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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 05:17 AM by waynos
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Well, to me, that counts as being classified. The misinformatioon was designed to keep its true purpose a secret. If it wasn't classified then they
would have just said 'here's our new high altitude reconnaissance aircraft'.
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 06:36 AM by ghost
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A 'What If': If the Aurora was Stolen
Originally posted by mlindahl
Does the Aurora exist? Maybe, maybe not. But and however...there were leaks and rumors about both the RS-71 (before it was released, it was the RS),
and the F-117, and no one had the opportunity/intelligence/balls/manpower/etc. to steal something like that. 
Most Top Secret aircrat are kept at Groom Lake! No remotely sane person, whould try to steal anything from there! They would find out real quickly
that those signs that read:
USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED
Are not a joke! Back when the F-117 Nighthawk was still Top Secret, they used to have Guards with M-16 in the hanger just in case all the other
defenses failed!
 When it comes to National Security, Dubya and his cronies (or should I say "Dubya's cronies and Dubya  ) do not mess around. 
Of course not! Bush just gives away the names of covert CIA operatives in the feild, because their relitives don't like his assinine and pethetic
policies! Have you ever wondered why noone ever got busted for leaking the idenity of CIA operative Valirey Plame? Maybe it's because her huband was
brave enough to speak out against Bush and his self-rightous Cronnies in the White House!
OK, Ok, Ok, I'll put the soap box away now! Sorry if I took that off topic, but I just had to get that off my chest!
Tim
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 07:18 AM by apex
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Why bother stealing it? If you did, I would say "Hooray" and feel exceptionally happy that someone had just annoyed the USAF that much.
But other than that, I'd rather try to EMP the entire of Groom Lake. It would be brilliant, and far more worthwhile than stealing one plane.
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 05:13 PM by cyberdude78
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Actually that makes me wonder something. If electromagnetic discs are stored at Groom Lake, would EMP cause them to start up on their own?
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 05:22 PM by gfad
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Originally posted by mlindahl
Well, the Blackbird was first named the RS-71 Blackbird and during the announcement speech by one of the presidents (I forget his name), he
mispronounced it as the SR-71 Blackbird, so they changed it. 
This isn't true, its just a popular rumour/urban myth. The name was changed because Curtis LeMay preferred the SR designation over the RS.
Originally posted by mlindahl
As for the F-22 Raptor, we all know it was "modelled" after the YF-23, but it's design was just less expensive, so it won out. 
This is totally wrong, the yf-22 and yf-23 were competeing designs in the same project developed by two separate companies. The yf-23 in no way
inspired the f-22, surely even the numbering can show that!
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 05:31 PM by Enkidu
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I think it might be a good idea to send Clint Eastwood after it. He got away with Firefox, didn't he?
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 06:19 PM by planeman
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Conspiacy 101
I know that the Aurora is really a stolen Russian super jet that must be kept secret because of the illegality of the acquisition. The Russian's too
never admitted to the embarrassment of having an American movie star waltz in a pinch a plane.
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 08:38 PM by Christian IX
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Then you get a bad sequel to Broken Arrow.
I'd fly it to Russia... They could make use of it.
It's not exactly the first time this has happened.
You think Broken Arrow was fiction too? in about 30 years, the USA has lost over 60 nuclear weapons around the world. YOU ARE NOT FIT TO HANDLE
NUKES!!
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 08:39 PM by Christian IX
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The NEW, Honda RS-71 Blackbird!!
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reply posted on 2-5-2006 @ 11:00 PM by GrOuNd_ZeRo
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Well, your question could simply be what would happen if I steal a F-16? you wont even get away with that because it's very hard to do, first of all
you have to know how to fly it and then you have to avoid being shot down by SAMs or other fighters.
Now imagine a multi-billion top-secret spy plane where no documentation exist of on how to fly it.
Another problem simply is, no one ever was able to take a photograph of the Aurora, well there are some pictures of delta-wing aircraft but we aren't
even sure if it IS the Aurora.
