Would a real psychic please stand up?

Originally posted by mrsdudara
O I wanna try

You are a middle aged man. (on the younger side of middle aged, but you feel older than you realy are, even though you stated in another thread your 21) You have no contact with you dad....did he pass away? Your family consists of a mom, and a sister? who is close to or early in her teens. I do not see communication with a wife. Meaning I dont think you are married. You help to take care of your mom. You are not all that happy with your life. You are searching for more. You will find it after you loose that job you tried so hard to get. You make pretty good money, and hate it when you have to wear your suite, so you are quick to jump into grubbys when you get home. Your job takes up way too much time. It tries to demand your attention 100% of the time. Which leaves those around you frustrated. You arent too pleased with it either, but time is money, and you need more. You would be better off looking for another job though, as yours will no longer exist shortly. That is not bad news though, your stomach would just love it if you found a less stressful job. You will find romance within a 6mnths to a year after you loose your job. Looks promising. Dont screw it up. Stop being paranoid.

Howd I do?

Pretty good. I won't elaborate but very well done.

Sorry.

What about something REALLY specific. Like a favorite colour (I say green). Like guessing he's a Taurus or that he's grossed out by spiders. Never eats left overs EVER. Drinks Heinakin (sp) or Corona primarily. Has chipped a front tooth and has a crown over it.

Has a scar on his lower left leg from a bike riding accident at age 7.

Always wanted a motorcycle.

C'mon...something specific. Something that couldn't be "alluded" to or guesstimated by his posting name, previous posts, language style, implied attitude.

Most families are broken. Girls out number boys naturally. Guys who "seek" truths generally have abscent fathers. He likely doesn't have a sister though and I'd guess he's an only child.

Sideburns.

Hey HowMah doing??

Ok, so lottery numbers are off limits. So how about Slot machines? Blackjack decks? Super Bowls? Final Four pools?

I think that if there were REAL psychics they wouldnt be sitting in trailers with neon signs offering palm readings for $25. They would be on a carribean beach using $100's to apply coco butter.

Also, look at medical technology sales until you can get into the designing part of that field.

Originally posted by mrsdudara
Also, look at medical technology sales until you can get into the designing part of that field.

I couldn't send a U2U.

You were right about my Dad. I sense that too. You're very accurate with so little information. And the part about the medical equip, I will pass that on to my brother, he's the one in the medical biz.

Good job. I'm impressed.

Originally posted by NukeAmbition
If there are true psychics, would one please evaluate me from afar (if that is possible) and post what they found about my life and the future of my life.

I don't claim to be a psychic, but let me guess a few things:

You have an okay job, but you sometimes don't like to think of it as a "career." In any event, you don't feel like you're living up to your full potential at it. But you still consider yourself relatively young and will eventually find something more suitable.

Overall, you're a very intelligent person, but you have a hard time finding a worthy goal to concentrate your efforts on. Also, some of the people around you (including friends) don't see you as intelligent as you know you are, and that's a bit frustrating because you feel that they also hold you back.

As for the future, assuming the world doesn't end in 2012, you'll gradually advance in your career (whatever you choose), to a point where you become pretty good at it. By that time, you'll have a cute wife and a couple of kids, so you'll be relatively happy to just go with the flow.

Oh, you'll probably die of either cancer or heart disease, so it might be a good idea to stay away from the smoking (all kinds), and exercise a little more, lazy bones.

How'd I do?

Originally posted by lardo5150
Listen, if someone was really psychic, wouldn't they predict the lottery numbers or something.

Sorry, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle comes into play with psychic predictions. Once a psychic becomes an observer in the system and gets the numbers, the act of sensing the numbers throws off the random action of the selection and the numbers don't pan out. Maybe if there was a way to guess which potential envelope is selected with the numbers in it, without knowing the numbers, maybe that would help.

Anyway, in most cases, prediction or influence over the future is so teensy and tiny that it can barely be measured. Until we can find some way to amplify it, it's not very impressive or fun.

OK, I've got it.

