Mexican Congress To Decriminalize Pot, Cocaine, and Heroin!?

Originally posted by factfinder38
What bubble are you people living in? When you legalize drugs like Heroin,Cocain and Ecstacy people will sell their own children to get them and that is a fact. They have now just given the drug cartells that control Mexico more money to spread their disease around the world.

Oh really? Hmmmm I really have yet to know anybody that have used drugs having ever sold any children. What does selling children have to do with using drugs? Seems pretty far stretched, unless you mean companies like Dyncorp or the federal government, then yeah, they do traffic in large numbers of children, especially with certain Saudi families and then ship their Afghan drug supply that is controlled by them into the states, through ports that Dubai wants to control and China already does. If all drugs are legalized they will have to find another way to wash the money of the international corporate banking system, yeah as it stands banks and police forces still need ways to shuffle money around, cause everybody knows if police make money from the drug war they would never need to keep the money coming in. I guess all that disease that lands in the police laps in the form of seizures must become angelic goods when it crosses paths into state control, cause we all know states are run by angels and federal governments love you and socialism and communism will save us from the evil scourge of drugs.

Well, coming from my end...I don't mind the pot thing. Cocaine, heroin, and X? Yeah, that bothers me. Heroin in particular is highly addictive, and catching someone with a needle full of junk might be the ticket to getting them off a street corner or off the street for a little bit. I'll admit, jail isn't a damn sight better, but at least they can receive some measure of addiction councelling in there.

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You are talking about a totaly diffrent subject. The fact is that this will ruin any good left in Mexico and then the USA. I have witnessed first hand what drugs do to people and unless you are just refering to pot then no good can come of it. It will not matter if it is legal because people still need money to buy it and will need more and more every day,that is how it works. Where do they get that money? They will not be able to hold a job. They will not be able to feed their family because of the price of their drugs.
They will kill and steal for their next high and yes that does happen every day.
Now go sit back and smoke a joint and pretend this is not true.
By the way where do you live because there is going to be a lot of addicts looking for their next fix.

Im getting my beerology on so be warned. In Mexico and other countries anyone can go to a pharmacy and get what ever drug thats there without a prescription and a little bit of money, so anyone can get their heroine fix simply from getting Oxycontin *TM*, a powerful synthetic narcotic that is commonly prescribed in the US, so as far as Im concerned the heroin concerns can be thrown out the window.

This law does sound like it will free up the policia to go after the big fish, but Im sure they will still find a way to hold gringos until they get a sufficient bribe. Drugs being illegal have only hurt society, any idiot will tell you or demonstrate how drug laws do not stop drug usage, only open the doors for a multi-billion++++ dollar black market business. The only truly effective way of stopping drug use is the 'show and tell' method, show your kids a junkie maybe even have them say or word or two to them and then tell them that person is the way they are because they are a junkie.

And another thing marijuana is not a 'gateway drug' any more than alcohol&tobacco are. The real gateway drugs are sugar and candy and most kids are already hooked.

[edit on 1-5-2006 by jrod]

Originally posted by factfinder38

They will kill and steal for their next high and yes that does happen every day.
Now go sit back and smoke a joint and pretend this is not true.
By the way where do you live because there is going to be a lot of addicts looking for their next fix.

Yes this happens and anyone who smokes joints know this. Dont forget we live in the USA where drugs are highly illegal yet there are thug&drug rings everywhere looking for goods to steal to buy their next high, the prohibition on drugs simply does not work. All it does is creates an enourmous underground demand. If our lawmakers did not have their heads up their (explicitive)es they would capitalize on it, well many already have in the shadiest of ways.

thug&drug rings everywhere looking for goods to steal to buy their next high, the prohibition on drugs simply does not work.

I am inclined to believe these people would be doing the same whether or not the drugs were legal for possession in small quantities. It wont make the drugs any cheaper. They will still need money to support their bad habit.

