Originally posted by Kruel
Well I don't doubt that we can change the outcome of events slightly (while keeping within our destiny), as long as we can see/sense future
So in other words, being able to sense the future = free will.
No, I don't think sensing the future=free will, that is like saying destiny dicates our choices-and then that is just destiny-not free will at all.
I mean I do think you are on to something though-to an extent. That I may agree that maybe free will is an illusion because while you have enough
agency to act for yourself, you can't change certain things, destinations,destinies... no matter what route you take.
...but then again, maybe not that destiny-but another you do change because of those choices and HOW and WHEN you meet that one destiny.
See, while I do not think destiny dictates our choices, I think it affects them, and even influences how we use our free will-and not always for the
good. To some degree I think you are right though, destiny may influence our free will choices for an end result-a destined outcome. But I think there
are so many variables.
I believe most destinies are not even predestined, though many are. I think destinies can be created as we go too...all depending on what destinies
we have met, and to what end...like by our free will choices, we determine if one destiny met leads to another waiting, or creates another depending
how the destiny was met-what route was taken to get there.
For instance, say other previous choices of free will have side lined us, delayed us, or expedited us-catapulted us prematurely to meet a certain
destiny, making that destiny undesireable-either no longer the right or desirable destiny, or one not ready to be met yet, thus equally undesireable
for the chain of events to follow meeting a certain destiny prematurely.
So we may feel a certain pull, or as you say, we sense our future-our destiny- and make choices, not consciously, not even knowing what the outcome is
or will be or what destiny lies before us, but still choices influenced by that destined pull. Even if it is the pull to meet a destiny of some
situation no longer the most beneficial for those involved and affected, or not ready to be met... creating different destinies from that point
on...destinies then being created/affected by our own free will..we are pulled in a direction anyway by what was already set in motion to be our
So in that sense it is not sensing the future or sensing our destiny that = free will...but rather, the choices we made/make...or in other words-
results of choices of the past=destiny....creates new destiny.
I just think (and yes all2much at times) you can make decisions that cause major changes, in both your routes/decisions or desiny/destination. For
example, I think your destiny may have many paths for you to take to get there-and I think this is what you are saying too...that we can have free
will to choose whatever path as all of them lead to the same destiny and it's that destination we cannot run from as all paths lead there....right?
But I think Free Will allows you to not only choose what path you take to come to that ultimate destiny, but what the outcome of meeting that destiny
will be as well. Not saying you choose the outcome, but that it is a result of the choices you make to get there.
Therefore your free will has more power than you think, because every path may lead to a certain destiny, but the result of meeting that destiny is
dependant on what path you took, and if there were side trails off that path as well, etc.,
So that destiny-how it all plays out- is dependant, dictated even by your free will. Your choices, your path, your free will dictates the result of
meeting that destiny, not the other way around.
Think of it as a movie where a man is destined to save a small world...saving the world is his destiny right? So no matter how he evades it, or seeks
that opportunity, no matter what path he takes in his life, he is destined to save the world. In the end he sees how all paths he took not only led
him to saving that world, but most prepared him in some way or another to do so.
Now how he meets that destiny depends on what path he takes-and what he learns along the way, making him very equipped to save the world, or ill
equipped...making his job an easy one or long difficult one. Also his free will choices and paths determine what shape the world is in when he gets
there...is he saving it from this disaster or that one? mortal oppression or natural disasters?
His destiny is to save it, but how he gets there, what he saves it from, how well equipped he is, all depends on the paths he took, choices he made to
get there, and thus how he saves the world... and from what... also determines what his future, or ultimate destiny is yet to be, or how it plays
Simply I believe the route you take to meet certain destinies then also determines the outcome of meeting that destiny, as well as what or how
other/future destinies will be created or changed as a result of meeting that destiny, etc.
WOW, I don't even know if I am making sense to myself at this point. I should try to think of it in real-life terms because I know I'll never be