You're a youngish male, who doesn't always get along with his family. You enjoy playing video games, especially games that challenge your ability to strategize, military style. You have an extensive porn collection, and have dabbled in dungeons and dragons, and used to love watching the X-Files. You have a job, but you don't like it, and wish you could be doing something different with your life. You also drink occassionaly, and smoke, and only recently (say in the last two years) moved out of your parents house. You own at least 3 computers.

As for future predictions, I'd say, you will get a better job someday, and probably have kids.

Aren't I amazing?

Originally posted by justgeneric
because to answer challenges from every skeptic is really a bore and not at all required.

Why is it that in mundane things (like car mechanics, dentists, plumbers) we expect (rightfully) proof in the form of passing a test every year that the person can do what they say but with really amazing out-of-this-world overturn-the-laws-of-physics claims we just believe them? It's not like psychic powers CAN'T be tested - people just choose to pretend like it's somehow impolite or even UN-spiritual to question such people. Give me a break.

I suggest the next time you hire an electrician for your house, you make sure you get someone who either didn't pass their state exam or REFUSED to take it on the grounds that they're far too busy helping people with their needs to take stupid tests. He may even come with excellent references. Still, *I'd* beware.

I don't really believe in that variety of psychic, all who have risen to fame using they're so called "psychic powers" are later proven to be fake all along.

No, I only believe in psychokinesis and remote viewing, they seem more real to me, especially psychokinesis since I've given it a shot plenty of times.

Personally I think most people don't challenge so-called psychics enough.

My psychic friends tell me they shouldn't have to (although sometimes they do), and I think it's completely fair. Especially if a person is PAYING for the service.

Oh but to the skeptics a psychic should never charge, as it cheapens their gift and or PROVES they are a fraud by taking money for their service.

One of my friends actually makes a good living at it. Is she genuine? Well, I HAVE tested her (as is my right as a best friend and gifted annoyer) and I doubt she does anything that couldn't be explained in organic terms. Does she HELP people? Yes without a doubt, in a councelling capacity I think she does great work. As a psychic..well...so she earns her money either way and her clients are appeased.

Like I responded to Mrs Dudura's reading of Nuke Ambition...it was very general and could be guessed with fair accuracy (no disrespect intended).

I think testing psychic claims is a right to all people. I also think that being open minded but wary is a good approach.

But imagine for a moment that you're a psychic and every joe blow wants proof FOR FREE with no intention on ever utilizing your "service"...then you have the right to refuse and thus deem the request un required.

Personally, I think it's very plausible that there are people with differing levels of ability in the psychic realm (the term psychic being really an umbrella term). I think we all have it - instinct, gut reaction, dreams, deja vu, feelings around and from certain people that we pick up... we really are all connected and it's unfortunate that we are so disengaged from each other or who knows the potential we could enjoy on a psychic level.

Originally posted by justgeneric
But imagine for a moment that you're a psychic and every joe blow wants proof FOR FREE with no intention on ever utilizing your "service"...then you have the right to refuse and thus deem the request un required.

Jackpot. Every Joe Schmoe wants proof, deliver and they won't accept it. They want personal proof and not something you proven to another. And people find it odd that true psychics 1. don't get into the spotlight in order not to attract to much attention or 2. simply quit proving and standing in the spot light after having dozens of requests a day. And no those requests aren't psychic related in my case, but something else. I got better stuff to do with my live then constantly deliver proof. There is a job I got to do as well as my social life maintenance and hobbies. All those minor requests from self proclaimed dumb skeptics truly start to eat up your time at one point.

As for saying that if someone was truly psychic they'd be rich by now. That is such an old and flawed statement You really want me to answer such idiocy?

Originally posted by Enyalius
I got better stuff to do with my live then constantly deliver proof.

I have better stuff to do with MY life than deliver proof to a potential client that I can program computers. But I MUST prove it. I can provide both references (who have ACTUAL working software I wrote that works no matter who's looking at it and is thus independently verifiable), and I can provide actual project samples which WORK NO MATTER WHO'S LOOKING AT IT and are independently verifiable. You know - like in *science*.

