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What do members/supporters of AlQueda think about US government involvement in 9/11?

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posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:07 PM
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ESdad. Saying that the Bush administration ignored things doesn't solve the situation.

Infact they knew fullwell that an attack was coming. Even FEMA documents had a target sign over the WTC in the most recent exercises before 9/11.

Face it. 9/11 was an inside job. There is just too many things that have come to light which show the Bush admin knew more then it's letting on.




posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:16 PM
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Our government is not smart enough nor equipped to pull off something of the magnitude of 9/11. The reason DHS was created was because of the intel failures that were found during the 9/11 investigation.

I mean, if it was a government operation, would they not have made sure flight 93 had reached its destination, when in fact they shot it down themselves?



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:26 PM
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Perhaps you should look into all the military exercises that were going on at the exact same moments and with the exact same scenarios.

Maybe then you'll see 9/11 in a new light.

lol. I wouldn't look to the DHS to save you. It's become too beurocratic for it's own good (sp)



[edit on 2-5-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
Our government is not smart enough nor equipped to pull off something of the magnitude of 9/11.


Huh? And you believe that some people with access to limited cash (remember Bin Laden was suppossedly blacklisted from his family) halfway around the world could? Logic fails me on this one.


The reason DHS was created was because of the intel failures that were found during the 9/11 investigation.


I was under the impression that the DHS was founded not too far after 9/11? How could it be created after the 9/11 investigation?


I mean, if it was a government operation, would they not have made sure flight 93 had reached its destination, when in fact they shot it down themselves?


Unless they are right that the passengers were taking over the plane only to realize that the arab highjackers where not infact who they (the government) want us to believe. Dead men tell no tales so to speak.

p.s. can I use the first quote in my signature like Howard likes to do?

[edit on 2-5-2006 by Griff]



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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1. I am well aware of all the military excercises that went on that day, jsut like they do everyday. For the past 3 weeks something has been up here in Florida because I see an increase in blackhawks. It is called training excercises.

2. I did not state the 9/11 commision was the preface for DHS but that the intel failures that were known about and exposed during the 9//11 commission were one of the main reasons that DHS is needed.

3. Ayman_al-Zawahiri recurited bin LAden, not by the CIA. This is where money and connections came from.

4. Yes, you can use that quote.


5. When I state that we could not have pulled it off, I mean we could not have pulled it off and keep it quiet. I mean, if Brad Pitt takes a piss the press knows, do you really think there is anything to be hidden from journalists about 9/11?

[edit on 2-5-2006 by esdad71]



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
do you really think there is anything to be hidden from journalists about 9/11?

[edit on 2-5-2006 by esdad71]


How about the no video fotage of the pentagon attack for starters.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 03:57 PM
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Video footage was released at the Moussaui trial.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy_Mr_Crowley
Face it. 9/11 was an inside job.

lol
So the CIA was warning the CIA who was warning the Bush admin about a terrorists attack that the Bush admin told the CIA to carry out?


What exactly is the current theory? People are quick to say it was an inside job by the government while in the same breathe saying the government was being warned by the government....



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Define Alqueda

Or is it AlCIAda???

This thread will turn into another pissing contest about the merits of the official story.

honestly who in their right mind who supports a supposed terrorist organization actually respond to this question on the internet. The pentagon and NSA come here every day, doncha know.

It all about power, money, money, power, resouces, power, survival, war, imperialism, religion, power, money, money, money to infintiy.

It is so sad that we spent billions of dollars killing each other and preparing to kill each other, when time will do us in anyway.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 05:23 PM
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Simply put, there are certain people who have very poor perceptions regarding the US government or the Bush administration being behind the 9/11 attacks. People tried to throw all kinds of "proofs", "statements" and "conspiracy theories" from the Internet, as if the Internet is always right about everything and government versions are always wrong. I can understand their "obsessive" needs to offer different alternative views instead of the official versions. I mean this is the ATS.com - deny ignorance and all that.

Those who believed or assumed that the 9/11 attacks are an inside job are really amateurs. They are like trying to solve the cause of arson by simply pointing a burnt piece of wood on the floor as the evidence of arson.

Three questions should bear in mind for those who think 9/11 attacks as an inside job:
1 - Were you there with the real investigators on the causes of the 9/11 attacks as well as being physically at the affected sites during the investigations?

2 - Do you have any credible expertise to prove and determine, without a doubt, the 9/11 attacks as an inside job?

3 - Do you have any solid experience and/or skills in intel gathering, federal administrative tasks, infrastructure engineering, airline engineering, demolition/explosion materials, autopsy, fire investigation, counter-terrorism, law enforcement, etc. etc. or all of above??

Please, please do not provide me hyperlinks to other experts or websites on all things relating to the 9/11 attacks.

