North Wales paedophilia ring exposed: Masonic involvement.

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posted on May, 8 2006 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Or you could do a little research and come up with a more accurate figure... Say like 30%?
Just a thought.


But 90% just sounds so much more overwhelming and conspiratorial and just plain evil and nogoodnik-like.




posted on May, 8 2006 @ 11:24 PM
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This is pointless. 85% of all statistics are made up!



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 11:55 PM
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Paul Bernardo is a mason.

So is Thomas Hamilton. Tony Blair impeded a wider investigation and helped protect fellow paedophile freemasons from being drawn onto the center stage...

From the Scottish Parliament Public Petitions Committee ... "This closure order was enforced not to protect the names of the children concerned, who are now adults, but to protect the names of very high-profile masons and paedophiles." More at
Times Online .

Let's not forget the murder of Mr. Calvi.

And then maybe one of you masonic defenders could explain why Thomas Menogue and his uninitiated goyim ilk are demanding to know who the freemasons are in sensitive areas of government, judiciary, and law enforcement...

Freemasons are so fun to ^&ck with


-S

[edit on 8-5-2006 by Savonarola]



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
It's a valid story and a valid link. Your discrediting him based on other "crazy" things he posted, is typical of this forum.


I'm not suggesting the story is invalid. I've suggesting that you and Eidelweisse are using some strange logic concerning this incident and how it relates to the fraternity as a whole. Eidelweisse kinda has a reputation here for using strange logic which leads to faulty conclusions. (eg: 2 Freemasons molest a child = Freemasonry promotes or fosters child molestation).


Originally posted by smallpeeps
What conclusion?


See example above, dude.


Originally posted by smallpeepsI ask you DIRECTLY, Roark: Do you think this is an isolated event?


Probably not isolated as in the ONLY time it has happened. Freemasonry is just a cross-section of men from across the earth's surface. Pedophiles exist everywhere... (even churches!). There is no magical transformation in a man's heart when he becomes a Freemason. The change occurs (as it does with non-Masons) with dedication, hard work and a commitment to principles.


Originally posted by smallpeeps
Your answer will tell me all I need to know about you.


This statement of yours is quite telling in itself...


Originally posted by smallpeepsEven when it is clearly shown that two Masons conspired to molest, this does not cause the Masonic defenders to pause. No, they just wail, "Shameful! This is not Masonry at all, but just a couple of rogues!"


It isn't Masonry. If you knew an iota of what you claim to, about Freemasonry, you would understand that this is in direct contradiction to our tenets and teachings.


Originally posted by smallpeeps
I am not saying it promotes freemasonry. The first part of your response is designed to distract. Nice try. What I am pointing to, is this fraternity's propensity to conspire in secret (duh, that's why it's a secret society) and that not all this conspiring is good for non-intitiates.


I wasn't trying to distract you. I was trying to lead you to the bleeding obvious, which is that monstrous acts, such as that described in the article, can only ever be hurtful to an organisation whose members commit them. Our teachings promote love and truth. We are also specifically instructed to obey the law and not to protect a brother who has broken the law, but to bring him to justice. Hence why any lawful Freemason would consider this an atrocity and, as you put it, cry "rogue!".


Originally posted by smallpeeps
Why do you focus your energy into defending Masonry but not children? Not one word about this story? I find that behavior to be typical of this forum, which is why I avoid it.


I "defend" children through my Masonic charities, as well as Oxfam and CCF. This is a conspiracy forum. I thought it would go without saying that I find child molestation abhorrent. If these guys are guilty, which they seem to be, then I hope they are punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I don't really see myself as defending Masonry in this particular case, but rather defending unsuspecting souls from being led down the garden path by you, Eidelweiss, and some very dodgy logic (see example earlier in thread).



Originally posted by smallpeeps
I wonder if people are able to find supreme enlightenment without Masonry? No answer yet from Masons.


Your understanding of Masonry seems to include the strange idea that we are all of one opinion.

My answer to the above question would be "most certainly yes!". Others may disagree. We are not actually the cult-victims/drones that you seem to think we are. I'm not very hopeful in convincing you of this, though.


Originally posted by smallpeeps On the contrary, I find much pleasure in being apart from that fraternity, and all fraternities. I do not pledge myself to anyone or any group.


Good on you. Best of luck with the continued free-thinking. All I would suggest is that you guard against unfounded prejudice and hysterical logic if you're serious about your journey, and the learning you absorb along the way.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 12:41 AM
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This is not a new story in England or Australia for that matter. Also, a hugh coverup resulted in the Bernardo and Homolka serial murders here in Canada and I'm sure that Mason involvement lined up that deal. The public is still pissed at how that case went down I can tell you.