You wonder why psychics get bugged all the time by skeptics "demanding" proof? Because you're claiming something that is both amazing AND easily provable with the right experimental setup. Not stepping up to the plate and then claiming you're too busy doing good is disingenuous at best.

bah! so the kind of proof you want is lotto numbers? ha that is so funny.

As if the spirit world is going to change your destiny...lmao You think the spirit world can be used and abused for your material gain?

Clairvoyants see what is in your aura, whats coming in and whats going out.
They can also act as a medium and provide you with messages, sometimes this involves holding an item of your jewelery and other things.

There are some things people are not supposed to know. How do you tell someone that someone they love is going to have an accident and die? You dont. Because that is against the spiritual laws. Real clairvoyants dont need tarot cards either, much of the time, they use these so not to freak people out. Psychics can only tell you what they are shown and this also must be in accordance with that persons destiny.

Psychics who charge big $$ I would avoid because the spirit world gave the gift for free...and that gift is not to be used for material gain. When it is used as a money spinner, it is corrupted.

Originally posted by Sophismata
I have better stuff to do with MY life than deliver proof to a potential client that I can program computers. But I MUST prove it. I can provide both references (who have ACTUAL working software I wrote that works no matter who's looking at it and is thus independently verifiable), and I can provide actual project samples which WORK NO MATTER WHO'S LOOKING AT IT and are independently verifiable. You know - like in *science*.

You wonder why psychics get bugged all the time by skeptics "demanding" proof? Because you're claiming something that is both amazing AND easily provable with the right experimental setup. Not stepping up to the plate and then claiming you're too busy doing good is disingenuous at best.

1. You have a school degree or other papers to proof you're a skilled programmer
2. if you're in the programming business you're probably working for a company which has a formidable reputation
3. If you don't have any of the above you did something wrong

So you never MUST proof yourself other then just doing your job and deliver a good product. Same goes for me. I do what I have to do, when I have to do it and then do it right.

So let's bug everyone each day for about 10-15 times (each time a different individual asking you to proof yourself) if they are actually qualified to do what their specialism is at. That way no one can work properly and efficiently any more and get stuff done because they are to busy proving the same thing over and over and over again to different people. Doesn't matter who you deliver proof to because no1 trusts it unless they see if with their own eyes, even if you did scientific qualified tests. Unlike being a programmer where you simple hold up your papers which are backed up by several institutes making that piece of paper a valid qualification

Now do you get the point? There is a difference between having to proof your point once every few months to someone that hires you to code a program instead of being bugged a dozen times EACH DAY. After a certain amount of time you simply say "screw it" because you get tired of proving yourself over and over again and it seems endless and then you also notice it is a waste of time which you can utilize a lot more efficiently. If I wanted to do it 24/7 proving I'd join a friggin sircus. I know I'm capable of it, the people around me do and what everyone else says I no longer care for.

So making your comparising of programming, daily work, and how things work in the paranormal division are inadequate and very missinformed.

[edit on 4-5-2006 by Enyalius]

Originally posted by Enyalius
There is a difference between having to proof your point once every few months to someone that hires you to code a program and being bugged a dozen times EACH DAY.

Fine. Have each psychic prove themselves exactly ONCE (or once a year) when they're ready to take a peer-reviewed (by the scientific community who understands statistics) test. Psychics never pass these tests, by the way. And please don't go on about how the testers like Randy are biased and THAT's why psychics can't pass. The attitude or skeptic-jerk-personality of those making up the tests should not in any way affect a psychic's ability to pass the test BEYOND statistical significance in a properly controlled experiment.

Science doesn't (*currently*) believe in these powers because nobody has passed the tests. Submit yourself to a real scientific test, pass it (preferably a couple times or to replicate) and science will turn on a dime and believe. Don't believe me? There are plenty of examples of science poo-pooing something, only to find out they're WRONG (based on actual well-performed experiments) and science changes from then on.

Actually I did such tests at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands. But they won't publish any results untill more people managed to do as well to get more accurate numbers. For some odd reason even if you're 70+ % accurate they still need more statistics.

I don't mind being tested once or so, but I'll only go to a proper scientist not to some selfproclaimed parapsychologist named Randi who isn't even supported by the scientific community to begin with.

