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US Claims World Is Safer Because War On Terror

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posted on May, 5 2006 @ 12:13 AM
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Safe eh? Some one should let the middle east know...I'm sure they will be glad to hear it.




posted on May, 5 2006 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
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Also, the Darfur situation started after groups rebelled against the government. After which, the Khartoum government then started backing the janjaweed as well as providing air cover for their raids. The Khartoum and Darfur groups are divided strongly along regional lines as well. So, once again, attributing this to religion is to strongly obscure the real nature of this genocide.

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This is what has been happening in Sudan.


Turabi envisioned the National Islamic Front not just as an instrument for wielding power in Sudan, but as the vanguard of a global Islamic revolution. He declared a jihad (holy war) against those resisting the government's authority and reinvigorated efforts to impose Sharia on non-Muslims. Turabi's militant brand of Islam exacerbated endemic religious, ethnic, and tribal tensions and greatly increased the brutality of the conflict.

www.heritage.org...

Since when is "Declaring a Jihad against non-Muslims and those who don't want to accept Sharia law not a genocide caused by "Islamic extremism"?

Before that Jihad which was declared in 2003, there was another jihad declared in the 80s, which killed at least 2 million of Christians.

In Iraq the same thing is happening, you ahve Muslim extremists attacking Iraqis, and the same thing is happening in other nations, so who is trying to hide the real problem?



posted on May, 5 2006 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
This is what has been happening in Sudan.


That quote is from the situation in the '80s.

You're getting your conflicts mixed up as well. You are mixing up the southern conflict with the Darfur conflict. The majority of the Sudanese in the south are Christian/animist. In the west (darfur), they are Muslim. They are not the same conflict and obviously did not arise for the same reasons. I was addressing the Darfur conflict.

The article you referenced does not even mention the word Darfur.



posted on May, 5 2006 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
If i remember correctly part of the reason for fighting the civil war in the U.S. was to give rights to black people, and stop the injustices against them, the fight continued for a long time. More recently the U.S. was involved in the fight against the Nazis, and if i remember in the early 90s the U.S. went to defend Kuwait, and despite all the people claiming it was only for oil, the U.S. did not take Iraq's oilfields and instead left. In 1995 the U.S. intervened in Haiti.

Operation Uphold Democracy began in September 1994 with the deployment of the U.S.-led Multinational Force. The operation officially ended on March 31, 1995 when it was replaced by the United Nations Mission in Haiti (UNMIH). However, a large contingent of U.S. troops (USFORHAITI) participated in the UNMIH until 1996 (and the U.S forces commander was also the commander of the UN forces). UN forces under various mission names have been in Haiti from 1995 through 2000.

The operation was originally planned as a forced invasion but it became a permissive entry operation. At least two joint task forces (JTF 180 and JTF 190) were involved. For this and other reasons, the operation name may sometimes vary in the literature.

www.au.af.mil...

Not to mention the U.S. being in between of nations and people wanting the destruction of Israel and it's people.


ok now lets take a look at our interests in these regions.
The US practically was commiting a genocide against the Blacks during the Slave era. Yet guess what, we didnt have a civil war over them. The civil war was started when the south started leaving because lincoln got in even though the entire south voted for the other guy. They felt they lost their voice to the North and left the union. THATS why we went to war, not over slaves. That was just a Plus to the war, not the cause sadly. There was no cause to fight the war based on slavery.

Nazis we went to war with because they were taking over all of europe. We werent even aware of the genocides till after it was practically over. I dont think this needs more explaining.

Kuwait, OIL...I need not say more.(yea we didnt take iraqs oil fields, we came back and did that in the new bush era.)



The operation was originally planned as a forced invasion

that was for haiti. But anyway if Haiti fell who do you think would have taken it? Think about it, they share the island...



Oh right, and you preserve peace by using the military not for military action when dictatorships such as Saddam's are on the loose?


only if they could have proved they were actually a threat.

ill address the rest later i gotta go to school.



posted on May, 5 2006 @ 07:15 AM
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Let's go to downtown Baghdad and ask an averege Iraqi if he or she feel SAFE?

