons guilds of the middle ages.

I don't know.... But at best one joins through selfish desires (one wants something, they can get it for you whatever it is!)

When one becomes a Freemason, he is required to answer that he seeks membership in the fraternity out of a desire of knowledge and the ability to be of assistance to mankind. This is the real Masonic paradigm.

It was made clear to me that they were bad people in that they believe that money is more important than love and that the third world must be exploited for the good of the first (both falacies of course).

And exactly which Mason said or believes this? Ah yes, your imaginary Masonic friends.

They offered me fame as a novelist. Turned it down. Then they offered me a beautiful illuminati girlfriend (MPD abused by her mason grandfather). Had to say goodbye to her too.

Right.



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