The questions I'm asking are for the members participating in this discussion thread.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by pawnplayer
Simply put, there are certain people who have very poor perceptions regarding the US government or the Bush administration being behind the 9/11 attacks. People tried to throw all kinds of "proofs", "statements" and "conspiracy theories" from the Internet, as if the Internet is always right about everything and government versions are always wrong. I can understand their "obsessive" needs to offer different alternative views instead of the official versions. I mean this is the ATS.com - deny ignorance and all that.

Those who believed or assumed that the 9/11 attacks are an inside job are really amateurs. They are like trying to solve the cause of arson by simply pointing a burnt piece of wood on the floor as the evidence of arson.

Three questions should bear in mind for those who think 9/11 attacks as an inside job:
1 - Were you there with the real investigators on the causes of the 9/11 attacks as well as being physically at the affected sites during the investigations?

2 - Do you have any credible expertise to prove and determine, without a doubt, the 9/11 attacks as an inside job?

3 - Do you have any solid experience and/or skills in intel gathering, federal administrative tasks, infrastructure engineering, airline engineering, demolition/explosion materials, autopsy, fire investigation, counter-terrorism, law enforcement, etc. etc. or all of above??

Please, please do not provide me hyperlinks to other experts or websites on all things relating to the 9/11 attacks.

The questions I'm asking are for the members participating in this discussion thread.



Most people here are going to say they are not experts in these areas. But what makes an expert? Do you need a fireman tell you your house is on fire?
Do you need a mechanic to tell you your car wont start. Do you need an airline, or military expert to tell you there are 600 anomolies behind 9-11? What is an Expert?

Reducing the events of 9-11 to a burnt piece of wood is using the analogy argument.

Analogy is either the cognitive process of transferring information from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), or a linguistic expression corresponding to such a process. In a narrower sense, analogy is an inference or an argument from a particular to another particular, as opposed to deduction, induction and abduction, where at least one of the premises or the conclusion is general. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves, which is often, though not necessarily, a similarity, as in the biological notion of analogy. - WIKIPEDIA

To use this analogy is a great injustice to the thousands of innocent lives LOST and the other tens of thousands of lives DESTROYED by wars that came from the events of 9-11.

We are free thinking and feeling creatures. Because we are not "experts" does not mean we cannot speak with authority or authenticity about the events that happen in our reality.

Most people who question the official story do not have expert opinions, but rather common sense and hundreds of questions. Why is my house on fire? Why wont my car start? Why? Why? Why? The lack of answers is deafening.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by pawnplayer
Three questions should bear in mind for those who think 9/11 attacks as an inside job:
1 - Were you there with the real investigators on the causes of the 9/11 attacks as well as being physically at the affected sites during the investigations?

2 - Do you have any credible expertise to prove and determine, without a doubt, the 9/11 attacks as an inside job?

3 - Do you have any solid experience and/or skills in intel gathering, federal administrative tasks, infrastructure engineering, airline engineering, demolition/explosion materials, autopsy, fire investigation, counter-terrorism, law enforcement, etc. etc. or all of above??

Please, please do not provide me hyperlinks to other experts or websites on all things relating to the 9/11 attacks.

The questions I'm asking are for the members participating in this discussion thread.


1. No, but many people who were there also agree with the conspiracy theories.

2. No, but do you have any evidence to determine that it was the 100% official story?(no links)

3. I know the charactoristics of a thermite fire and I know thermite was burning in the towers. I have a link that shows it, but you said not to post links.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by pawnplayer
1 - Were you there with the real investigators on the causes of the 9/11 attacks as well as being physically at the affected sites during the investigations?


Did I miss something? I've been waiting for my government to investigate this for like 4 and a half years.

From what I remember, there was no investigation regarding the causes of the 9/11 attacks. We were shown some videos of the supposed perps and a video of Bin Laden praising the attacks. Oh, and we were told that this was carried out by people who were jealous of our freedoms.

We investigate everything in excruciating detail, but the most devestating attack on American soil, nothing.

So, in answer to your question, I was not there with the real investigators on the causes of the 9/11 attacks.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mog_of_Eligius
To use this analogy is a great injustice to the thousands of innocent lives LOST and the other tens of thousands of lives DESTROYED by wars that came from the events of 9-11.


My point is referred to these so-called "experts" who think, believe or assume the 9/11 attacks was an inside job, not the unfortunate victims of the attacks.


Originally posted by Mog_of_Eligius
We are free thinking and feeling creatures. Because we are not "experts" does not mean we cannot speak with authority or authenticity about the events that happen in our reality.

Most people who question the official story do not have expert opinions, but rather common sense and hundreds of questions. Why is my house on fire? Why wont my car start? Why? Why? Why? The lack of answers is deafening.


