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JFK: The Ultimate Explanation -- The Involvement of George Bush Sr.

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posted on May, 7 2006 @ 04:40 PM
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Thx for the PDF. file, I look forward to the read. Imagine... to have George senoirs knowledge and inside info.




posted on May, 7 2006 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ikema
Imagine... to have George senoirs knowledge and inside info.


How can these people live with themselves you might ask? I couldn´t.

That´s probably why I am not rich and devious.

This thread has just been TinWiki´d



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 08:58 PM
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You have voted HardToGet for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

need i say more? i will be showing this around tomorrow, and dont worry credit will be given were due, you can believe that. big ups to ya.



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 09:00 PM
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And everything in between, you have more than definitely earned my WATS vote. From what I've gone through so far, I must say that I am very impressed with your dedication to doing this for all of us. Excellent work!!




posted on May, 7 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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HardtoGet,
What do you think of the Bush connection to the Carter assassination? I'm not sure of there being much evidence other than the would be patsies names were Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo Ortiz. At the time G.H.W. Bush was director of the CIA.
It really looks like the Bush family, Prescot to G.W. has been trying to control the govt. since 1934, and they did it eventually.



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Wow, Saint Hardtoget, we fall for whatever we want to believe in, and that's the only truth, I guess you found your truth



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 09:21 PM
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Uh let's get this straight here... here is my argument as an example of the situation from a higher perspective:

Let's assume that:

I'm a guy and I have the power to kill the US president right?? and I wanna do it right?? (but in reality I do not want to harm anyone nor do I have the ability to do so in reality).

But don't I have to check with the REAL POWER that runs the world first?

I mean if I shoot the president will it not do some of the following:

- upset financial markets
- cause wild gyrations in commodities prices
- potentially cause an attack on the USA by an opportunistic enemy
- potentially cause someone to become president without the brotherhood's approval
- potentially cause chaos in the country

Without the support of the people at the top, the people that really run the world such as:

- International bankers/federal reserve
- all the alphabet agencies and not just the one I WORK FOR.
- military industrial complex
- The Rockefellers
- Israel
- required parts of the White House and Washington
- the Media

and others.

I saw Alex Jones lengthy video on the JFK assassination that someone linked to here and I checked out the material that this thread references to and while there is good ideas here and some new info which is leading us to resolution... the idea that this started and ended with the Bushes is assanine through and through.

If the Bush's go down on this then they will start talking and tell the world WHO REALLY GAVE THE ORDER TO HAVE JFK KILLED.

As some have pointed out this is a two headed monster:

1. Who did the dirty deed
2. Who ordered it and had the POWER to make it go down and stay secret all these years.

Number 2, is what we really want to know, furthermore consider how few people or groups or organizations have the far reaching power to literally control an entire country like the US such that the truth cannot come out despite the dogged efforts of so many valiant and patriotic citizens. Who?

[Edit suggested by Majic for clarification:]


[edit on 7-5-2006 by denythestatusquo]



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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You have voted HardToGet for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Top marks, HTG! Very well done, indeed. Do you mind if I print it off and show some friends/family?



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 10:51 PM
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This Dutch guy is my kind of rich dude. Talk about putting your wealth to work. Thanks for the hard work HTG! I can't wait for the dvd. This exposure gives me hope that the 911 cover-up might not last as long as this one did. The Kennedys aren't perfect but they certainly have deserved better.

The effect of this private investigation is like pulling on a loose thread and unravelling a burlap bag full of bones. I pray that their house of cards comes down like a a couple of imploded skyscrapers and they're trapped inside like the rats they are.



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 12:42 AM
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You have voted HardToGet for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

That's truly an amazing thing you've done. I'm impressed. I only wish I had the time to do the digging that that must have entailed. How did you do all of that?

TheBorg



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 01:00 AM
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way above

yeah , I knew about sturgis
for a while now , no big surprise there.
same with poppa bush. and a few
other rats

also seen that jfk-bush vid , and was
quite impressed. I wasn't sure about Files,
and I was pretty burned out on this
whole deal anyways. So I never followed up
on the data that's been sitting there.

now with all this great info , and the
fox inside the henhouse , any thoughts on
this thing progressing to actually get some
results ?

anyways , nice job putting it all together
for what good it'll do.

besides diehards and NUTJOBS who's gonna
do more than blink twice upon hearing about this?
how many " who was jfk " are ya gonna hear ?
[ now there's a sad thought ]

and don't get me wrong , I'm all for
some justice but,
I've just seen the smoke n mirrors make
stuff evaporate too many times to think otherwise.

p.s. , I just heard cheney today , say that
he planned on sticking things through
to the end of term, unless something
extraordinary happens [ cue shark music ]



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 02:06 AM
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I don't suppose the original video on JFK is available somewhere like google video? since I speak and understand dutch I can watch it just fine, maybe if someone uploaded the video somewhere someone could use your translation as base for subtitles so the rest of ATS and the world can see this video?