Since this alleged War on Terror started with Afganistan and Iraq - how come they are not the SAFEST places on the planet, with all those soldiers and armor and Protection?

Yes, let's check recent SAFE News - just from Iraq:


13 killed in US air assault

AT least 13 people were killed in an air assault by US forces on a house in Iraq's restive city of Ramadi today, medics said.

"US planes bombed a house in Aziziyah area of Ramadi city centre, killing 13 civilians," Ali al-Obeidi, a medic at the Ramadi hospital sais, adding that four people were wounded.


US, Iraqis differ on civilian casualties in Ramadi

Iraqi doctors and neighbours in the Sunni Arab city of Ramadi accused U.S. troops of killing children in a missile strike on Thursday but the military said no civilians, only eight insurgents, were killed.

Local television footage showed the body of a boy lying in the rubble of a house. Hospital and police officials gave death tolls ranging from five to 13, with up to another 15 wounded.

Muhannad al-Fahadawi, a doctor at the main hospital, said two girls and a boy aged 8 were among at least 11 people he believed had been killed in the violence. A teenage girl was shown to reporters being treated for wounds in the hospital.


The U.S. military said: "Coalition forces killed eight insurgents when they responded to an insurgent attack in central Ramadi... There were no Coalition or civilian casualties."


Nine killed in Iraq court attack

At least nine people have been killed and 46 injured in a suicide bomb attack outside a courthouse in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, police say.

The bomber exploded his device near a convoy of police vehicles on a main road in the mainly-Shia Sadr City area.


3 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq

A roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers in
Iraq on Friday, the military said. The explosion hit their vehicle in a U.S. convoy at about 11:45 a.m. in Babil province south of Baghdad, the U.S. command said.

The attack raised to at least 2,414 the number of members of the U.S. military who have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.


Baghdad morgue struggles to cope with flow of bodies

The month after the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra was the bloodiest in Baghdad's modern history, with 1,294 bodies arriving at the city's morgue.

Ninety per cent had been shot, said the facility's deputy director, Dr Qaiss Hassan, as official figures were released of the carnage that came after the destruction of the revered Shia holy site on Feb 22.

The figures indicate that in just two months as many people were killed in Baghdad alone as the total number of US troops to have died in the conflict so far.

According to Dr Hassan, the period since the Samarra bombing has seen an average of 35 to 50 bodies delivered every day! At one point freezer trucks had to be brought in and parked outside as the facility's storage rooms could not cope with the numbers.

Yes - so Safe.

So Secure.

And these are all Headlines from Yesterday and Today.

I bet the people of Iraq are feeling so Safe...

And the Bush administration appologist are going to do their VERY best try to Deny al of this and try to put it all in a different light - like this is happening for a "Reason", that Iraq is "Under Control" and that these are the acts of few Desperate Terrorists, trying to put the Iraq in Havoc and Civil War.

Yes - they will say, they have NO Regret at all - like mister Cheney over Iraq invasion.

Mission Accomplished.




posted on May, 5 2006 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Let's go to downtown Baghdad and ask an averege Iraqi if he or she feel SAFE?

Since this alleged War on Terror started with Afganistan and Iraq - how come they are not the SAFEST places on the planet, with all those soldiers and armor and Protection?Yes - so Safe.

So Secure.

And these are all Headlines from Yesterday and Today.

I bet the people of Iraq are feeling so Safe...


Not thanks to the insurgents you have so many times claimed are only fighting for the iraqi people....


Originally posted by Souljah
And the Bush administration appologist are going to do their VERY best try to Deny al of this and try to put it all in a different light - like this is happening for a "Reason", that Iraq is "Under Control" and that these are the acts of few Desperate Terrorists, trying to put the Iraq in Havoc and Civil War.

Yes - they will say, they have NO Regret at all - like mister Cheney over Iraq invasion.

Mission Accomplished.



And the terrorist/insurgent apologists will say anything and everything trying to blame all on the U.S.....

I have already posted several times how "regular Iraqis" are attacking and killing insurgents/suicide bombers souljah....

