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Originally posted by Jedi 007
But whats the difference between the roman ritual exorcism and other exorcist rituals?
Originally posted by RudyCanoza
I'd think more than twice about attempting an excorcist without proper training. As Father Malachai (sp) Martin said many times on his Coast To Coast appearances, if you try to exercise a demon and don't really know what you're doing, then the demon will haunt you for the rest of your life. Some priests have died during exorcisms from heart attack, etc.
Rules for the Gnostic Medic
1. It is forbidden for the Gnostic Doctor to eat any type of meat. (Editor's Note: Samael later revised this statement when he discovered that the Initiate needs to consume the Tattwa Tejas, which is abundant in red meat.
2. It is totally forbidden for the Gnostic Doctor to fornicate(or reach orgasm).
3. Every Gnostic Doctor must be saintly.
4. Every Gnostic Doctor must be clean of vices.
5. Every Gnostic Doctor must be married.
6. Every Gnostic Doctor is obliged to practice sexual magic daily in order to awaken the Kundalini(sexual magic without ever reaching orgasm).
7. Every Gnostic Doctor must practice the exercises of occult meditation and vocalization daily.
8. The Gnostic Doctor must possess infinite charity and infinite sweetness.
9. The Gnostic Doctor can only practice sexual magic with his priestess spouse/her priest spouse.
10. The Gnostic Doctor can never be adulterous.
"We must transform our mechanical and morbid sub-imagination and our automatic and lustful infra-imagination into the imagination of a newborn child. This kind of transformation is possible only with a special type of help, which comes from our Divine Mother Kundalini, the igneous serpent of our magical powers.
It is necessary to know how to pray to the Divine Serpent, asking Her, begging Her, to perform the miracle of transforming the subjective and mechanical imagination into that of a newborn baby. Only the Divine Mother, the Sacred Serpent, can transform the morbid sub-imagination and the bestial infra-imagination into the innocent imagination of a newborn baby.
If any esoteric student is subjected to terrible sexual tests in the internal worlds, without having first passed through long periods of daily Sexual Magic, he will fail lamentably, losing his seminal liquid in nocturnal pollutions. Without Sexual Magic, without the Maithuna, Arcanum A.Z.F., it is impossible to advance on the initiatic path."
- From the S.A.W. lecture "Sexual Energy"
Originally posted by SpanishFly
this thread caught my eye...anyway was wondering abt something related...
what happens "in real life" when someone is possessed?
i mean ive seen all the exorcist movies and recently an american haunting...so do people really start floating on their bed or what...man that would be scary to watch
how do you get possessed anyway? hollywood seems to project young girls usually...
Originally posted by Jedi 007
Originally posted by Nygdan[
Heck, you could perform the RCC rite of exorcism, unsanctioned by the church. It consists of little more than reading a prayer.
So what else besides a prayer?
[edit on 5-5-2006 by Jedi 007]
Originally posted by Census
North American Indian Shaman of all sorts do a wonderfull job of ridding one of an unwanted spirit.
Originally posted by vonwoolf appollonia
does it not say in the bible that christ gave us the power to "over the serpant" oohh darn it i can't remember but somewhere in ther he does an exorcism in front of the apostles and he tells that we (humanity) are given such power so i don't think we need the church to give us any command. i will look into it if anyone wanst and let u know exactly where it's at
I saw that movie the demon was excorsized using magic.That goes to show that there are manifestations of demons with forms.
Originally posted by Jedi 007
Well I thought about something like Constantine. He was not a priest and he could perform exorcism. So is that possible or is it just made up for the movie?
I saw that movie the demon was excorsized using magic.That goes to show that there are manifestations of demons with forms
Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
Do not think so lowly of exorcism. Its an extremely dangerous and difficult craft to perform. You are not only risking your physical body, but also your soul. Many priests and exorcists have died, gone into a coma, or had heart attacks during exorcisms.
