Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Originally posted by Nygdan
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It simply doesn't exist, anywhere. Its a fabrication.
Also, 1919, seems a little early for them to be using illuminati-esque world-take over schemes. Communist plots were more along the line of 'Light
the fuse, throw the bomb into the market, and then wait for the proletariate to rise up against the bourgoise exploiters! *raises fist* "
Funny but the snopes site doesn't explain why the document is a fake so I'll take their well meaning assertions with a grain of salt.
Did you miss the part about it not ever evening being heard of before the post wwii period? That there's no record of it ever having been found by
anyone, anywhere? Nor that the first mentions of it cite a specific newspaper, but there was never any such article in that paper?
All the same do you agree that any of the mentioned goals seem to have been achieved or strived for in our current western
societies?
The point is, its not communists that are doing this, and that this list was manufactured by liars to smear people that they didn't like and appeal
to irrational emotive responses from the public.
IOW, its an attempt at manipulation. Why just gloss over that??
The site that is supposed to have the list doesn't work
10 Planks within the Communist Manifesto
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- Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all rights of inheritance
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
- Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly
- Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State
- Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the
soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable
distribution of the population over the country.
- Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with
industrial production, etc. etc.
I'm suspicious of this list too, as I can't seem to find any communist sites that outline the "10 Planks" of the Communist Manifesto. Communists
aren't secretive about what they want. It seems like these are re-wordings of what might've been said in the book, perhaps distorted so as to make
them fit into the intent of the author.
So what I'd like to see, is a more detailed explanation of where in the manifesto these items are. Presumably they're not present as a simple list
either.
The site I got the list from states that marx was using them as a test of whether or not a country is communist, if it meets all 10 its, communist.
Clearly, the US is not communist.There is still private property, for example. The idea that the Federal Reserve is some sort of government monopoly
on all credit doesn't fly either. The 'means of communication' clearly aren't held by the state. Then it cites labour unions as meaning that
labour in the US is 'equal' along communist lines.ANd there certianly hasn't been any 'abolition of the distinction between town and country'.
As far as free public education, jebus, if that's communist, then paint me red and give me a hammer! The thing is, its NOT communist to have public
education, communists have a state monopoly on education, you wouldn't be permited to have each state determine its own educational curriculation,
largely based on what the local school districts and communities WANT to teach, nor be able to attend private schools, or be home schooled, or drop
out of school. ANd as far as taxes being 'heavy', they're not, US taxes are lower than lots of other countries, and a progressive tax makes a
helluva lot of sense. THis is nothing like in a communist system, heck, the idea of taxes upon labour wages doesn't really even make sense in a
communist system.
Nope, the US is still capitalist, not communist.
And Just to be clear, I think communism is horrible, and should be erradicated. Slander and irrational emotive appeals to base instincts aint' a
good thing either, and thats what these 'THe US is Communist! The US is nazi!" Arguments are all about.
And also you're the moderator and I don't want to get in trouble
Er? Why the heck would you get in trouble? As long as you aren't abusing other members and attacking them, etc etc.
Still scary if this kind of propaganda has surfaced 1946.
But the point is, its not from communists, its from fear mongers who want to provoke a reaction from a frightened public, project their fears onto a
scapegoat/fake enemy (not that communists aren't dangerous, but they DIDN"T make that document), in order to manipulate them. In a sense, its
actually doing the very thing that it is trying to get peopel in a panic about the communists doing!
