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reply posted on 5-5-2006 @ 07:42 AM by donwhite
posted by Escrotumus

posted by shortmanx5
. . illegals lower house prices, by just moving in.


In my neighborhood they have considerably raised house values . . for whatever reason there are 2 towns in the DC area that are meccas for illegals; Herndon and Manassas Park. [Edited by Don W]


Does not Herndon have some interesting history?

I live in "the Park" as I affectionately call it and our population is at somewhere around 90% Hispanic with a good 50% of those 90% being illegals. Since they all want to live here they have driven the cost of real estate way up . . We also have THE highest real estate taxes in the state of Virginia due to the problems with illegals such as health care, schools, etc.


It is unrealistic to expect property taxes to carry so much of the cost of local government. Either LBJ or RMN signed into law the block grants from the Feds to the locals, but under the philosophy of Reagan and the 2 Bushes, that is a no-no.

“ . . before we were invaded this town was a very tiny one horse town with only 2 lane roads in and out for the most part with one larger road (Rt 28). Now with all of the influx it takes 30 minutes to go from one side to the other which is about 8 miles. I got to see the whole thing in slo-mo . . It was a very cool sociological experiment getting to see an entire town converted to “little Mexico” in under 5 years. viv la revolucion'


If we could get over it, and issue 11 million Green cards, much of the problems you mention would be solved overnight. Raise the minimum wage to $10 would pretty much fix the rest.


reply posted on 5-5-2006 @ 08:22 AM by Escrotumus
Originally posted by donwhite

Does not Herndon have some interesting history?


Indeed, the mayor and many city councilmen were voted out this week for sponsoring an illegal immigrant work location with taxpayer money. They are calling it a serious wakeup call for illegal immigration backlash in this country. Hard to say what it was because only 26% of the registered voters bothered to even vote I do know that there are alot of people in this area waking up to this problem since these demonstrations over the past few weeks and they are not happy about it at all.

www.washingtonpost.com...

It is unrealistic to expect property taxes to carry so much of the cost of local government. Either LBJ or RMN signed into law the block grants from the Feds to the locals, but under the philosophy of Reagan and the 2 Bushes, that is a no-no.


Youre preaching to the choir here. Every time i fork out that $330 a month real estate tax when others who live in nearby counties are paying 1/3 less for the same value house i start to seethe. They will say the high taxes are for schools and the usual things like police and roads etc but i know its largely due to the illegal influx and i prefer to call a spade a spade.

If we could get over it, and issue 11 million Green cards, much of the problems you mention would be solved overnight. Raise the minimum wage to $10 would pretty much fix the rest.


Not sure how that would fix any problems here short of possibly increasing the tax base. The traffic would still be lousy, there would be a major sense of resentment for granting amnesty to criminals (and lets be realistic here, they snuck across the border, many with fake papers so yes they are criminals) as well as a host of other problems. Amnesty didnt work when reagan did it and it wont work now either.

As far as raising the minimum wage to $10 hr that would sort of defeat the purpose of allowing illegals here in the first place which is for cheap labor. For $10 hr you could get an american to do that job and we would have no justification for illegals being here in the first place.

I know the whole give me your tired huddled masses thing and i feel for both sides on this issue. I would want a better life for my family too if i was stuck in a deadend mexican town but somewhere we have to draw the line. Im a soldier on the front lines of what unchecked illegal immigration can do and i think it gives me a unique perspective that many on this board who advocate amnesty dont have.



reply posted on 5-5-2006 @ 09:55 AM by Marz
Originally posted by missed_gear
Originally posted by Marz
Err…yes… According to most sources. Every language has different dialects, even English. Not, to mention that Chinese has tons of them. Mexican Spanish or not, it’s Spanish.

Cite a few, Spanish is number four not two.


On this subject I’ll have to stand down, the books and sources that I reviewed seem the flip-flop on world numbers. Spanish swings from 2nd to 4th. The one definite truth is that Spanish is number 2 in North America, it is deep rooted in our society whether we like it or not. I for one am glad to have learned such a beautiful Romance language, it shows my admiration for the world, but most importantly…………… The ladies dig it! Japanese is next.

Originally posted by missed_gear
Originally posted by Marz
You can debate this all you want, but the Statue of Liberty speaks the truth.
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."
-The Statue of Liberty

So you believe a donated French sculpture is forms American immigration policies now?

Even better….you do realize this was never engraved on the statue itself, it was written by Emma Lazarus after the fact. These words are on display inside the museum on a plaque and she raised funds to the words placed on the pedestal…seems she won some literary contest for her work…”The New Colossus”.


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Not only do I believe that we have obtained great things from other nations, but most importantly; their people and culture. Immigrants from all walks of life seeking a better future for their families and themselves. Can you name a better foundation to build a nation? That is America’s true strength. French or not, the statue & quote came from the heart; that is what truly matters.

[edit on 5-5-2006 by Marz]


reply posted on 9-5-2006 @ 06:16 AM by enlightened_smurf
Originally posted by longbow

H.R. 4437

[edit on 9-5-2006 by longbow]


Thanks a bunch! It's nice to finally be able to put a name to the bill that is causing so much controversy throughout the United States.
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