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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 06:39 PM
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The forerunner to the modern computer, the Hollerith machine - manufactured by International Business Machines Corporation (IBM) and its foreign subsidiaries, including IBM in Germany - was used by German government statistical offices to track Jewish population centers and geographic locations of others deemed undesirable.


So did the US no what they were using these machines for?




posted on May, 3 2006 @ 12:30 AM
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Thats just the tip of the iceburg. The nazi regime owes it's short existence to the American corporations that propped them up.

Especially GM and ford which operated factories even during the bombing campaigns.



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 07:39 AM
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Yes they knew. I suggest you watch Best Enemy Money can Buy by Anthony Sutton if you can find it. The tattoo that each inmate had acted like a bar code.

Standard Oil had some sort of stock swap with IG Farben.

About the Nazi thing, nobody should forget that the german government was Nazi. If you or me where there we’d also be Nazis. I hate it when Schwarzenegger is accused of being a Nazi, not because I hate or love the guy, but everyone there were Nazis (unless on the prosecuting end) and I’m kind of tired of hearing, “oh that scientist was a Nazi” or something like that.

Everyone from Germany in a certain age group were Nazi, resistance often meant death, so maybe we should give them a bit of a break.



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by spearhead
So did the US no what they were using these machines for?

The US government? Probably not. The US government wasn't even too clear on the existence of death camps. Heck, IBM might not have even known what the machines were used for.

Do you think that they have some responsibility for the holocaust then? If al-qaida used Macs to figure out how best to knock down the WTC, would that make apple complicit?


cMC
Especially GM and ford which operated factories even during the bombing campaigns.

Where'd you get that information?



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23


About the Nazi thing, nobody should forget that the german government was Nazi. If you or me where there we’d also be Nazis. I hate it when Schwarzenegger is accused of being a Nazi, not because I hate or love the guy, but everyone there were Nazis (unless on the prosecuting end) and I’m kind of tired of hearing, “oh that scientist was a Nazi” or something like that.

Everyone from Germany in a certain age group were Nazi, resistance often meant death, so maybe we should give them a bit of a break.


Just for the record, most German civilians were not members of the Nazi Party. The party was generally elitist, and screened all applicants carefully. Of course, the Nazi Party was the only legal one and everyone who ran for public office was required by law to be a member of it, so voters didn't have much to choose from.

As for Schwarzenegger, his father was a member of the Nazi Party, although he himself, of course, had not been born yet.



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 08:43 AM
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Your right ML they are accusing him based on his father’s Nazi status. (that’s even worst!!)

Financing of Hiler in the 20’s included Henry Ford. In 1933, he was financed IG Farben, General Electric, Standard Old and ITT.

In 1930’s Germany had no means of making Aviation fuel, Standard Oil transferred the technology to IG Farben. The technical process for making synthetic oil out of coal was also provided by Standard Oil.

Note that these transfers of technology and financing were all before Hitler was considered a bad man.

There’s also the case of US not bombing certain targets, like foreign owned electrical companies. The Ford plant in Cologne was not bomb either.

Even in 1944, ITT and a Standard Oil subsidiary were still funneling funds to Germany in the middle of WW2.


[edit on 3/5/06 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 08:47 AM
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Other contributors:
Bayer aspirin company
Merck pharma company
Krupp
George W's grandfather, Prescott. The Bush family heavily contributed to
financing the Nazi regime as well as helping to formulate policies. He was
convicted of trading with the enemy and 10 years later became a Senator.
Go figure, only in America.
I don't know if Lindbergh contributed money, but he endorsed the Nazi regime, he was an anti-Semite.
The eugenics movement was very strong at that time, and alot of American elititists got swept up in the eugenics beliefs of the Nazis.

I don't have links for all of this, I've learned it all over the years through many sources. But if you Google (and check out reputable sources) , you will find all the info above is correct.



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 08:52 AM
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It has been known for decades that the Nazis used Hollerith equipment and that IBM's German subsidiary during the 1930s -- Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag) -- supplied Hollerith equipment. As with hundreds of foreign-owned companies that did business in Germany at that time, Dehomag came under the control of Nazi authorities prior to and during World War II.

source: www-03.ibm.com...



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 08:57 AM
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And here’s Edwin Black, author of IBM and the Holocaust has to say about IBM’s statement:

IBM would want to say they lost control of their German subsidiaries. That's clearly false. Thomas Watson and the New York office micromanaged every aspect of their subsidiaries in Europe and especially in Germany, their most profitable foreign operation. The New York office was aware of all uses for their machines in Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933 until about the fall of 1941, two years after World War II started.

Remember, IBM custom-designed the machines, custom-designed the applications and custom-printed the punch cards. There were no universal punch cards or machine wiring. Programs to identify Jews, Jewish bank accounts, barrels of oil, Luftwaffe flights, welfare payments, train schedules into camps, and even the concentration camp information--all these had to be tailored for each application.

Source: news.com.com...


[edit on 3/5/06 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 09:06 AM
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>IBM might not have even known what the machines were used for.



You might want to check out IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation by Edwin Black.


IBM was fully aware of what the machines were used for, because of the way the technology was implemented. You need to remember the Hollerith cards were in fact the very first databases and due to the specifics of the tolerances of the machines, but more importantly the cards themselves... It required techs to continually service the machines.

IBM was fully aware of the illegality of their actions and ran their activities thru fake corporate shells in 'neutral' nations like Sweden and Switzerland.

The NAZIs were simply brilliant in the ways they found to use these machines/Hollerith cards to achieve computer precision in support of the war.



[edit on 3-5-2006 by golemina]



posted on May, 3 2006 @ 03:08 PM
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Ngydan. There are airforce papers/orders from the war that can be obtained through the FOIA that shed light on the issue.

And you can investigate the dealings of Prescott Bush and the Industrialists with the Nazi's. If it weren't for business the Nazi regime could have been defeated even before it began.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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This book is definitely the best source of content and is absolutely shocking to read.

IBM and The Holocaust by Edwin Black.

Everyone should read it. IBM then based the entire American social security system on what it had learned in Nazi Germany

Here's the synopsis from the website for the book.

"IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM and the Holocaust takes you through the carefully crafted corporate collusion with the Third Reich, as well as the structured deniability of oral agreements, undated letters, and the Geneva intermediaries -- all undertaken as the newspapers blazed with accounts of persecution and destruction.

Just as compelling is the human drama of one of our century's greatest minds, IBM founder Thomas Watson, who cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of profit.

Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust. Edwin Black has now uncovered one of the last great mysteries of Germany's war against the Jews -- how did Hitler get the names?"



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