Chavez asking his people to make him president until 2031!

why can't I post a new reply????

lol it worked that time...

Ive seen so much rightwing bull# on Chavez. People in America hate him because GW a REAL tyrant says they are supposed to. I hate robots. Chavez has done much for Venezuela, but hey- Fujimori was hated, Allende was hated, Kuibitzchek was hated, Peron was hated...nothing new. Latinamericans enjoy personalist rule, and removing term limits is no big deal in anybody's book. Now you want communism? How about Fuehrer Bush on I.Domain? Spying on citizens? locking people up in gitmo without a trial Pinochet style? Sucks to be a Bushie, must be pretty demoralizing to attack a Jimmy Hoffa style people's man in favour of a guy seizing your trailers

Originally posted by DYepes
Lets say this helps the citizens lives prosper and the nation itself sustains on its own and wants to trade with the world. Why do they not have the right to trade with the world? If this happens the US will want to cripple its economy the way it has done to Cuba. Why? To make it look like those socialist life will not work. Of course if you are unable to trade with the globe you will be unable to acquire some resources that a small nation like Venezuela or Cuba would lack. Why do they deserve sanctions because they allow the leader to rule indefinetly and they can have better lives (so long as sanctions are not imposed)?

What are the point of the sanctions than? To say that the government must not serve its people better? Or that the indefinete ruler should not allow the policies which would help that happen?

Of course the system is going to break down and suffer with global sanctions, but that had nothing to do with an indefinete ruler or socialist lifestyle. It was the fact that someone did not want the lifestyle to appear to succeed. I wonder why that would be?

You said it like there were no other socialist countries except Cuba. What about that small country called USSR? And it's Middle Europena satellites... They collapsed and had generally #ty economy in spite of no significant US sanctions. And what about China? Do you think the life in China was better during socialism (Mao) than today (old fashioned capitalism?).

Your a fool if you think Socialism and Communism are the same thing. Think dummy- Orwell was a socialist, is he a pinko as well?

Originally posted by Nakash
Your a fool if you think Socialism and Communism are the same thing. Think dummy- Orwell was a socialist, is he a pinko as well?

Hello...Communism is Socialism's ugly step sister.... Now, a little socialism sprinkled here and there is good. Its when you cross that line, and that step sister moves in that you have mucho problemas.

Originally posted by longbow
HELLO??? Chavez is one of the men WHO WANTS TO KEEP PRICE OF OIL HIGH. It's the only way how can he fund his socialist dream. He is on of the price hawks in OPEC. And believe it or not those hawks have much more control over oil price than Exxon.

I think you've hit the bull's eye on Chavez being an oil price hawk. The more anti-American rhetoric he's spouting off, the oil markets get rattled by the tension between the USA and Venezuela, forcing the oil prices to go up a bit, precisely what Chavez has intended to raise a little more money generating from his nationalized oil industry exporting oil to the USA and keep the oil prices in Venezuela and other Latin American countries, albeit allying to Chavez, artificially real low.

Given the recent report of Ahmadinejad's supposed letter he sent to Bush that got the world's oil markets lowered the oil prices a bit today, I would not be surprised if Chavez would intend to go the opposite effect of Ahmadinejad's recent diplomatic approach, raise up the anti-American rhetoric and unnerve the world's oil markets. As if Chavez, speaking on the phone with Ahmadinejad, pondered, "Ah, it's my turn now?! Hmm, I've got an idea...".

If the two can keep up the oil geopolitical game playing against the USA...

First of all the problem is most people believe every nation with a similar system is the same. Venezuela and Cuba are nothing like China or former USSR. They are different sizes, in different geographical locations on the globe, with different needs. The fact that they were/are so massive poses a threat to any nation foolishly wishing to place crippling economic sanctions on them. This also gives their leaders an opportunity to become ever-more so corrupt.

I seriously doubt Venezuela would have the ability to threaten any kind of military counter measures as a result of direct economic attacks on it in order to destabalize their nation to instill the false belief that no kind of socialist thinking whatsoever could ever work for the benefit of the people.