Are they still showing reefer madness to high schools in the US?lol All these people who are saying people will be killed for the next high and everyone will be stealing to get the money for there habit. WHAT?
First of questions-- Do you Drink alcohol? when your sick do you take a nyquil? yes "but these are all legal!"
Exactly the govenmnet has picked and choosed what is a good drug and what is a bad drug. Like all things there are part time users and addicts. Ever herd of aquaholics? Those are people addicted to drinking water. There people addicted to legal products everywhere. Not saying all drugs are good but people should be able to be responsible for what goes into there bodies. As for all the people that are trying to make peoples arguments look bad by saying "when your at home smoking your j...."
I'm at work of which I'm doing very well for myself in. Then I'm driving to the home that I own! in my nice new car that I also own. I wait till get home to smoke my joints becasue I'm responsible about it!

That is nice to know your are responsible. Unfortunately most people are not responsible with their drug habits. I don't think theiving junkies are very responsible at all in fact. Sure you life in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. What about the poor people who live by the housing projects where junkies are wandering the streets and breaking into (poor) peoples homes on a daily basis while they are away. These people are barely hanging on by a check, and some may very well likely also be addicted to drugs.

They do not have security systems to protect their homes. They are BROKE! Just because you are a responsible person does not mean the rest of your fellow citizens are. There are many irresponsible drivers and parents, and those are completely legal and regular daily activities. You would not mind legalizing drugs I am sure even at the cost of higher crime, victimization, and habitual user rates in the lower income areas of town so lon as you can get your high legally. It won't affect you I bet. What does it matter right?

The only thing I can possibly add is maybe these people won't be affraid of getting help. Maybe they won't consider themselves "criminals" and actually want to do better for themselves. If you are affraid to admit that you have a problem because you might get arrested or looked down upon. It makes it much harder to get off the drugs and streets. These people may realize that they are not bad people and get the courage to move on with there lives instead of being trown in jail or swept under the rug.
But, you are right in the fact that I was responsible. But I never came from money and everything I have and done is because I realized I have to work to get it. I don't need to say my sob story but lets just say I didn't come from a wonderful place. I took responsibility for myself and worked %$ity jobs and know I can enjoy the choices and freedom people should have.
Please don't get mad(just an example) but people die from commiting suicide by slitting there wrist everyday- Does that mean we should make razors illegal?

Viva Mexico… At least someone is learning from the years of fighting a war with no end. We as Americans need to take note. The war on drugs is a money grubbing bottomless pit.

In my opinion, what makes drugs so attractive to people (especially the youth) is the fact that they are illegal. It appeals to the Rebel in all of us.

Well, that's sure one way to increase the tourist trade.
Maybe it will drive costs down enough to get the CIA out of the business, though.
So there's a possible up-side.

As for heroin and its addictive qualities, studies with army vets have shown that it's easier to kick than you think, as long as the user is no longer in an environment that encourages its use. But that goes with everything addictive, from gambling to chocolate to french fries.

Weak people will always be weak.

[edit on 3-5-2006 by Enkidu]

The fact is there are too many people in this world who only avoid drugs because they are illegal. They may seem like nice responsible people but who is to say they will not suffer the sad life of addiction upon trying drugs that are now legal. There are many people today who probably would never have touched alcohol if it were just simply illegal by the book. Some of these people may never have become alcoholics and their lives may be a little better.

Why should we increase the amount of people who will be exposed and tempted to try these things and risk the destruction of their happy lives because a few people who are already responsible with their drug habits want it to be easier for them to be using it? If you are using drugs now than you will be able to continue to get them any way you wish. If you want them legal, you should accept the fact that your desire will put at risk possibly millions of lives into hardship and addiction because these people will not be afraid of breaking the law anymore.

Many of your neighbors could very well possibly fall victim and break their homes if they choose to begin partaking in these habits.

Suicide is another subject away from habitual drug use. Cars, jumping off bridges, tavle saws, guns, knives, hammers, poisons, anything can be used for suicide. Suicides are not something that can be prevented regardless of what you ban. If you wanted to you could even kill yourself in a padded room if you were determined. Suicide is a mental issue.

Look I will admit I even smoke reefer a few times a month for recreational use. But I am honest enough to state these drugs are better off illegal as a turn off for others to use. I have already seen children as young as 9 years old smoking weed first hand, and thats that this drug is illegal. Can we imagine how widespread child drug use would be if these things were legal? I am trying to quit myself, even for a responsible recreational drug user a addictive habbit can be hard to break. Ask yourself why you really need to smoke if your not really addicted.