Also the existance of the Aurora is still being disputed, no one is sure if it even exist, while I believe in the posibility.
Here is a picture that alledgedly is a 90% accurate model of the F-121 Aurora.
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Looks cool doesn't it?
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reply posted on 3-5-2006 @ 06:58 PM by Browno
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If i happene to steal it, I would fly it to a foreign country and land it in a civillian airfield or some big international airport, then get away
from it as fast as i can, take an overall and pretend im a ground crew member and pretend it never happened.
Would there be a bomb aboard the Aurora in case it got stolen? It may have being a top secret plane so it would be there to prevent security
leakages
It may also be remote controlled from the ground too!
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reply posted on 2-6-2006 @ 11:43 PM by TSR2005
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I think you'll find it parked next to the Phantom Arrow
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reply posted on 3-6-2006 @ 12:13 AM by Shugo
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reply posted on 3-6-2006 @ 12:17 AM by Nventual
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Originally posted by waynos
I've always said that the Aurora has been secret too long (25 years and counting) for it to be real, 
Is it not possible that the name "Aurora" is used for any aircraft that has not yet been declassified?
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reply posted on 13-6-2006 @ 10:08 PM by TSR2005
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Aurora
Only the really fast ones. Until we're told exactly what it is, the name is pretty much up for grabs.
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reply posted on 14-6-2006 @ 05:04 AM by ghost
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Originally posted by Nventual
Is it not possible that the name "Aurora" is used for any aircraft that has not yet been declassified? 
That's an intresting theory! However, I must say that it makes sense. It would certinally explain why the Aurora seems to be the secret project that
never goes away.
Tim
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reply posted on 14-6-2006 @ 06:26 AM by waynos
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It is a possiblity, however descriptions of what 'Aurora' is supposed to be have been pretty consistent in the whole time, suggesting just one type
of aircraft.
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reply posted on 15-6-2006 @ 06:10 AM by ghost
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Consistent?? I don't follow your thinking!
Originally posted by waynos
It is a possiblity, however descriptions of what 'Aurora' is supposed to be have been pretty consistent in the whole time, suggesting just one type
of aircraft. 
Well, I have to disagree? Consistant in what way?
here is a quick List of some of the inconsistencies I've seen in the Aroura Story over the years:
Speed: I've seen speeds from Mach 5 to Mach 20 reported.
Maker: Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, and Loral
User: CIA, NSA, DIA, USAF
Bases: From Groom Lake, to a base in Alaska
Engines: From Turboramjets to PDW Engines
No Offence, but where do you see consistency here? The only think I see that all of these stories have in common is that they involve a secret spy
plane!
Can you eplaine where you see consistency here?
Tim
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reply posted on 15-6-2006 @ 06:42 AM by waynos
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I see consistency in the very assertion that the Aurora *is* supposed to be a large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird, that
is the core belief and that has never changed, it is not generally supposed to be a fighter or a UCAV or a flying anti grav disc or any of the other
many fanciful ideas for 'black projects' that are in circulation.
How fast it goes, who built and where it is based etc are all simply attempts to impose 'details' to this vaguest of outlines from pure guesswork.
Out of all these varying details you listed the mere fact that *everyone* is talking about a supposed large hypersonic strategic spy plane that
replaced the Blackbird points to it being a single entity that nobody can exactly pin down.
Therefore I would say that the 'Aurora' refers to a single type.
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reply posted on 16-6-2006 @ 04:39 AM by ghost
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Originally posted by waynos
I see consistency in the very assertion that the Aurora *is* supposed to be a large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird, that
is the core belief and that has never changed,
How fast it goes, who built and where it is based etc are all simply attempts to impose 'details' to this vaguest of outlines from pure guesswork.
Out of all these varying details you listed the mere fact that *everyone* is talking about a supposed large hypersonic strategic spy plane that
replaced the Blackbird points to it being a single entity that nobody can exactly pin down.
Therefore I would say that the 'Aurora' refers to a single type. 
Fair enough, I'll give you that one!
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