Why does this change anything?


We know that the earth has warmed up in the past, before there were even humans. We also have a good grip on the drivers and forcers of planetary climate. None of those driving forces explain the current warming.

Warming on Jupiter is an interesting coincidence but it does not necessarily have the same cause as GW on Earth.

If the warming were related it would have to be due to the sun, the only relevant factor the Earth and Jupiter share.
The sun is being watched and measured very carefully by astronomers and it is not the primary cause of our current climate change.

Hopefully this will help shift the global warming debate from what are likely false causes and placing the blame to more constructive views on how to adapt and deal with a changing environment.

Adapting to GW is essential to our survival and our governments need to make plans now. However knowing the cause and preventing further damage is just as important.


[edit on 5/5/2006 by Umbrax]

Let's not forget that Jupiter radiates more heat, than it recieves from the Sun.
Jupiter could be causing it's own global warming..

Originally posted by Marid Audran


Do I think we need to be more responsible ecologically? Yes.
Do I think that polution has a negative impact on our health? Yes.
Do I think that we are the cause of, or even a major contributor to global warming? No.

i agree in general, but with some reservation..

there are a lot of factors that have more impact than mans' pollution & fossil fuel burning. but as china, india, central asia, africa evolve and want a piece of the pie that america and the other G-8 have attained (at the expense of others)
and if their development follows a similarmodel of development,
then mans impact will shoot to near the top of the long list of climate change factors.

FYI, radon gas increases into the atmosphere as the moon waxes in its 4 wk cycle.

there's also lots of undersea volcanic activity changing the ocean current/ heat transfer mechanism, which alters the air currents over the oceans, etc

for every 'chernobel' disaster, there are other Mt St Helens or Tsunamis that are magnitudes of devestation worse than the man-made-environmental changes.

When the vast herds of buffalo/bison were nearly obliberated, mans steam locomotives replaced the flatulence that was no longer produced by the critters...
it all generally equals out!