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Weaponization of Ebola

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posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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I have a question about Ebola. I've read that multiple states and organizations have successfully weaponized Ebola, primarily the Soviet Union. The most 'reputable' source I have found on this is the book Biohazard, written by Ken Alibek, who was the First Deputy Director of Biopreparat, the USSR's biological weapons resource program that is said to have had as many as 32,000 scientists working for them. Particularly, I was wondering if anyone has come across any other 'reputable' sources of Ebola being weaponized, or even more specifically, the combination of Ebola and Smallpox that was reported to have been created by the Soviet Union as well by Alibek.




posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 07:28 PM
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I thought ebola can only be spread through bodily fluids.
So a cheap way would be to make it into a mist and spray over a city.
But because it's not able to be spread through normal daily contact it probably would be more like a chemical weapon with some biological qualities.



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 07:37 PM
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No, actually Ebola is EXTREMELY easily spread through contact. That's why it's a big time scare when an outbreak occurs in Africa. Their general culture has a part where they touch their dead before burial. It is hard for the scientists that are sent there to stop the disease from spreading over and over because they want to touch their dead, which will contract the disease. In addition, many of them also don't alert authorities when people have contracted the disease, and hide them in their houses, where the disease is also spread through contact. Furthermore, Nurse Mayinga, a nurse that was helping victims in Africa, who was in full protective gear as to protect her from contact with the patients and contraction of the disease, still contracted it, and is said to be the most powerful evidence that natural Ebola can be airborne among humans. It has already been proven that it can be airborne among monkeys as the virus was spread through an entire laboratory in the United States. The United States military was called to exterminate all of the monkeys in the facility, as they had all contracted the disease through ventilation systems which had spread it throughout the laboratory from a single monkey. I believe that this was a biological weapons research facility in the first place, which raises the thoughts that they probably had the monkeys there in the first place to experiment with Ebola.

Anyways, what I'm looking for here are reliable sources that state that Ebola has indeed been weaponized by entities, especially the Soviet Union.



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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Okay thanks for clearing that up for me, i remember reading about it and the article said that the reason there are no large scale outbreaks are because the victims in a village seem to die too quickly to spread it.

Here's a book you may be interested in www.columbia.edu...


While looking for information i found this which while not what you were looking for is an interesting conspiracy in itself:
/ee5xh

And there was also this little gem containing a list of scientists who were found dead many infact worked on biotechnology: /d32ku



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 08:00 PM
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Thanks for the link to that book; I'll research it a bit.

Just another note: the fact that the reason massive outbreaks don't occur is because the people with the disease die too quickly to spread it is actually an urban myth. It actually has a 2-21 incubation period, with an average "time til death" of 6.2 days. Several reasons why massive outbreaks haven't occured, at least yet, is because of the massive international reaction when an outbreak occurs. Many scientists are near-instantly flown to the outbreak and many, many measures are taken to contain the outbreak and stop it from spreading to the entire town. They have been mainly controlled so far, but like I said, if an outbreak were to occur in a city such as New York or Tokyo, it would be disasterous and uncontainable.



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 08:02 PM
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Oh, BTW, here is a link to wikipedia
HERE

Just for the "myth" part of it. It will explain better than me why the "quick-dying" is a myth.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 07:37 AM
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May I respectfully suggest you acquire the book, 'A Higher form of Killing', co-written by Jeremy Paxman of our illustrious BBC.

It is a study of the history of chemical warfare, but does touch on biological agents.

In the meantime, I will try to contact my friends at CMR Porton Down and ascertain the facts. Watch this space.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 11:32 AM
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Would it be possible for a terrorist to infect himself with Ebola and then board a jet to another country to spread it? Suicide Ebola terrorists.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by UK_05_XM29
Would it be possible for a terrorist to infect himself with Ebola and then board a jet to another country to spread it? Suicide Ebola terrorists.


It would be possible considering that Ebola actually has been weaponized. This could turn into a catastrophic disaster if they were to come to New York or LA (considering you are in the U.S.). On top of that, if the 'fusion' between Ebola and Smallpox has been created before as Ken Alibek claims in Biohazard, it would be incredibly easy for him to spread it to basically the entire city in a fairly short amoutn of time; and the mortality rate would be probably VERY close to 100%.

I'm sure this has crossed the minds of our defense leaders at least once in the past.

BTW, Fritz, thanks for the suggestion about that book; I'll try to pick it up. I'm pretty much looking for any reliable source or book that might touch on the weaponization of Ebola, and proof that it has been weaponized in the past, regardless of who it may have been by.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 01:29 PM
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IMO even the likes of porton down who are a. of the usa in research are still decades behind the russians - ken alibek`s info is 16 years out of date - and he said that in the early nineties the russians had weaponised ebola AND chimera`d it with smallpox.

