Greetings fellow ATS'ers, hope everyone is doing well....
Purely out of curiosities sake, I have recently picked up and read a copy of Anton Szander Laveys "The Satanic Bible," as well as "The Satanic
Now before I get people holding this against me, let me state that it was purely out of curiosities sake, I do not consider myself a Satanist in any
way, shape or form...
I have a few questions, if we have any members of the Church of Satan here, or any Thelemites....
In the Satanic Bible, the writer of the foreword goes into some detail about the life of Anton Szander Laveys, and how he became qualified to write
The Satanic Bible...
The aforementioned writer states that Lavey was searching for his dark religion, and joined a group of Thelemites, however, he was unimpressed as they
were more Mystic than deserving of the notoriety he thought they wielded...
My first question to Thelemites is, I was unaware that you were considered to be a dark evil religion really, except by certain fundamentalists,
nowhere in any writings of the O.T.O that I have read is participating in evil encouraged... what is your opinion on this?
I understand that the O.T.O doesn't speak for all Thelemites or Occultists (for lack of a better word,) but I know more about them than say the
Golden Dawn, how does being described by the writer of the Satanic Bible as "fellow kindred lacking enough in evil" make you feel?
Similiarly, my next question is about Crowley and Lavey. Lavey's book compares himself to Aliester Crowley, whom it states Lavey read "some" of his
works, and once again, wasn't impressed enough to follow this, wanting to go down a darker and more legitimate path than Crowleys writings led to.
Having read "some" Crowley, and now some Lavey as well, my own opinion is that Crowley's writings are not only more interesting and poetic, but far
better written than anything by Lavey, my comparison between Crowley and Lavey would be that Lavey was a charlaton, with no real depth to his
understanding of the idea of religion, or spiritual guidance.
What are your opinions on differences/similiarities between Lavey and Crowley?
Another thing which ticked me off about Laveys ideas is that he is constantly contradicting himself, whilst he claims to not believe in a Deity known
as Satan or Lucifier, he still pays homage to them as beings as well as forces to be manipulated.
One further contradiction is that Lavey claims his "religion" can be a strong and beneficial spiritual guide because it promotes Aestheticism, but
also claims that we by nature are simply carnal beasts, and because of this, no spiritual guide is needed because we are nothing except meat which
To conclude, my opinion is that Laveys writings are simply an excuse to lead a hedonistic lifestyle, and not very well written at that. My opinion is
that the Church of Satan is nothing more than immature, and completely lacking in any real substance whatsoever, as a result of this, I expect that
this Church probably only attracts misguided teenagers and Marilyn Manson fans who think that it's cool to be evil, whilst Thelemic groups probably
attract more intelligent or artistic thinkers.
Please note, until reading these books, I never compared Thelema to Satanism, this discussion is purely because these Satanists compare themselves to
it, and place themselves on a higher pedestal.
This discussion is open to anyone, but I'm mainly looking for people who either are Occultists, Thelemites or Satanists, or know a bit about
Let the discussion begin!