Granted, peoples who were affected by those who were killed in the 9/11 attacks can ask these questions and have the right to expect answers.

The truth is that most answers are not always satisfying to some peoples. It's like asking God, "why me, Lord?!" when God cannot give you a straight answer right away.

I am still not satisfied with the answers I was taught about the real causes of World War II, so I have to accept the "official" versions for granted because I WAS NOT ALIVE at the time.

There is a point that we all have to stop asking these questions and just move on with life. The 9/11 attacks happened, regardless of whether it's an assumed inside job or a real genuine terrorist attack.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 09:04 PM
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Pawnplayer
Im not gonna disagree with you on the conspiracy theory. More then likely it was an outside source and not inside. What I don't understand is , why would any evidence be surpressed from the public? Why would it be classified as top security by hiding something under a blue canvass and confiscation of tapes or videos of the event, and yet when it comes to acts of war we are entitled to know about Foreign Military installation sites, Nuclear sites, and other high security topics. When this evidence is used against Missaoui for example or any of the other suspects, the heading of the suit says The People -Vs- such and such. Why is it ok to hear about the act but not actually witness it on whatever media is available? It just doesn't seem right. Seems to stir the pot more when people have unasnwered questions. Seems to me that would present more of a security threat to have a bunch of citizens that are unsure of their governmets motives. Some people are unpredictable.



posted on May, 2 2006 @ 09:04 PM
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I've read numerous threads here and other places about the US government's involvement in 9/11 and a lot of it is quite convincing. But something I've never seen is how members or supporters of AlQueda feel about that possibility.


AlQaeda is a CIA invention. AlQaeda isn't real. AlQaeda isn't your local mickey mouse club that offers memberships and weekend meetings discussing new means to attack the west because they hate their freedom and values. Since there is no AlQaeda thus there are no supporters.


If they think it's true or if it is in fact true, then wouldn't they have negative feelings towards what took place that day? Especially given what has taken place since then? All 9/11 did was pave the way for the US to achieve it's well known goals in the Middle East, no? It seems like this would not be a "victory" for AlQueda?


However if you mean supporters of the "cause" of some of the aspects that the so called AlQaeda represents i,e freedom from western tyranny, liberation of Israel etc than all the people I have met (muslims/arabs) do not really care who was behind 9/11. The US government had an agenda and carried it out. However if the government is ever exposed we would appreciate losing the title of "terrorists" for a day or two. However I wouldnt be surprised if later it was claimed that we brainwashed everyone from Bush to Wolfowitz and whoever else was responsible.



Are there websites/forums in English where members/supporters of AlQueda address this subject?


yeah, goto alqaedafornonarbs.com/forum. The discussion on "Should we bomb the Great Satan's embassy before of after the friday prayer?" is quite interesting.


Is AlQueda extremely exaggerated?

Is AlQueda even real?


Does it really matter if they're real? I don't think it would make much of a difference. Americans/The west or whoever this propoganda/lies/bull# is being sold to are in general too lazy, comfortable or dumb to know or even try to learn otherwise. They choke down whatever bull their government is spoonfeeding them and would rather more anxiously awaiting for updates on the the pitt/anniston breakup.



Btw Its Al-Qaeda



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by AccidentallyOnPurpose
AlQaeda is a CIA invention. AlQaeda isn't real. AlQaeda isn't your local mickey mouse club that offers memberships and weekend meetings discussing new means to attack the west because they hate their freedom and values. Since there is no AlQaeda thus there are no supporters.

And which world would this be?


en.wikipedia.org...

Afghan Jihad
His wealth and connections permitted him to pursue his interest in supporting the mujahideen, Muslim guerrillas fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. (See: the History of Afghanistan.) By 1984 he had established an organization named Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) (Office of Order in English), which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the world into the Afghan war.

Some argue that MAK was supported by the governments of Pakistan, the United States[6] and Saudi Arabia, and that the three countries channelled their supplies through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). This account is vehemently denied by the U.S. government, which maintains that U.S. aid went only to Afghan fighters, and that Afghan Arabs had their own sources of funding, an account also supported by Al Qaeda itself. [7].

Robin Cook, former leader of the British House of Commons and Foreign Secretary from 1997-2001, wrote in The Guardian on Friday, July 8, 2005, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally 'the database', was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."


