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Originally posted by tsensel
Originally posted by mad scientist
No it was the French and Germans who built Saddams chemical arsenal, not the US.
No it wasnt. The chemicals they had were all color coded. Color coding is how the US military codes its chemicals.. "Agent Orange"??? It had an orange band!
I've seen evidence to suggest that america and the UK gave them to him to use during his US sanctioned war with iran.
...the Economy Minister of then West Germany, confirmed that the German companies had the lion's share in these transactions. The report said that since 1983, West German companies have exported to Iraq huge quantities of raw materials, equipment, and small industrial factories to produce poison gases. The report also said that these companies participated directly in building the Sa'd Project, the Iraqi chemical project, and the construction of the military complex in Al-Taji.
...In October 1985, the operations of this company ceased by order of the German judiciary after it sold Iraq two electronic systems that test toxic gas inhalation levels. These are used in closed gas chambers where they measure toxic gas reactions with biological tissues. They also measure the level of their effect on animals, such as dogs, donkeys, and mules as well as humans. These gases were tested on prisoners that opposed the Iraqi regime.
...The factories in the Samarra complex used to produce and stockpile the three lethal gas compounds of mustard gas, Tabun gas, and cyanide acid. Each time, the defunct regime claimed that the factories in Samarra was a complex of scientific research laboratories to produce pharmaceuticals and insecticides to protect the fluoride in the soil. German scientists estimate the production capacity of the Samarra complex at thousands of tons per year. This was also confirmed in the 1984 report published by the US Central Intelligence Agency. The report said that the factories in Sammara were producing lethal nerve gases. Later, the US government provided the German government with evidence related to the activities of this complex.The West German government rejected the evidence claiming that it did not prove anything against Iraq.
www.fas.org...
Maybe I can dig up the video I saw. (Video that was filmed by a soldier during the first gulf war of a bunker complex in southern iraq.)
Originally posted by tsensel
www.gulflink.osd.mil...
"UNSCOM inspected chemical munitions at or near Khamisiyah in October 1991 and identified 122-mm sarin/cyclo-sarin (GB/GF) nerve-agent-filled rockets and 155-mm mustard rounds. At that time it was not clear whether these chemical weapons had been present during the Gulf war or whether, as was suspected at other locations, the Iraqis moved the munitions there shortly before the 1991 UNSCOM inspection."
The video i'm talking about is shot by the marines at the khamisiyah bunker complex.
"Watching the video footage of the destruction of the bunkers, it becomes obvious that the Khamisiyah bunker event is a scandal of monumental proportions. If Saddam was gassing the Kurds, why was he doing it with illegal-to-transfer American weapons?"
antiwar.com...
www.scoop.co.nz...
I believe it may be in the documentary "Beyond Treason".. Yes, watch beyond treason. You can download it off my website at www.freestate.tv .. Start at time code 51:00 mins. It speaks about arming iraq.
The footage of the Khamisiyah bunker complex starts at time code 1:00:00
Originally posted by tsensel
Ok, well if you aren't going to take a look at my evidence. I guess we've got nothing to talk about.
You don't even know what the video shows.. Or in what context. You haven't downloaded. How can you know if it's biased?
If they really were sold to iraq from america... They have every right in the world to be biased.
Originally posted by mad scientist
Why don't you quickly tell me what this video is supposed to show ? If it's just colour coded drums and shells, then that isn't evidence. Why would the Iraqi's import chemical weapons ? They could easily produce all the CW weapons they could ever need.
Originally posted by tsensel
Why won't you take the time to investigate?
I told you where to look.
There is also a senate intelligence report they talk about from congress which shows that america sold the WMD. But you didn't look at it. So you didn't see it
Maybe you didn't know about it already because you haven't taken the time. If it doesn't fit into the 30 second time slot, I don't have time for it.
They also have a first hand account of the NBC NCO who was in the engineering battalion that was responsible for blowing up that specific complex. He spoke out. He was there.
Originally posted by tsensel
I went ahead and tried to find the congressional report for you.. Since you don't want to. Every .gov and .mil link to the Reigle Report entitled "United States Dual-Use Exports to Iraq and Their Impact on the Health of the Persian Gulf War Veterans" has been deleted. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
www.gulflink.osd.mil...
www.appc1.va.gov...
"Fifth, it provides evidence that the United States shipped biological materials to Iraq which contributed to the Iraqi biological warfare program."
www.chronicillnet.org...
But you will probably consider it "bias'd"
Originally posted by tsensel
I mean, we're ready to nuke iran because they're currently trying to produce nuclear materials for power. But we just let pakistan and india have them? Seems suspicious to me.
Originally posted by tsensel
"Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs – which oversees American exports policy – reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene."
www.doublestandards.org...
he story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Originally posted by tsensel
I wasn't sure of the exact situation I had bits and pieces of intel. I wasn't quite sure how it all fit together. Thanks for explaining it all out.
Do you have any comments on my previous post about the US selling Iraq chemicals and biologicals?
Originally posted by the_sentinal
i can see being pro human but when your always defending iran stop and look at just what your defending !!
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Originally posted by the_sentinal
i can see being pro human but when your always defending iran stop and look at just what your defending !!
I am not defending Iran at all...
Just because the administration of my country allows double-standards to reign on their policies doesn't mean the citizens have to agree with it.
Your insinuation that Iran's government is mad is true enough,
but if you are going to allow one madman to have them then you have to allow the other as well.
If we deny them the right to Nuclear knowledge and the use of it, they will just do it anyway and they will do it on the sneak.
At least if its approved properly we can get an idea what they are up to and monitor them.
Originally posted by the_sentinal
i never said that i aggreed with my country's administration and it's obvious double standard
so you want to put nukes in the hands of mad men in the interest of fairness?? that's just nonsense.. how fair would that be to the millions of innocent killed by these mad men in the interest of fairness
i think in this situation less is more....but you want to be fair...but is life fair??? NO it is not!!! you deal with thing's the best you can and in this case iran has proven it's uncapable of handeling nukes......that just my humble opinion.
then they should suffer the consequences of going against the international community on this one...
yea they have been so honest thus far we should trust them even more