Originally posted by justgeneric

Like I responded to Mrs Dudura's reading of Nuke Ambition...it was very general and could be guessed with fair accuracy (no disrespect intended).

No disrespect taken.

To be perfectly honest, I have only done that on demand once before, and that was in person. A fella I used to work with, challenged me to prove myself, after I made some assumptions. I ended up bringing this exnavyman into tears. It wasnt intended. I didnt mean to make him upset. He took his walls down for an instant, thinking no harm would be done, and I saw what happened. It was a horrable accident, not something I enjoyed seeing or feeling. Nuke's was the first time I ever did something like that via the internet.

Me personaly, I would not trust someone who does that for a living for many reasons. I personally feel it is wrong to charge, but most of all I know what it is like, and I would never .....ever WANT to do that. When someone comes to you and they have their walls down - so to speak - it is hard telling what you are going to absorb from them. I cant imagine anyone who is truely sensitive to that would intentionally put themselfs in that possition for entertainment purposes or to gain a buck.

As for being vague, to be honest, we can only pick up on what the person will allow us to pick up. As far as Nuke is concerned, I dont think he would be appreciative if I put it all out there. It is obvious that something happened to him recently that shook his beliefs, and left him desperate for answers. I am not going to put everything out there for everyone to read, that is not fair to him. I am not going to tell him too much, because there is still a lot that he needs to figure out for himself. I know that many will take that as a cop out, and that is fine. I know that you would do the same thing. It does not offend me anymore if people dont believe or riddicule me because Im different, because I know where the riddicule is comming from.

As for scientifically proving it, I think that is a silly statement. Nothing in science disproves it. In fact, laws of energy proves it. I think that most people who ask you to prove it are wanting you to disprove it instead. It scares people. They dont want to believe, that is why they work so hard to convence people its impossable.

[edit on 4-5-2006 by mrsdudara]

Originally posted by mrsdudara
As for scientifically proving it, I think that is a silly statement. Nothing in science disproves it. In fact, laws of energy proves it.

That's not how science works. You're the one with the burden of proof since you're making the claim about powers. The way it works is a bunch of tightly controlled experiments are done, leading to enough data to give a statistically valid answer (usually to within 95% certainty, using T-tests, standard deviations, etc..). Psychic powers would become an accepted reality if they could pass these simple tests, and do so with some reliability. And no, your own measures of your effectiveness don't count.

And I think it's funny that you're relying right now on a technology (computers) that came from years of HARD scientific work using real experiments, some of which failed, all leading to your computer (which UNDENIABLY WORKS!!) - rather than a bunch of people "feeling" stuff and refusing to submit their ideas to testing by their competitors or anyone else and hiding under a veil of spirituality and "helping people" rather than submitting to mean angry skeptics.

Seriously you "psychic" dudes - the emporer has no clothes. If I challenge you on that point, why am *I* the jerk? Show the world that you've got clothes, or put some on for crying out loud.

Originally posted by Sophismata

Originally posted by mrsdudara
As for scientifically proving it, I think that is a silly statement. Nothing in science disproves it. In fact, laws of energy proves it.

Psychic powers would become an accepted reality if they could pass these simple tests, and do so with some reliability.

Oh, plenty of studies have been done with enough rigor and reliability to substantiate the exsistence of "psychic" powers. Primarily psychokinesis and remote viewing. But what has been found is that the effects are so small and intermittent that it's easy to dismiss them as experimental errors (although drug companies often release medicine with lower quality results). Another thing is that these weak forces don't quite fit conventional paradigms and physical models, so it's difficult to functionalize them. We don't know how to amplify the effects to make them easier to measure with like, electrical equipment, and make them useful. Remote viewing, for instance. Even if a remote view is exactly right on, it still has to be cross-checked for accuracy with "conventional" methods, so there's no overall gain to using it, only an additional cost.

I do like the work Rupert Sheldrake is doing. It's interesting and fun, without being confrontational or dull. It would be nice if he had a better functional theoretical framework than "morphic resonance." But, you gotta start somewhere.