The United States government sees the Venezuelan people's revolution as a threat to it's all-dominance. So it victimizes the nation and spreads as much bad press on the country as it can. Comparisons to Communism, accusations of econimic lashouts, relations of Chavez to bullying dictators, insults thrown out towards Socialist policies that are simply based on common sense...

They know no bounds, and the tiny or unforunate souls who buy into their garbage I truly pity. Venezuela has shown itself to be making bounds by helping out its poorer, and only on the day that rifles are used against the general populace will I adjust my stance on Hugo Chavez and how he runs his country.

Fck the USA Government.

Thankyou. Yet the Bushbots will believe anything they are told. Including that Chavez is a dictator when he got over 60% of the vote with dozens of other candidates running at the same time. It is truly pitiful that many people in America don't know the diference between common sense socialist policy and Communism. It truly shows the state America is in.

So it turns out, as I suggested all along, that Chavez is only seeking the chance to run for office several times in a row. Here' is a link to an article that explains this.

Clearly a lot of people on this thread are not capable of critical thinking and will gladly swallow the bait when it comes to being told who are the US' "enemies".

Chavez, remember, was the guy who offered cheap oil to poor people suffering the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Bush, of course, turned him down.

Whom would Jesus assassinate?

Well Jesus would not assassinate either one, he would simply judge them on their deeds and send them to the appropirate locations after death, but thats a whole other discussion.

America is pure capitalistic, seeking only the unchecked growth of profits and saturation of resources. While the people themselves do have and embrace good morals, fear keeps us to allow the leaders to spread their expansionist agendas.
It is irrelevcant anyways. The world is becomign tired of war, and will begin excluding America economically in the coming years if our leaders do not change their ways. I think some agressive push by our fellow citizens may help in the area of prosperity soon enough.

Whom would Jesus assassinate?

Nobody, what a curse that America has people like Pat Robertson. I myself am an Evangelical, and even if only 600,000 people out of 80,000,000 Evangelicals watch the 700 club it's too much. Anyway, I doubt anybody believes in Bush anymore, he just seemed like a Texan "good ol' boy" after the disaster which was Clinton (Waco, the whole sleazy Lewinski thing, Police state measures after Oklahoma city, terrorism running rampant, you know everything). Now who can support a man who orders Torture to people being thrown in Gitmo without a trial? Who can support someone who KNEW 9/11 was going to happen and just let it be (at minimum)? What about the shedding of innocent blood in Iraq?

Originally posted by rich23
So it turns out, as I suggested all along, that Chavez is only seeking the chance to run for office several times in a row. Here' is a link to an article that explains this.

Clearly a lot of people on this thread are not capable of critical thinking and will gladly swallow the bait when it comes to being told who are the US' "enemies".

Chavez, remember, was the guy who offered cheap oil to poor people suffering the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Bush, of course, turned him down.

Whom would Jesus assassinate?

That is correct. The term in Venezuela is 6 years with the possibility of being only two terms in power. All he is saying is that if the opposition wants to boycott elections again, he is going to ask the people to lift the 2 term limmit that is all. Actually, it is possible to have presidential elections in Venezuela every 3 years as it is stated on our constitution that if the people believe any political figure it is not doing his/her job, you can call on a referendum to remove him/her from power. This includes the president. I don't know of any other country that has this in place.

As for Chavez being the one interested in keeping the oil price high, that is crap. As it matter of fact, everytime Bush speaks the oil price goes up by at least 1 dollar. Check it out for yourself.

Originally posted by AJAG

As for Chavez being the one interested in keeping the oil price high, that is crap. As it matter of fact, everytime Bush speaks the oil price goes up by at least 1 dollar. Check it out for yourself.