I would love for this video to get exposure it deserves in the US!



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 05:24 AM
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FASCINATING!!!

This has intrigued me ever since I took an Italian Carcano rifle out and attempted to make the same type of shot.

I could make it, but not consistantly and often not within the time constraints.

I was a Marine Sniper. So I'll make the leap I am better than LHO.

Can not wait for the PDF



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 05:35 AM
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good show. good work...... my eyes hurt...



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 05:51 AM
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i just finished reading the dutch version (im belgian) i'm perplexed....

I must say, WOW , awesome article, i hope it gets the attention it deserves, altho...sadly enough, i have the feeling this won't happen



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 05:55 AM
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You have voted HardToGet for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Awesome work! I am so glad that we have an internatioal audience on this site. Thanks for translating this man's work!



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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Hey cool, Ive watched that show on TV last week, but didn't watch the entire show. I'm deffinately going to watch it again.



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 08:12 AM
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Great post HTG, dont know if you've read it but "Behold a pale Horse" by William Copper has a doccument from George Bush Snr (CIA) to J Edgar Hoover (FBI) in there that you might find interesting.
William Cooper was a Naval intelligence officer turned whistle blower and was killed for what was revealed in his book.



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 08:21 AM
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posted by HardToGet: “Thanks guys. Ím almost done . . I will not put it on a server, but share it in the P2P domain. Keep you posted . . HTG


HTG, I have previously replied to one part of your definitive report on the JFK matter relating to the Bay of Pigs operation. I said there the CIA apparently had relied unduly on informants who were more enthusiastic than the facts on the ground would support. This was very early in the new Cuban regime. I’m thinking 1960. The CIA must have concluded the operation had better than a 50/50 chance of success. I assume that because after briefing Pres. Eisenhower and the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen W., Ike authorized a “go ahead.”

Castro’s revolution in Cuba was like our 1775-1781 Revolution, in that it was essentially bloodless. The dissidents were “allowed” to leave. Cuba is about 40,000 square miles, close to the size of Pennsylvania. The CIA Factbook gives the 2006 population as 11 million. In 1960, Cuba’s population was much less, I believe in the neighborhood of 6 million. Castro allowed the upper class, the major property owning class, and the professional class to leave Cuba. About 100,000 people. I heard from a reputable source that Cuba issued bonds for the property that was effectively confiscated, but the bonds do not bear interest nor do they have a due date.

Most of the Cuban expatriates moved to South Florida. Those people have remained there since their expulsion and have worked constantly to effect the return of their property which would necessarily require the change in the from of Cuba’s economic theory from socialism back to capitalism. This large group of eager anti-Communists fitted well into the American plan to disparage socialism and communism.

I bring all this up to remind that Castro did not exterminate that 100,000 people who now form the backbone of America’s unalterable opposition to Cuba in the person of Castro. If Fidel had known then what he knows now, perhaps he would have acted differently. Cf. the Russian Revolution which saw the extermination of all perceived potential enemies. The Chinese Revolution witnessed the same harsh treatment of the likely opposition by preemption. I have read that any Chinese person who owned more than 3 acres was executed. As a precautionary measure.

The United States has no truck with socialism. All successive American governments have worked hard to assure the failure of the Castro regime. Castro was “lucky” that the Soviet Union saw a propaganda coup for them by keeping socialist Cuba “alive.” Since 1991, Cuba has had to make it on its own. I do not know if a socialist Cuba can survive when Castro dies. That 100,000 angry, old and rich Cubans have multiplied and may number a quarter-million today. On the up side for Cuba, it looks that the spread of socialism in South America may well prove to be the “savior” of Castro’s Cuba.

OTOH, you can be sure the Oval Office is debating whether to try a re-run of the 1973 Allende in Chile type resolution to what we view as a “problem” in Venezuela and other SA countries. Capitalists do not take lightly socialists.

All American investment south of the Rio Grande is in real jeopardy. Coffee, bananas and vanilla. The owners of that property have mucho influence in Congress and maybe more in the quadrennial electoral process. When I hear a person complain about this or that public policy, I ask them, “How much money did you send your Congressperson last year?” Then I remind them Archer Daniels Midland - Senator Dole’s favorite charity - sends out millions of dollars every year to selected “representatives.” Surely ADM has a lot more "access" than the ordinary voter who has just one day every 2 years to speak his or her mind. Which "access" accounts in large part for the constant boost of ethanol as a fuel additive or alternate, often touted as a renewable resource, when in fact, ethanol is a net consumer of btus, and not a net provider of btus. But the South Carolina congressman said it well, “Money talks, ****-**** walks.”

Thanks, HTG, for a great assemblage of information vis a vis JFK.




[edit on 5/8/2006 by donwhite]



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 08:39 AM
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Good work, got my vote this month too.

I have a copy of the revamped Zapruder film which I downloaded from a link on this site in a recent thread, anyone remember where I got it?






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