The premise is this:

masons are perverts, or agents of satanists and purveyors of snuff films etc.., when someone gets caught they have to protect their loyal follower and pull every string they can eg. police, courts, politicians, media etc. They have massive power and deep roots and direct ties to all those that can finger them. It is also the MASON creed to protect members even when they BREAK THE LAW.

If you doubt me ask them.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
It is also the MASON creed to protect members even when they BREAK THE LAW.

If you doubt me ask them.


It is not the masonic creed to protect members if they break the law. Masonic obligations make use of the word 'worthy.' A mason is not worthy if he is in violation of the laws of his state, which he has sworn to uphold.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 02:14 AM
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Rubbish.

Every single newly-made Freemason is told in no uncertain terms that his obligations to his country, his religion and his family take precedence over his obligations to Freemasonry. It's in the ritual.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 02:23 AM
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I know a few masons, they are some of the best people I have ever known. I do not respect the person that started this thread at all. The title is pure trash. to add, an excuse is not...."Well im just bringing you the news...", why post something with a title like that and you know not to be 100% accurate ?

[edit on 9-5-2006 by imbalanced]



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by imbalanced
I know a few masons, they are some of the best people I have ever known. I do not respect the person that started this thread at all. The title is pure trash. to add, an excuse is not...."Well im just bringing you the news...", why post something with a title like that and you know not to be 100% accurate ?

[edit on 9-5-2006 by imbalanced]


Thank god for level headed people like you imbalanced =)



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 07:33 AM
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My take on this thread:

1. The twisted bastards who were guilty of abusing this girl should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If they were actually regular Masons, I have no doubt that expulsion proceedings are in progress, if they haven't been expelled already.

2. This "guilt by association" thing that Eidelweiss Pirate is trying to sell here is pure hogwash. He came to ATS with an agenda, and continues to have one. He doesn't care anything about facts or truth, only attacking Masons. Using his logic, I could correctly say that 99.999% of all people convicted of child molestation are non-Masons. Since Edelweiss Pirate is a non-Mason, I could claim the same "guilt by association". The absurdity of this is quite obvious.

3. Several people claimed that Aleister Crowley was a pedophile, and that he was a high level Mason. Neither claim is true. No one, not even his worst enemies, ever even accused him of being a pedophile while he was alive. Crowley often mocked Victorian society's hang-ups and hypocrisies, and was an advocate of sexual freedom (one of the reasons he was idolized by the hippies and beatniks). But of course he never condoned any child abuse in any way, shape, or form. Nor was he ever a regular Mason.

4. Someone else said the Temple of Set contains pedophiles. This false charge stems from the fact that the Temple's founder, Dr. Michael A. Aquino, was an Army intelligence officer for many years, and a Christian army chaplain had spent just as many years trying to get him kicked out of the army because of his religious beliefs. Ridiculous accusations were made, Aquino's home was raided, and was it was fairly easily determined that he and his wife Lilith were innocent of the charges.

Some people around here, and likewise all around the Internet, just need to grow up. If you have a problem with someone else's beliefs, you need to address those beliefs, state why you have a problem, and debate it in a rational manner. Sitting around calling people "child molesters" just because you don't like them is dishonest, and shows an awesome lack of integrity.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 08:14 AM
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Aside from anything else surely "North Wales paedophilia ring" implies more than 2 people. Wouldn't 2 people make a "paedophilia line" rather than a ring? Just a thought.

How many you need to make a ring though...I have no idea. I suppose if there had been 6 people involved it could have been a "paedophilia pentagram", which probably would have left the original poster wetting his pants in excitement at the thought of all those occult lizard people (Masons) up to wicked acts.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 10:05 AM
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There is a true conspiracy here, but with all the mason bashing it sure is hard to get to it...

How bout i spell it out...

For those that have debated the topic, congrats, on whichever line you play.


with proper non defensive, and non attacking dialog, this thread may still gleen something productive.

My question. Did the mason refuse to name the fellow mason due to masonic loyalty, or due to other less nefarious reasons?

If due to masonic loyalty, isn't that against the code? We wouldn't want to think the masons were no better at disclosing their garbage than the catholic church, but that is the effect of this article.

Now with these valid questions, maybe an intellegent debate can proceed.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
The comment about two crackheads saying "let's go hurt a child!" and then comparing that to this situation is UTTERLY STUPID



Really? Guess what? YOU ARE CORRECT. But I fear you are still missing the point. We appearently are dealing in absolutes here. Because a couple of Masons may have committed acts of pedophilia we are accussing all of Masonry of this. By extention all pedophiles must be crackheads(crackheads are known for this), thus all Masons are crackheads. Now this can't be as a lot of Masons are middle age and older. They wouldn't even know what crack looked like. Isn't it fun dealing in absolutes?

