Originally posted by pieman
just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i don't ''get it''
Agreed. The fact that you don’t agree with me is NOT the reason I say you don’t get it.
past a certain point, equality legislation ammounts to preferental treatment,
I’ll say it again. I’m not talking about legislation. You can’t legislate a state of mind. You can’t legislate respect. You can’t legislate
someone to think of and treat another as an equal.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
How many times have you seen a place saying something like "Womens' only yoga"
Why is it that women have started excluding men from their workout and other activities? I'm just going to leave that with you because I know you
know the answer.
And men DO, and have historically, had their men only groups. And they excluded women because of status.
Originally posted by godservant
Also, if men were to create a group for our equal rights, we'd be considered chauvinists.
I mentioned the men's movement earlier. It's there and it deals with the more emotional side of men discovering true masculinity. There are all
kinds of groups supporting men towards equal rights in divorce and child custody issues.
Men for Equal Rights
AND... whenever anyone feels like I do, we are condemned for having such an opinion.
Welcome to life.
Respect is gone for each other and has been replaced with hate, animosity and constant battling.
I don't know about your life or the women you deal with but that is far from my experience.
Just a few more points... Roles are fine as long as they are freely chosen and not relegated. But then they’re not roles, are they? They’re
choices. A ‘role’ is a predetermined function one is required to fill or play out. If a woman chooses to be a homemaker or mother of her own free
will and not because it’s expected, then it’s no longer a role.
I wholeheartedly believe that a woman can rape a man. It doesn’t happen often and in my opinion, an adult man is raped even less often than a young
man, where the woman does have power over the young man, but it can happen and can have devastating effects.
And I don’t agree at all with the theory that every man is a potential rapist just because he has a penis. That would mean every firearms owner is a
potential murderer and I don’t believe that. The presence of the weapon does not indicate the intention or objective of the ‘owner’.
And I’d like to agree with smallpeeps and others who make the distinction between a man using his penis as a weapon and a woman using her vagina as
a lure in that most times it is withheld and that withholding is for punishment or coercion. She does not wield it as a threat. And the male addiction
to sex is a very valid point, and would likely cause a man to feel that a woman's vagina is a weapon. But it's just the lure. Historically, it's
been the only power she had.
It’s difficult for many men to really understand how women have been conditioned to think of (even if only in the dark recesses of our minds) an
erect penis as a threatening weapon. But it’s there, guys. Like it or not, believe it or not, it’s there.
And when, on page two, I think, I said, “I love men, I have one of my very own”, I was definitely joking. My husband is secure enough that that
wouldn’t bother him at all, and in fact, I think he’d chuckle. He is not mine any more than I am his.
Honorable mention to WyrdeOne and rich23.
I LOVE this discussion. In my opinion, it needs
to happen between men. We as women pretty much already get the hang of it. And the reason we
started this thread is to dispell certain ideas and I think it's being very productive. Bravo, guys!