You are talking crap my dear. Chavez for example always refused to raise OPEC quotas in order to make oil more expensive and recieve more funds from oil exports (let's face economically his presidency is not very sucessfull, he's able to stay in office just because of high oil prices). Not that I blame him for it - it's Venezuelan oil and he has every right to keep the price high to benefit Venezuelan economy, but pointing out to the fact that he sends few barrels of oil to the few chosen poor while he did everything to keep the price at highest possible levels is pure hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Nakash
Removing term limits. What's the big deal? Just because he's a leftist doesn't mean he wasn't elected. Better than the current Bush dynasty (That's right- America is probably one of the few democracies in which people can get away with having somebody elected prez just because Daddy is rich with powerful friends).

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You must be talking about JFK here.

Originally posted by longbow

You are talking crap my dear. Chavez for example always refused to raise OPEC quotas in order to make oil more expensive and recieve more funds from oil exports (let's face economically his presidency is not very sucessfull, he's able to stay in office just because of high oil prices). Not that I blame him for it - it's Venezuelan oil and he has every right to keep the price high to benefit Venezuelan economy, but pointing out to the fact that he sends few barrels of oil to the few chosen poor while he did everything to keep the price at highest possible levels is pure hypocrisy.

I am talking crap? ok, what was the price of oil before Bush invaded Afghanistan? What was the price before Bush invaded Iraq? What was the price of oil before Bush started his rethoric against Iran? Actually, what was the oil price before Bush got to power?

Thats ok AJAG, they will blame Clinton for passing it on to Bush. As for Chavez, I think it is noble of a leader to give oil to the poor citizens of your native nation, rather than lower the prices for the citizens of wealthy nations whos poor have more luxuries than some of their own middle-class. I guess it is ok to get mad at a foriegn leader for putting his own citizens first, and the rest of the world second, while still trying to be fair.

The funny thing about Capitalist America is it has been at war since its foundation, and burdened itself in the affairs of other nations for the past century. Yet the socialist systems are the evil ones. I honestly cannot remember the last time Communist China, Cuba, or North Korea ever invaded, or were even at war. Oh wait China and the North were at war at one point, they were defending against America.

Cuba the poor little island nation just does not have the resources to do anything because the Mother Capitalist machine has crippled its economy. And of course Venezuela is on that list now not because it is invading anyone or funding terrorism, but because the leader wants to instill a system which will put their citizens first. Only reason they are not like Cuba now is because they are exporting comfortable amounts of oil.

Originally posted by AJAG
I am talking crap? ok, what was the price of oil before Bush invaded Afghanistan? What was the price before Bush invaded Iraq? What was the price of oil before Bush started his rethoric against Iran? Actually, what was the oil price before Bush got to power?

The price of oil has only little to do with Bush actions, especially rhetoric. It's a problem with a lot of demand and lack of supply.

As for Chavez, I think it is noble of a leader to give oil to the poor citizens of your native nation, rather than lower the prices for the citizens of wealthy nations whos poor have more luxuries than some of their own middle-class. I guess it is ok to get mad at a foriegn leader for putting his own citizens first, and the rest of the world second, while still trying to be fair.

If he really wated to help the poor he would never give that oil to Massachusets. He would send it to Russia, China, Mongolia or Africa. THOSE countries are REALLY poor not US. He's not trying to be fair, he's trying to make some points by a part of US public. He's not fair, he's just *** pupulist. Wake up. I don't really think, you mean seriously what you say.

The funny thing about Capitalist America is it has been at war since its foundation, and burdened itself in the affairs of other nations for the past century. Yet the socialist systems are the evil ones. I honestly cannot remember the last time Communist China, Cuba, or North Korea ever invaded, or were even at war. Oh wait China and the North were at war at one point, they were defending against America.

Next time, don't take history lessons from homeless people. NK and China defending? LOL. Have you ever read something about Korean war? NORTH KOREA invaded south, US (and whole United Nations) were just defending it. And the Chinese were definitely not defending themselves (against what? no one wanted to attack China, no US soldier was on chinese soil) it was pure aggresion to support NK regime.
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onsidering communists wars post WWII - NK invading SK, Chinese invasion of Tibet, China VS Vietnam, Vietnam VS Pol Pot, China VS India, Russia VS China, Russian invasions to Middle Europe and Afghanistan. And Cuba send a LOT of soldiers to various African countries to support other rcommunist regimes.