There might be some casualties among civilians from the U.S. attacking insurgents, I also have to ask how many of those civilians were not holding weapons, and yes unfortunately children also hold weapons and fight, insurgents dont care much about their children. The alternative is to leave Iraq and then Iraq will fall into chaos and people like Souljah will add even more complains against the U.S.



posted on May, 5 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Interesting that Muaddib does never point out the Corruption, Fraud, Deception, Ignorance (and Everything else that belongs) to the Bush administration. Apparently they are ABOVE the Law and ABOVE the Common Women and Men. Apparently all the Generals, CIA personell and others are just spreading the Anti-War sentiment and belong to the ranks of Insurgent/Terrorist Fan club. Yes, that is their position on His chart. Really funny actually - altho VERY Sad at the same time.

Well if the World is so Safe and Secure - are you going to Egypt for Hollidays? No? What about Jordan? Lebanon? Syria? Iraq? No? I guess people like Muaddib are going to Well deserved holliday in Qatar or Dubai, where His Money will be well accepted and those countries are Well behind the frontlines of "Terrorists".

Actually World we live in has become a VERY Insecure place to live in, since everybody is spying on everybody. Suddenly everyone that has a Mind of his own and thinks with his own Brain (you know you have one, right?) is called a Terrorist supporter. Yes, it has come to this Brothers and Sisters - it has come to the Big Abyss, which will be harder and harder to cross. And if I recall right, there is another Thread in here talking about FREE SPEECH and how UN with Alot of help with the US and other their Allies, wants to KILL FREE SPEECH. Well I wonder how that will affect all the Super-Fans of the current Goverments in Power.

They say JUMP - and You say HOW HIGH?

So - if the World is so SAFE and SECURE, why this new LAW against the Free Speech?

Why - if they have nothing to Hide or to Protect?

More things to FEAR if you are a common Woman or a Man.

Which is completly turned upside down:

GOVERMENTS SHOULD FEAR THE PEOPLE!

And They Will Sooner or Later...



posted on May, 5 2006 @ 03:58 PM
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Muaddib:

And the terrorist/insurgent apologists will say anything and everything trying to blame all on the U.S.....


The U.S., as the Occupying Power, is responsible for the security of the Iraqi civilians, under the Geneva Convention. It’s called international law.


insurgents dont care much about their children


? What about people who let their sons and daughters go to a foreign land and die in order to further the profits of a segment of the US corporate world? Sounds pretty cold to me. Heartless even.



posted on May, 6 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo

The U.S., as the Occupying Power, is responsible for the security of the Iraqi civilians, under the Geneva Convention. It’s called international law.


Yeah well terrorists are going to Iraq from other countries and the coalition is still fighting those terrorists that are being lured into Iraq...

Talking about GC, where was the Geneva convention when the "peaceful means" of dealing with Saddam's regime made several countries rich, such as Russia, China, France, Germany, while 2 million people, 500,000 of them being children, died because of those sanctions?.... And those countries wanted more sanctions still?....

Where was the international law, and where is it, when some countries, including the U.S. have been calling for some action to happen in places like Dafur but other countries such as China oppose doing anything hence "the international community" decides not to do anything?....and then some people want to blame the U.S. for everything that happens in the world when it is other countries who are making sure conflicts, such as the one in dafur, still occur.


Originally posted by Jakomo
? What about people who let their sons and daughters go to a foreign land and die in order to further the profits of a segment of the US corporate world? Sounds pretty cold to me. Heartless even.


First....those "sons and daughters" you are referring to are adults....not children....
Hence if they believe they are fighting for a good cause it is their decision. These "sons and daughters" are not attacking with abandon civilians like the insurgents/terrorists are doing.

Second of all, it is your opinion, without much to back it up, that the war was fought for profit...

You, and some people with the same opinion as you, are still ignoring the warnings and the evidence that has come from countries such as Spain, the Zech Republic, and even Russia about what the regime of Iraq was doing and planning to do...

I guess for people like yourself Saddam, and his regime, wanting to make terrorist attacks in the U.S., and supporting terrorists who attack U.S. citizens and Israeli citizens is not a reason good enough for going to war with Saddam's regime.