Originally posted by DYepes
The fact is there are too many people in this world who only avoid drugs because they are illegal. They may seem like nice responsible people but who is to say they will not suffer the sad life of addiction upon trying drugs that are now legal. There are many people today who probably would never have touched alcohol if it were just simply illegal by the book. Some of these people may never have become alcoholics and their lives may be a little better.

All Prohibition did was create super criminals (i.e. Al Capone) and more Alcoholics. So by making drugs illegal, we give all the power (via money) to drug dealers with the American public not seeing one red cent.

Originally posted by DYepes
The fact is there are too many people in this world who only avoid drugs because they are illegal.

I have to disagree. The rebelious nature of teenagers is why many people start doing drugs, the hear over and over again how drugs are bad, dont smoke, ect.. and when they hit that rebelious stage they will try anything that is put in front of them.

Gambling is legal in many places, yet many people simply choose not to gamble. I suppose drugs would be the same but they would not have that illegal taboo with them that draws so many to them.

It is personal and moral issue on whether or not to do illicit drugs, and with doctors prescribing drugs that have a very bad reputation on the streets(opiate based painkillers, hydrocodone, lortabs, percocets which are on par with heroin; AND adderal which is on par with speed/meth) and DXM is availible OTC and is abused by kids everywhere(watch South Park), my point is this greatly complicates the argument on drugs.

If they are so bad that they need to be illegal, then why do doctors give them out, and why is DXM availible to anyone looking for cough syrup?

[edit on 3-5-2006 by jrod]

Originally posted by Sistinas

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by DYepes
Lets deport our junkies and stop all the burglaries they do for their habits.

Jail all drug users along with the illegal immigrants and they can kill each other.

Hey why stop there? Lets just put all the drug users to death.

No, no. Here's a much better idea...

First, can we all agree that people who want to get high are going to get high no matter what laws are passed or how harshly they are enforced?

Okay. With that in mind maybe the best solution would be to set up special areas of the country (the U.S. of A.) where anybody who wants to get high can go and do just that. Let's call them something besides "concentration camps," or "re-education camps," even though that's what they really are. Proper marketing is important. Maybe "Freedom Towns." Yeah, I like that better. You're free to get as high as you want for as long as you want.

Anyway, we'll give them three hots and a cot, just like the Army, and all the drugs they want, for free. Along with food and shelter, we'll give them clothes, decent basic medical care (including clean needles), and a variety of counseling -- not forced counseling, but available if they choose to seek it out.

The only rule (besides the regular laws against assault, etc.) is you can't leave if you're high or stoned.

Maybe we can put a restriction on it so they have to be clean for like 60 days or something. But they can either stay there until they die, or can leave if they're clean. The idea is that if they can stay clean for 60 days or whatever in a place that gives them their favorite drug absolutely scot free, then they would unlikely continue their drug-taking away from the camp. If they do happen to "fall off the wagon," then back into the facility they go, to try it again.

This plan would accomplish a number of things.
* The availability of free narcotics would completely destroy the illegal drug trade in this country.
* Keeping all the addicts in one place would cost A LOT LESS MONEY than funding all the individual addiction programs in the country as well as the HUGE police costs in chasing down and incarcerating many of these folks.
* People would be humanely treated, and offered full access to Jesus or L. Ron Hubbard or whatever they want to try to get off the drugs.
* The people wouldn't be out on the streets stealing to get drugs, lowering crime rates and the associated anti-crime costs nationwide.
* Decreased child and spousal abuse.
* Decreased drug-related workplace accidents.
* It puts the responsibility for being sober right where it belongs -- on the individual, not society.
* It would reduce the amount of bad reggae music heard around colleges.

I encourage you to seriously consider this plan, work out any potential flaws, and to campaign for similar plans to be adopted by local, state and federal governments. Thank you!

...I could have sworn you posted a message asking about spirituality and the importance of God. Is that the way a person of God would speak of one of Gods creations and fellow man? Offering a solution of death to one that has lost him/herself to drugs? Is that a Dove of Peace as your avatar? Or one being evicted from its nest?

I think it is a hawk masquerading as a dove, myself