Cuba the poor little island nation just does not have the resources to do anything because the Mother Capitalist machine has crippled its economy. And of course Venezuela is on that list now not because it is invading anyone or funding terrorism, but because the leader wants to instill a system which will put their citizens first. Only reason they are not like Cuba now is because they are exporting comfortable amounts of oil.

Yes, you're true that's the only reason. Chavez basically crippled Venezuelan economy, the only thing that's productive is oil industry. That's the reason why he MUST keep high oil prices, because otherwise he'd be defeated in elections, because of sh*tty economy.

Venezuela is on list primarily because they're supporting Cuba, and are even flirting with Iran long time US enemies. There are other leftist regimes in SA (like Brazil), but no one cares, because they're not supporting enemies of US. Seriously have you ever heard Chavez speaking about US? It's complete hate speech, it's only good this clown has not more resources.

Cuba is on the list because
a/ it is the last dicatorship on western hemisphere.
b/ it was US enemy during cold war and those people who led them during this period are still alive.


[edit on 15-5-2006 by longbow]

Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by AJAG
I am talking crap? ok, what was the price of oil before Bush invaded Afghanistan? What was the price before Bush invaded Iraq? What was the price of oil before Bush started his rethoric against Iran? Actually, what was the oil price before Bush got to power?

The price of oil has only little to do with Bush actions, especially rhetoric. It's a problem with a lot of demand and lack of supply.

As for Chavez, I think it is noble of a leader to give oil to the poor citizens of your native nation, rather than lower the prices for the citizens of wealthy nations whos poor have more luxuries than some of their own middle-class. I guess it is ok to get mad at a foriegn leader for putting his own citizens first, and the rest of the world second, while still trying to be fair.

If he really wated to help the poor he would never give that oil to Massachusets. He would send it to Russia, China, Mongolia or Africa. THOSE countries are REALLY poor not US. He's not trying to be fair, he's trying to make some points by a part of US public. He's not fair, he's just *** pupulist. Wake up. I don't really think, you mean seriously what you say.

The funny thing about Capitalist America is it has been at war since its foundation, and burdened itself in the affairs of other nations for the past century. Yet the socialist systems are the evil ones. I honestly cannot remember the last time Communist China, Cuba, or North Korea ever invaded, or were even at war. Oh wait China and the North were at war at one point, they were defending against America.

Next time, don't take history lessons from homeless people. NK and China defending? LOL. Have you ever read something about Korean war? NORTH KOREA invaded south, US (and whole United Nations) were just defending it. And the Chinese were definitely not defending themselves (against what? no one wanted to attack China, no US soldier was on chinese soil) it was pure aggresion to support NK regime.
C
onsidering communists wars post WWII - NK invading SK, Chinese invasion of Tibet, China VS Vietnam, Vietnam VS Pol Pot, China VS India, Russia VS China, Russian invasions to Middle Europe and Afghanistan. And Cuba send a LOT of soldiers to various African countries to support other rcommunist regimes.

Cuba the poor little island nation just does not have the resources to do anything because the Mother Capitalist machine has crippled its economy. And of course Venezuela is on that list now not because it is invading anyone or funding terrorism, but because the leader wants to instill a system which will put their citizens first. Only reason they are not like Cuba now is because they are exporting comfortable amounts of oil.

Yes, you're true that's the only reason. Chavez basically crippled Venezuelan economy, the only thing that's productive is oil industry. That's the reason why he MUST keep high oil prices, because otherwise he'd be defeated in elections, because of sh*tty economy.

Venezuela is on list primarily because they're supporting Cuba, and are even flirting with Iran long time US enemies. There are other leftist regimes in SA (like Brazil), but no one cares, because they're not supporting enemies of US. Seriously have you ever heard Chavez speaking about US? It's complete hate speech, it's only good this clown has not more resources.

Cuba is on the list because
a/ it is the last dicatorship on western hemisphere.
b/ it was US enemy during cold war and those people who led them during this period are still alive.


[edit on 15-5-2006 by longbow]

Dude you really have to stop watching CNN.