I personally have witnessed somebody getting possessed by a demon in my church. And since the possession took place in the house of God, the demon was definiteley above average. The person who was possessed is a pastor called Pastor Liu. The possession took place during a prayer session, and it was by far the scariest thing I've seen. There was no levitating, or projectile vomit, simply painful convulsions would overtake him. In this case, we did not actually use an Exorcist to exorcise him, but instead the entire church prayed in tongues. After about 2 hours he was back to normal.
Another case happened to a member of our church. Demons invaded her house one day and she claimed to see shadows dancing on the walls all around her. When she tried praying, she felt a strong hand grab her throat and squeeze it to the point that she could not breathe. She actually ended up fainting in her room, and having a vision in which she was standing in the middle of hell. But during the vision, Hell was enveloped in bright light and she woke up in her room unharmed. Thank God that the demons had been forced from her home, but she ended up moving to a different home because of that experience.
My point is, do not become an exorcist if you are the faint of heart. Sure, the easy demons can be exorcised with some holy water and a few prayers, but the big ones are the demons who cause deaths and chaos.
I've heard of instances in which exorcists would have to perform extremely long rituals to exorcise the strong demons. In extreme cases, exorcists need to call upon angels and archangels such as Uriel and Michael. In doing so, you must burn incenses according to which angel you need and have absolute faith and courage in the face of literal death. Exorcists have a deep connection with heavenly spirits, such as seraphim and angels, and the more powerful the exorcist, the more easily he can summon these powerful beings. I learned these things from my pastors, who travel abroad and come into contact with many cases which involve demons.
Don't be an exorcist if you think you cant take it!
Originally posted by The Herbaliser
Dude you sound like a complete fool. You say you want to be an exorcist yet have no idea what type you want to be. If you are catholic then you clearly cannot do "proper" exorcisms. Yeah sure you can read a few words from the bible and throw around some holy water but do you really think what you are doing is going to be safe for you and the person who is possessed. The catholic exocists are incredibly devout people who know an incredible amount about the bible and christianity. If you are not willing to devote your life to god and the chuch to become a priest and possibly go on to become an exorcist then catholic exorcism is not for you.
Surely the type of exocist you want to become is based on your beliefs? If you are catholic then you train as a priest and maybe become an exorcist. If you are protestant you do what is required to become a protestant exorcist.
However, what it sounds like to me is you dont care what religion you follow as long as you can "banish some demons". Exorcists no matter what religion they follow are incredibly devout people and I am sure started out as a holy person and did not specifically set out to become an exorcist.
Yeah you can go around with only semi-serious religious beliefs and barely any knowledge of the religion. But what you would be doing would be outrageous. You would try and exorcise people when your knowledge is alot less than people who have spent tens of years as priests and have devoted their life to god. If you did not do properly they could die or suffer serious psychological harm.
You have approached this in a totally wrong way. If you were serious about doing exorcisms you would say something like the following : -
I am [Insert Religion] and have been so for 12 years. I have attend [Insert Religions Holy Building] weekly and have studied my religion in school for 6 years. I have decided that I want to devote my life to helping others and find the area of exoricism particulalry interesting. I understand that I will have to spend many years improving my knowledge of my religion and as stated earlier am willing to devote my life to doing it. How would I go about becoming an exoricist within [insert religion]
Instead yours seems to be the following: -
I want to be an exorcist as I watched some films and it looks cool. I am not particularly religious but am willing to change religion and beliefs so i can become an exorcist as quickly as possible. I dont want to wait 10-20 years to become one. I dont care about not being truly devout or the harm i could cause others through lack of faith and training.
You have seen a film think it would be cool but quite frankly dont have the faith or time to spend becoming a "proper" exorcist. Reading a book is not enough but i guess thats about as much work as your willing to put in. Sure go ahead and become an exoricst from reading a book but when someone is not treated properly and suffers from it whether mentally or physically maybe you would regret taking up a profession which requires great faith and training.