Formation of al-Qaeda
By 1988, bin Laden had split from the MAK and established a new militant group, later dubbed al-Qaeda by the U.S. government, which included many of the more militant MAK members he had met in Afghanistan. The Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989 and bin Laden was lauded as a mujahideen hero in Saudi Arabia.


en.wikipedia.org...-Qaeda

Afghan jihad
Al-Qaeda evolved from the Maktab al-Khadamat (Office of Services, MAK) — a Mujahidin organization fighting to establish an Islamic state during the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Osama bin Laden was a founding member of the MAK, along with Palestinian militant Abdullah Yusuf Azzam. The role of the MAK was to channel funds from a variety of sources (including donations from across the Middle East) into training Mujahidin from around the world in guerrilla combat, and to transport the combatants to Afghanistan. The MAK was mostly funded by donations from wealthy Muslim individuals but was also allegedly aided by the governments of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and indirectly by the United States, which channeled much of its support via the Pakistani intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate. During the latter half of the 1980s, the MAK was a relatively minor grouping in Afghanistan with no direct combatants; rather it limited its activities to fundraising, logistics, housing, education, refugee care, recruitment and the financing of other mujahideen.

After a protracted and costly war lasting nine years, the Soviet Union finally withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989. Mohammed Najibullah's socialist Afghan government was rapidly overthrown by elements of the Mujahidin. With Mujahidin leaders unable to agree on a structure for governance, anarchy ensued with ever-changing control of ill-defined territories falling under constantly reorganising alliances and schisms between regional warlords.

Outreach from Afghanistan
Toward the end of the Soviet military mission to Afghanistan, some mujahideen wanted to expand their operations to include Islamist struggles in other parts of the world. A number of overlapping and interrelated organizations were formed to further those aspirations.

One of these was the organization that would eventually be called al-Qaeda which was formed by Osama bin Laden in 1988. Bin Laden wished to extend the conflict to nonmilitary operations in other parts of the world; Azzam, in contrast, wanted to remain focused on military campaigns. After Azzam was assassinated in 1989, the MAK split, with a significant number joining bin Laden's organization.

Gulf War and start of U.S. enmity
Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 had put the Saudi Arabian ruling House of Saud at risk both from internal dissent and the perceived possibility of further Iraqi expansionism. In the face of seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. But from the strategic viewpoint, were Iraqi forces to be ejected from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia provided the only possible land-bridge whereby international troops could assemble in order that the Iraqi invasion could be repulsed.

After some deliberation the Saudi Monarch refused bin Laden's offer and instead opted to allow United States and allied forces to deploy on his territory. Bin Laden considered this a treacherous deed. He believed that the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.

Shortly afterwards, the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.


pre 9/11 timeline
Tons of info

Also shows how much our intel agencies screwed up...



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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later dubbed al-Qaeda by the U.S. government


Like I said there is no actual organization known as AlQaeda, just a bunch of groups with a few shared ideologies. People do tend to be supporters of some of these ideologies but not many can claim to be "AlQaeda" supporters.

The people of Afghanistan were just pawns used to further the agenda of either the Soviets or Americans and were left to fight it out amongst themselves leaving a huge power gap once the objective was acheived. Iraq is heading in the same direction.



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 04:05 PM
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If you people think that 9/11 wasn't an inside job then you'd been had. The US military is the only ones capable of something like that. Sure the military does exercises all the time but on 9/11 they had exercises of the exact same scenarios and at the exact same times as the attack itself.


it's too much of a coincidence. of course though there are no coincidences in this game.

On top of that 150 different countries and intelligence agencies warned the US before hand and yet they play the dumb card. It just doesn't make sense.


How could terrorists plant explosives in the building? We've all seen the videos of 9/11 and testomony from people who were there. It's clear that the building was brought down by internal explosives. The fires only burned for 56 minutes so that would have not been enough time to melt the steel enough for the building to collapse exactly like a controlled demolition.

9/11 was a False flag terrorist attack. Governments in history have done it all the time for whatever their personal gains and interests are. Hitler did exactly what Bush is doing now. Fake a terrorist attack, blame a foreign enemy, bring down the consititution and build a police state.

History is repeating itself in case some of you can't understand that.

[edit on 3-5-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy_Mr_Crowley
On top of that 150 different countries and intelligence agencies warned the US before hand and yet they play the dumb card. It just doesn't make sense.

This doesn't make sense.
You just said 150 countries were warning the US of a terrorist attack.
Meaning it was a terrorist attack.
But you're claiming it wasn't a terrorist attack.


How could terrorists plant explosives in the building? We've all seen the videos of 9/11 and testomony from people who were there. It's clear that the building was brought down by internal explosives. The fires only burned for 56 minutes so that would have not been enough time to melt the steel enough for the building to collapse exactly like a controlled demolition.

There are a million threads addressing this, I suggest you read them....


9/11 was a False flag terrorist attack. Governments in history have done it all the time for whatever their personal gains and interests are. Hitler did exactly what Bush is doing now. Fake a terrorist attack, blame a foreign enemy, bring down the consititution and build a police state.

History is repeating itself in case some of you can't understand that.

lol
We don't live in a police state now and Bush has only two years left. I guess he'd better hurry up



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