Not to mention that people like yourself never take into consideration the calls from Iraqi citizens who have been asking for the U.S. and other countries to do something about Saddam's regime....

Now the fight is against some of the loyalists of Saddam that are still around, and terrorists/insurgents who keep killing more Iraqi civilians than they have killed coalition forces, yet you want to blame the U.S. for the coalition not being able to stop all suicide bombers and all terrorists/insurgents who keep going to Iraq trying to make Iraq into another Iran?....

[edit on 6-5-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by shortmanx5
It pretty safe here in america , so i would say its working. when we said we wanted to fight terror the goal was to make america safer not some other countries.


So it's okay to make a formerly stable and peaceful country the most terrorist-affected on earth, as long as you are safe...


Havent had a terroriest again, so hey iam fine with it.


Tell that to the Iraqis.


AS long as we are safe nothing else matters, well it does but not nearly as much.


Tell that to Pat Tillman...

Tell me how you explain number 1. Does it go like this:

"Listen, you dumb, rag-head wearing Iraqi SOB, if you didn't want thousands of US troops and terrorist bombs and Islamist militias and Al-Zarqarwi then you shouldn't have elected Saddam in the first place...Oh. Yeah..."

This is the view of world politics that begins with the line "So, how about stuff in other countries, pretty, you know, nasty, huh?" and goes on with "Well, they shouldn't have attacked us on, like, October, you know what I'm sayin'."

Perhaps it should be:

"Maybe if we hadn't elected George W. Bush your brother/son/father/mother/daughter/sister would still be alive 'cause we wouldn't have invaded and the terrorists wouldn't have come here."

Tell the people of Bali that the world is a safer place. Or the people of Gaza. Or Darfur, Chechnya, Southern Thailand, Irian Jaya, the Solomon Islands, Nepal, Tibet, Chad, the Congo, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Burma, Afghanistan...Try telling the Hmong in Laos that since you abandoned them to a 30-year fight against the commies with no support that "it's okay now, the world is a safer place."

Tell the Montangards who are forced to flee persecution in their ancestral highlands in VN and hope the UNHCR pick them up before the Cambodian military do and forcibly return them to VN.



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 06:57 PM
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Islam massacred Marronite Christians before in the years before Israel formed. The thing against the Jews is just the latest infidel-Islam conflict. business as usual, as in the last 1300 years of slaughter and genocide.

Tell the children of Beslan Islam is peaceful

[edit on 7-5-2006 by Nakash]



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
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Tell the people of Bali that the world is a safer place. Or the people of Gaza. Or Darfur, Chechnya, Southern Thailand, Irian Jaya, the Solomon Islands, Nepal, Tibet, Chad, the Congo, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Burma, Afghanistan...Try telling the Hmong in Laos that since you abandoned them to a 30-year fight against the commies with no support that "it's okay now, the world is a safer place."

Tell the Montangards who are forced to flee persecution in their ancestral highlands in VN and hope the UNHCR pick them up before the Cambodian military do and forcibly return them to VN.


You are out of your mind...

There have been conflicts all over the world for a long time before the coalition went to Iraq and Afgahnistan...

Now you want to blame all conflicts in the world also because of the war?.....

Really, some people are so desperate that they would claim anything and everything, including stating obvious lies....



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nakash
Islam massacred Marronite Christians before in the years before Israel formed. The thing against the Jews is just the latest infidel-Islam conflict. business as usual, as in the last 1300 years of slaughter and genocide.

Tell the children of Beslan Islam is peaceful


You mean the same Maronite Christians currently in the coalitian government of Lebanon. Hey, isn't the president a Maronite?

* The President is required to be a Maronite Christian;
* The Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim, and
* The Speaker of the Parliament, a Shi'a Muslim.

en.wikipedia.org...

And with Beslan, I guess we can overlook the fact that the Chechyans took that school hostage to get Russian troops out of Chechnya. Once again, your propaganda as usual.



posted on May, 7 2006 @ 08:44 PM
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Here's to a safer world!!!!!