Dr Bill Patrick doesn`t believe him though.


me? i believe the person who ran the programme to make the stuff over his US counterpart.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 02:57 PM
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Yeah, I think I believe Ken Alibek's words about it. It doesn't really surprise me that the Soviet Union was years, or even decades a. of everyone else in biological research. Biopreparat was enormous.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by UK_05_XM29
Would it be possible for a terrorist to infect himself with Ebola and then board a jet to another country to spread it? Suicide Ebola terrorists.


NO! Physically impossible - the subject would be too ill to even make it to an airport - especially if the subject lived in Africa.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by fritz

Originally posted by UK_05_XM29
Would it be possible for a terrorist to infect himself with Ebola and then board a jet to another country to spread it? Suicide Ebola terrorists.


NO! Physically impossible - the subject would be too ill to even make it to an airport - especially if the subject lived in Africa.


Actually there is a short period between when a patient contracts Ebola and when he begins to show and feel symptoms of it. Especially if he knowingly contracted it, and quickly got on a flight. It's harder when you unknowingly contract it from another individual because you don't really know the exact time of contraction. It's possible.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 03:19 PM
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I don't doubt it.

But, it's funny how nicely that fits in with Dr. Pianka, who hopes that ebola will "mutate" to become airborne and wipe out 90% of the "scourge of humanity."



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't doubt it.

But, it's funny how nicely that fits in with Dr. Pianka, who hopes that ebola will "mutate" to become airborne and wipe out 90% of the "scourge of humanity."


Doesn't he actually want us to force that upon ourselves? I think he realizes the chances of it happening naturally aren't very high. I've heard his speeches are amazing though, and that he has mastered the art of brainwashing his audience. Let's hope we don't somehow have another Hitler on our hands.




posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't doubt it.

But, it's funny how nicely that fits in with Dr. Pianka, who hopes that ebola will "mutate" to become airborne and wipe out 90% of the "scourge of humanity."


It 'is' airborne - Ebola 'Retson' is an airborne virus.



posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:51 AM
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If I see this Pianka wanker in any street a few meters from mine, I'll personally tell him what I think about his "lectures". Oh yes I will......



posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Omniscient

Originally posted by fritz

Originally posted by UK_05_XM29
Would it be possible for a terrorist to infect himself with Ebola and then board a jet to another country to spread it? Suicide Ebola terrorists.


NO! Physically impossible - the subject would be too ill to even make it to an airport - especially if the subject lived in Africa.


Actually there is a short period between when a patient contracts Ebola and when he begins to show and feel symptoms of it. Especially if he knowingly contracted it, and quickly got on a flight. It's harder when you unknowingly contract it from another individual because you don't really know the exact time of contraction. It's possible.


Your arguments do not hold water.

We are talking about an individual who 'knowingly' (?) infects him or herself with the virus. Fine. I can go along with that.

But what next? Where does the victim get the virus? What type of Ebola virus are you talking about?

If one assumes that you are talking about the 'contact/vapour' varients of Ebola - Zaire, Congo or Ivory Coast, these can only be contracted in AFRICA from animals, or as cross-contamination in hospitals/clinics.

From there (out in the bush) you would have to get to a major town to get transport to a city that may or may not have an airport. Having got on your internal flight, you would need to get to a 'hub centre' for an international flight.

Once there, where do you go? Paris? London? Rome? Not really an option. Modern airports have a 'forced' air' environment which is not friendly to bugs and germs.

No my friend. Given the very short incubation period and the onset of symptoms, you would be too ill to travel.

The best 'case' for Ebola is in Tom Clancy's excellent book. I cannot remember the exact title - probably 'Executive Orders'. Read that and see what it would take to unleash the virus.



posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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The incubation period is 2-21 days...

Also, we're talking about it being used a BIOWEAPON suicide. Not contracting it from the natural environment, but biologically injected or forced into the system.

2-21 days could allow enough time to fly and go through airport checks and what not.

Also, it could be done within the city in the first place so that it wouldn't be required to fly across great distances.

It's possible.



posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Omniscient

Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't doubt it.

But, it's funny how nicely that fits in with Dr. Pianka, who hopes that ebola will "mutate" to become airborne and wipe out 90% of the "scourge of humanity."


Doesn't he actually want us to force that upon ourselves? I think he realizes the chances of it happening naturally aren't very high. I've heard his speeches are amazing though, and that he has mastered the art of brainwashing his audience. Let's hope we don't somehow have another Hitler on our hands.



Yeah.

That's why I said "mutate." I read that as "engineered." But, hey, look on the bright side...

If you don't catch the super ebola and throw up blood and your esophagus before you die, you will have to bury 9 bodies. Each survivor will have to bury 9 - Pianka actually said this.




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