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Originally posted by skippytjc
Mmm...It’s worse than I ever anticipated. The jealousy of the F-22 is staggering. I knew it was a factor on these boards, but I had no idea it was so rampant.
And thank you ch1466 for mentioning other planes and programs that had similar issue's, as I am sure there are many many more. Again proving this is not news worthy and a common occurance with new programs, regardless of expense.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
The report only seems to talk about the wing and horizontal stabiliser, and it is a design problem, again, not mentioned in the report.
Maybe not, as its been indicated that its a manageable problem, so to minimise costs they'll leave it alone and fix on an as-needs basis...
The structural flaws were identified after officials discovered cracks during fatigue testing, according to Raptor program office officials. Air Force officials have identified structural problems in two areas of the plane.
Initial evaluations have shown that this is not a safety-of-flight issue and has not caused any flight restrictions,” Karas said. “At this time, we do not anticipate a need for retrofit or redesign.”
Karas stressed that the aircraft’s design is not flawed, but rather the problem lies with one supplier’s manufacturing process. He did not name the supplier in the statement.
Scheirmann said it’s common for engineers to find issues in new aircraft that require adjustments.
“As the aircraft come down the production line, they continue to test the fleet,” Scheirmann said. “Sometimes, we find areas where we want to go back and enhance the capability or upgrade the aircraft.”
Originally posted by WestPoint23
No, it’s not a design problem; it’s a manufacturing one. And they don’t have to fix it right away because the problem only manifests itself after a certain point of the Raptor estimated service life.
Originally posted by skippytjc
#1 OK, par for your course Zion, and ill leave it at that.
#2 So? You mean the brand new prototype, 5th gen fighter never ever before produced prior to now needs some modifications? OMG!
Man you guys make me laugh in regards to the F-22.
Look, we get it: It’s expensive!
But to introduce things like this like it’s telling about the program or unique is nothing but plain silliness. Nearly every plane produced known to man has undergone changes and modifications at one time or another, some a great deal more significant than this. There have been commercial planes that flew for DECADES with flaws that weren’t detected.
Bottom line is there is nothing to see here, barely news worthy. Same as that locked cockpit. The only reason this is news is because you guys have an agenda against the plane and the program is expensive.
I hate to say this, but I have too: Its jealousy. The plane is better than whatever plane you chose as your favorite prior to this one. Here is this great plane, made by the *gasp!* Americans heavens forbid, that’s supposed to dominate the skies. And it mostly looks like it meets the hype.
Im sorry guys, once and awhile American arrogance is founded in reality. The F-22 is the real deal, just accept it and find something else to hate us for…There is plenty to choose from, but this isn’t one of them.
Originally posted by Canada_EH
new news to me about the virtical fin flutter. Can any one confirm this? It does make sence that it could be a problem as I think that a number of other twin virtical stablizer planes have had the same problem.
Originally posted by Tha Troubleshoota
I see that the main point is that these are extinct and a relic of the Cold War.
Last week, Lockheed Martin announced that its profits were up a hefty 60 percent in the first quarter. The company earned $591 million in profit on revenues of $9.2 billion. Now, if the company could just figure out how to put a door handle on its new $361 million F-22 fighter, its prospects would really soar.
On April 10, at Langley Air Force Base, an F-22 pilot, Capt. Brad Spears, was locked inside the cockpit of his aircraft for five hours. No one in the U.S. Air Force or from Lockheed Martin could figure out how to open the aircraft's canopy. At about 1:15 pm, chainsaw-wielding firefighters from the 1st Fighter Wing finally extracted Spears after they cut through the F-22's three-quarter inch-thick polycarbonate canopy.
Total damage to the airplane, according to sources inside the Pentagon: $1.28 million. Not only did the firefighters ruin the canopy, which cost $286,000, they also scuffed the coating on the airplane's skin which will cost about $1 million to replace.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
In all fairness they are saying that the fix will only cost $100 million now. It was something to do with a titanium component that wasn't properly heat treated.
Originally posted by Darkpr0