If you have a problem with this logic you better take it up with Edelweiss Pirate. It's his logic after all, not mine.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 10:27 AM
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Yea it's most likely not all of Masonry that engages in child tinkering, just these two fools. To assume that all Masons are pedos because of these two would be two assume that all cops are beaters just because of a few reports around town...

...

Yeah they're not all pedos.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate



"He recognised one of them as a fellow member of his Masonic Lodge, who walked up to him and asked 'Do you want to have a bit of fun?' He pointed out a girl who was with them."


This means that a Mason invited another mason to have sex with a child.

It gets no clearer than this.

This is what they do all the time. Drugs, sex, money.. anything to exercise control through blackmail (oooh a Mason word, quelle surprise!)





Clear only in your addled thoughts.

I know of some Christians who invited one another to have sex with some teenagers in their youth group. They were friends and had their own little sleaze club going.

So clearly, this must mean that Christians must all me pervert sex maniacs, eh?

If a black guy encourages his friend to go rape some girl, does that mean all blacks are involved?

Didnt think so.

You have the most skewed and absurd logic I have ever seen. And in calling it logic, I am being too generous.



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
My question. Did the mason refuse to name the fellow mason due to masonic loyalty, or due to other less nefarious reasons?



Hmm would be hard to say without directly asking the mason =)

I can tell you though that if he DID refuse to name him due to masonic loyalty he is breach of the masonic code.

"You are not to palliate or aggravate the offences or your brethren..."

- From the Masonic Ritual of the 2nd Degree

"As a citizen of the world, I am to enjoin you to be exemplary in the discharge of your civic duties; by never proposing or even coutenancing any act that may have a tendency to subvert the peace or good order of society, by paying due obedience to the laws of any state which may, for a time become hte place of your residence, or afford you its protection; and above all by never losing sight of the allegience due to the sovereign or constitutional authority of your native or adopted land, ever rememebring the gratitude owing to that country from which you have derived protection and sanctuary"

- From the Masonic Ritual of the 1st Degree.

I know there is something similar in the Third degree, will have to look it up in a second



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 01:12 PM
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I think if you systematically ignore every Mason, OTOer, and Witch, then this site starts to make a bit more sense..

Good work those of you who have rallied to the call of an end to the satanic manipulation of our world.

Oh and here's a thought, there are some people posting on this site who are LYING to protect their brotherhood. With a death threat oath hanging over your head you would do just about anything... no, in fact, you would do anything.

Thing is I won't ignore these guys, I'm keeping my eyes on the poop level, to make sure it doesn't overflow .

Funny how they attack my credibility even when I post a real live proper news story.

But then that's all I've ever done.

My only agenda is the future of the human race.

With the mason, there is no future, only hell.

[edit on 9-5-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


Oh and here's a thought, there are some people posting on this site who are LYING to protect their brotherhood.


So you keep saying. But, for some reason that doesn't bring you flattery, you've been unable to say who exactly is lying, and exactly what they're lying about. A generalized "somebody's lying" may be fine for the folks on Icke's forum, but you're on ATS now, and folks around here prefer beef and potatoes over your rice souffles.



With the mason, there is no future, only hell.


"Hell is other people". - Jean-Paul Sartre



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light




"Hell is other people". - Jean-Paul Sartre



It's this type of arrogance displayed by the Masonic folks here at ATS that makes me think that maybe the Pirate might have something after all. If you can't respect your fellow man regardless of whether he is a mason or not, or agrees with your position on the state of human affairs, then maybe you don't deserve any respect either.

I hope the quote by Sarte is not indicative of the Masonic view of us uninitiated. Sadly I think it is, as I also have a few Masons in my family.

[edit on 9-5-2006 by whaaa]



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa



It's this type of arrogance displayed by the Masonic folks here at ATS that makes me think that maybe the Pirate might have something after all. If you can't respect your fellow man regardless of whether he is a mason or not, or agrees with your position on the state of human affairs, then maybe you don't deserve any respect either.


Sorry, my man, but I can't share your charitable disposition in this particular case. The day Edelweiss Pirate came on this forum for the first time, he was caught in a lie about once having been a Mason. Ever since that time, he's devoted all his energies here in attacking those of us who exposed him as a fraud. You'll forgive me if I don't take him very seriously, I hope.





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