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It is interesting to note that many of the people who are most convinced of the truth of the premise that Bush is like Hitler and America is like Germany was in the 1930’s are people who lived in Germany while Hitler was in power. Indeed, a gentleman who grew up in Germany under Hitler and emigrated to America following WWII moved back to Europe last year. He said he was leaving because what is going on now in America is what he had experienced in Germany when he was a kid and he could not bear to stay and see that sort of thing happen in America. He said he had been too young to be able to help try to stop Hitler in Germany, and he is too old to be able to help stop Bush’s takeover in America. He said he would pray for us.
“So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice. The disappearances of 'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors -and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military. The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy. The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters - including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies....
Hitler, too, believed God was behind him. “Hitler believes he has been sent to Germany by Providence and that he has a particular mission to perform…He has been chosen to redeem the German people and reshape Europe.” (L. p. 35). “I carry out the commands that Providence has laid upon me.” (H. p. 36). Hitler believed himself to be an “Immortal Hitler chosen by God to be the New Deliverer of Germany and the Founder of a new social order for the world.” (L. p. 42.) “Providence had given him the “spark” that transformed him overnight. It was now his mission to transform the remainder of the German people by winning them to his view of life and the New Order.”
Originally posted by dgtempe
Its high time people realize the truth.
www.democracynow.org.../05/01/1336245
Report: Bush Claims Authority To Disobey Over 750 Laws
A major investigation by the Boston Globe has revealed President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office. In each case the president has issued a so-called "signing statement" that asserts that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution. According to the Globe, Bush has issued a signing statement to more than one of every 10 bills he has signed. Bush has said he can ignore Congress' ban on torture as well as Congressional oversight of the Patriot Act. Bush has also said he can ignore laws forbidding US troops from engaging in combat in Colombia and any attempt by Congress to oversee what happens in military prisons such as Abu Ghraib. NYU law professor David Golove has warned that Bush's actions threaten to overturn the existing structures of constitutional law. Golove said that having a president who ignores the court, backed by a Congress that is unwilling to challenge him can make the Constitution simply ''disappear."
Originally posted by yeahright
When you can draw a parallel between Hitler invading Poland and the elimination of a murderous regime in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan, then maybe there's room to talk about a comparison.
Leaving things status quo was no option, and was probably the most dangerous thing we could have done.
The problem, as most knew at the time, was to maintain the will to do the post-war job properly, and over an indeterminate, but undoubtedly protracted, interval.
But for me, no there's no reasonable comparison between Bush and Hitler. Bush will be out of office in 2009.
My big fear is that the next POTUS will attempt to undo much of what Bush has done on the international scene
Originally posted by yeahright
When you can draw a parallel between Hitler invading Poland and the elimination of a murderous regime in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan, then maybe there's room to talk about a comparison.
TSR-Was the government of Poland in 1939 "murderous"? Apparently so...
TSR-What steps did Hitler take in terms of diplomacy and propaganda leading up to the invasion of Poland? ...
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Leaving things status quo was no option, and was probably the most dangerous thing we could have done.
TSR-Why?
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The problem, as most knew at the time, was to maintain the will to do the post-war job properly, and over an indeterminate, but undoubtedly protracted, interval.
TSR-Yes, that indeed was the problem. However, one must not ask, not only how to do that, but also why it is worth doing. I don't see an answer, frankly.
TSR-Given what Bush has done with the powers he does possess, we have every reason to believe that, if the U.S. did have such a provision in its constitution, Bush would have invoked it after 9/11 and would now be governing America as a dictator.
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My big fear is that the next POTUS will attempt to undo much of what Bush has done on the international scene
TSR-Whereas that is my great hope. If we continue along this path, we are finished as a great power, and in the worst case scenario, as a nation.
Originally posted by yeahright
The difference I see is that Poland was at least allowing the Jews to live.
Hitler went in as a conqueror and exterminator. We liberated Iraq, but there's much work to be done.
We (and the rest of the world) were te victims of flawed intelligence.
Hussein was an obvious threat to the region, and as far as we knew, globally.
He'd ignored countless UN resolutions and was continually belligerent.
khadaffi and others in the region have been noticeably quiet lately, no?
We'll never know what hell we avoided by not going in.
Who's going to stand up to these types, if not us?
How many attacks do we endure before we say "enough" and step up?
I don't think [that Bush would become a dictator if he had the opportunity], but we'll never know.
I respectfully disagree. We've taken on a terrible responsibility, but I see the alternative (appeasement) as more dangerous in the long term.
Originally posted by yeahright
I'll certainly agree that there were multiple reasons for invading Iraq, including our own self interest. I don't see this as problematic. Invasion should have extremely compelling reasons, including, yes, our own self interest.
Al Qaeda, whose true grievances lie within the Persian Gulf, tried to destroy the Core's connectedness on 9/11 by triggering enough chaos to throw our rules into the dustbin. Its hope was to shock America and the West into eventually abandoning the Gulf region militarily, politically, and economically.
Al Qaeda hoped to eradicate western influence in the region through disconnectedness. . . . Now Iraq becomes the battlefield for the soul of the whole region. We very much need to be successful in Iraq. . . .
If we can't muster the will to win in Iraq, it sends a clear signal to the region that there is no future in the Core for any of these states, except Israel.
My view of Hussein was an is that he's a murderous thug and criminal capable of just about anything.
The other fact is that the war on terror will never be over. How do you win it? Who surrenders?