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posted on May, 8 2006 @ 04:39 PM
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Oh- so it's feasable to kill children to get people out of Chechnya? You Muslims are WHACKS. I for one am tired of this relativist Islamic ethics. It is truly pathetic that Muslims think blowing up pizzerias are valid targets in a war of resistance (oh wait, it's not resistance- just Jihad against the infidels since the infidels never start the wars, the muslims are the ones that do and always lose). Oh, and just because Lebanons prez is a Marronite doesn't mean they weren't killed before Israel formed. Nice deflection, but you can't hide that Israel isn't the one causing the violence in the Middle East.


[edit on 8-5-2006 by Nakash]



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
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Tell the people of Bali that the world is a safer place. Or the people of Gaza. Or Darfur, Chechnya, Southern Thailand, Irian Jaya, the Solomon Islands, Nepal, Tibet, Chad, the Congo, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Burma, Afghanistan...Try telling the Hmong in Laos that since you abandoned them to a 30-year fight against the commies with no support that "it's okay now, the world is a safer place."

Tell the Montangards who are forced to flee persecution in their ancestral highlands in VN and hope the UNHCR pick them up before the Cambodian military do and forcibly return them to VN.


You are out of your mind...

There have been conflicts all over the world for a long time before the coalition went to Iraq and Afgahnistan...

Now you want to blame all conflicts in the world also because of the war?.....

Really, some people are so desperate that they would claim anything and everything, including stating obvious lies....


Where do I lie? Show one.

You lie when you say I blame all conflicts on the war on terror. I am merely pointing out that the world is as unsafe now as it has ever been. The war on terror has done nothing for the people in the places I mention. Despite the problems in Bali being terrorism. How about the Tamil Tigers, what has your War on Terror (tm) done for the people of Sri Lanka? Do you know what is happening in the 3 southernmost provinces of Thailand? Russia is using your War on Terror (tm) to justify its actions in Chechnya. Israel continues to shell Gaza.



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 07:01 PM
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Good for the Russians, can't have the poor terrorists kill the evil children right? No, the poor terrorists weren't the ones imposing a warlord state in Chechnya and killing and enslaving the ethnic Russians, nope sir.




Israel continues to shell Gaza.


...and Hamas continues to shell civilians with Kassam rockets. You get what you paid for.



posted on May, 8 2006 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Nakash
Oh- so it's feasable to kill children to get people out of Chechnya?


So because what Muslim extremists are doing is wrong, that makes it OK for you to lie about the history of Islam, the Middle East, as well as current events? Haha...no. Here, we deny ignorance, no matter how dirty the truth is. If you can't handle that, well....



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 04:07 PM
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I just denied ignorance with that Islamonazi saying killing children is "resistance" against the evil infidel Russians. Gotta love the way Muslims spin Beslan as an "act of resistance".



posted on May, 9 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Nakash
I just denied ignorance with that Islamonazi saying killing children is "resistance" against the evil infidel Russians. Gotta love the way Muslims spin Beslan as an "act of resistance".


You talkin' to me? I guess you're talkin' to me, 'cause there ain't no-one else here...

Islamonazi, that's a new one. Also entirely wrong. As is your post. And your assertion that I'm a Muslim.

Where do I mention ""resistance"", "evil infidel Russians", killing children or Beslan? None or which I support, despite the fact that these came after the Russian invasion, not before.

Perhaps you had better get down off your high horse and learn to read. You could even try the Boolean Search occasionally...

But on the subject of Chechnya...Why is it acceptable for me to send my airforce to bomb your cities and kill your civilians if you invade my country, but it is not okay for me to send my people to bomb your cities and kill your civilians?

Chechnya is a mess entirely of Russian making and just to guarantee there is no way out they assassinated the only leader they could have negotiated with.

So the Palestinians send Qassim rockets into Israel? Who invaded and occupied the Palestinian Territories? Even after a ceasfire is declared the Israelis continue to shell Gaza. Were the SOE-backed Maquis terrorists or legitimate resistance fighting an illegal occupation?

You didn't "deny ignorance", you demonstrated your own.

Edit: Sorry. Demonstrating my own ignorance. Misread the posts and jumped to conclusions. Leaving the post in its original form as an act of excoriating self-flaggelation. Note to self: look in mirror, then tell people to learn to read...

*eating humble pie*


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