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Originally posted by ceci2006
Hamburgular and jsobecky,
I want you both to notice two things that I have said in my posts. One, is that I felt that the Minutemen are "less worrisome" than the average citizen.
And the usual law-abiding folk congratulate them because they act out their fantasies of "purifying" the United States in a time of drastic social change and economic deficit. To me, the Minutemen are less worrisome than the silent minority who supports them. The silent minority who accepts and lauds their behavior are also willingly complicit in supporting the same "cold, subtle intimidation" that has wreaked havoc with race-relations.
Originally posted by ceci2006
Then are you to tell me, jsobecky that if there were European undocumented workers crossing the border, the Minutemen would camp out with their guns and make this much fuss?
I think not.
The questions are not misleading. I think it is important to know who exactly the Minutemen plan to target.
They do not project their rhetoric towards anyone else but undocumented workers from South America. I defy you to find one of their actions that prove they would pick up any other race who illegally stays in America.
I will be totally convinced of the virtue of their actions if anyone proves to me with a picture or article of a Minuteman stopping anyone other than Latinos or Latinas from South of the border. Then, I will truly think that their efforts are fair.
And I don't think it is too much to ask whether they truly have made some sort of connection with communities of color if their creed is to defend America regardless of race. Prove that to me too.
But it looks like people are too ashamed to admit the truth. That's all. And that confirms my suspicions all along.
Starting April 1, volunteers with the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, angered with the ongoing entry of illegal migrants to the United States, will be watching from New York to New Hampshire at locations yet to be disclosed. Washington state volunteers are also to be on guard.
About 150 Minuteman volunteers turned out in Sumas Saturday with campers, binoculars and cellphones to keep an eye on the nation's northern border at a time when illegal immigration is generating intense debate in the nation's capital and around the country.
The Washington state-Northwest chapter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is part of a month-long, seven-state campaign to raise public awareness of the issue.
Originally posted by ceci2006
jsobecky, I'm sorry, but I truly, but respectfully think you don't understand the implications of the issue. It is a race issue.
The minutemen are trying, and failing sofar, to embarrass the feds into doing their constitutionally mandated duty of protecting our borders. I have heard of no incident involving a minuteman and an illegal alien.
'Minutemen' to Patrol Arizona Border
Gilchrist said the Minutemen are under strict orders to merely identify and follow illegal border crossers and alert federal agents. They should not interact with the immigrants except to offer food, water or medical care. If there’s a couple of “bad apples” who turn up in the group, Gilchrist said, they will face prosecution if they step outside the law.
Immigrant Says Minuteman Volunteers Watching Arizona Border Held Him Against His Will
Carol Capas, a sheriff's office spokeswoman, said the 26-year-old Mexican man told agents he was physically restrained and forced to hold a shirt while his picture was taken and he was videotaped.
The shirt read: "Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt."
Barton is one of the three volunteers. He told agents that they waved the man over to them, offered him food and water, and gave him the T-shirt and money before the Border Patrol arrived.
"All they did was provide water and wait for the Border Patrol," Minuteman spokesman Grey Deacon said. "What's the big deal?"
Minutemen Blaming The Victims of NAFTA
The following week 11 kids coming down from the Huachuca Mountains near Sierra Vista in groups of two or three, mostly teenage boys, were spotted and stopped by the Border Patrol in the late afternoon. Our scanner picked up the excited whoops and cries of the Minutemen on their radios, who jumped in their trucks and headed over to the section being described. The Minutemen later claimed credit for “capturing 11 illegals,” but both the kids and the Border Patrol told us that it was the Border Patrol who stopped them, with the Minutemen driving up later to take pictures.
One day the Minutemen captured a Latino man just south of the Border Road and held a gun to his head as they ridiculed and humiliated him. He turned out to be a reporter from a Phoenix radio station and a U.S. citizen.
A couple of weeks later, a few Minutemen set up their own checkpoint on a dark road outside of Douglas. Shortly after 1 a.m. they stopped a car driven by an Anglo woman, made her roll down her window and then pointed a gun to her head. When they asked her if she was hiding any “illegals” and what she was doing out at 1 a.m., she explained that she was coming home from her job at an all-night convenience store. “I live in Douglas,” she said. The woman, who was terrified of the gun pointed at her head, managed to get home and call the police.
Arizona Legal Observers' Report continued
Our concern as legal observers was with those Minutemen who had expressed racist sentiments, overt threats, and support for vigilante detentions of migrants. And there were plenty of those Minutemen, too. One threatened to sic his dog on a Latina legal observer, saying, as she went to pet his dog during a protest at the Border Patrol station, “I'd watch out if I were you. That dog is trained to chase sp--s like you off my land.” Another Minuteman physically grabbed an observer, and another threatened to shoot legal observers. A Minutewoman threatened to kill migrants if she saw them on her land again. Luckily this faction had little opportunity to act on their threats, and mostly took out their frustration on legal observers. As Ybarra noted, “This is nothing compared to what the migrants go through.”