Would you let them implant a free microchip in your child?

Anyoen that allows this is not right in the head in my opinion, microchips can munipulate genetics these days and then some...



Masonic lodges across North America are
setting up programs to inject all children with a body ID microchip.
The Masonic program is called the Comprehensive Masonic Chip
www.ctchip.org...

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remeber when i was called a kook for talking about this issue

see what i mean by most people are ignorant?


www.wildduckreview.com...
Casey Walker: Will you describe how you came to realize the significance of
developments in human genetic manipulation and why you consider public
involvement a matter of urgency?
Rich Hayes: As part of my dissertation studies at Berkeley I wanted to
learn about the new human genetic technologies and their social
implications. I did course work in genetics and began attending conferences.
I was stunned by what I discovered. We are very close to crossing
technological thresholds that would change forever what it means to be a
human being. The most consequential of these involve the modification of the
genes that get passed to our children. In addition, there's human cloning,
artificial human chromosomes, bovine/human embryos, "reconstructed" embryos
using genes from three adults, and more. It sounds like science fiction, but
it isn't.
These technologies are being developed right now in university and
corporate labs, and neither policy makers nor the general public have any
idea of what's going on. These technologies are being promoted by an
influential network of scientists and others who truly believe that they are
about to usher in a new, techno-eugenic epoch for human life on earth. They
look forward to a world in which parents design their children quite
literally by selecting genes from a catalog. This would change everything we
understand about what it means to be a parent, a child, a family, or a
member of the human community. We'd come to see people as artifacts,
collections of parts assembled to achieve a particular result determined by
someone else. Once we start genetically engineering our children, how would
anything less than the "best" be considered acceptable? Once we start, where
do we stop?
Until recently these sorts of questions could be dismissed as
speculative and far-fetched, but no longer. Last year a major conference was
held at UCLA to promote the idea of how wonderful it's going to be when we
can manipulate our children's genes and finally "seize control of human
evolution." One thousand people attended and press coverage was extensive.
Just a few months later, one of the noted scientists at the conference
submitted the first proposal to begin experiments involving the modification
of heritable genes. Things are moving very fast.
Mind you, some of these technologies hold great promise to relieve
suffering and prevent disease. But we can draw bright lines to separate
benign applications from those that are likely to set the world on a
slippery slope to a horrific future.
Will you describe current genetic engineering technologies and those lines
you believe can be drawn?
Sure. First, what's a gene? A gene is a string of chemicals that codes
for and enables production of a particular protein, and proteins are the
building blocks of our entire bodies. Genetic engineering is the process of
adding, deleting, or modifying specific genes in a living cell. If your lung
cells, for example, are missing a gene that produces an essential protein,
you can use genetic engineering to try to acquire that gene. To do this you
attach copies of the needed gene to harmless viruses, and let the viruses
penetrate the cell walls and nuclear membranes of your lung cells. The
needed genes are released into cell nuclei, incorporated into
chromosomes-which are just long strings of genes-and, hopefully, begin
producing the needed protein. That's genetic engineering.
However, an important distinction must be made between "therapy,"
which refers to gene modifications intended to address a medical condition,
and "enhancement," which refers to modifications intended to improve some
aspect of normal appearance or performance. Treating or preventing sickle
cell anemia or cystic fibrosis would be therapy. Attempting to modify
stature, agility, cognition, personality, or life span of a healthy person
would be "enhancement."
A second important distinction must be made between gene modifications
that have an impact solely on a single person and those that have an impact
on a person's children and subsequent descendants. This is the distinction
between "somatic" and "germline" genetic manipulation. Somatic manipulation
seeks to change the genetic makeup of particular body (somatic) cells that
comprise our organs-lungs, brain, bone, and so forth. Changes in somatic
cells are not passed on to one's children. Germline genetic manipulation
changes the sex cells-that is, the sperm and egg, or "germ" cells-whose sole
function is to pass a set of genes to the next generation.
The critical question-perhaps the most critical ever posed in human
history-is, where do we draw the line? Somatic gene therapy for individuals
in medical need is already being tested, and few find it ethically
objectionable. Somatic gene enhancement of people without medical conditions
raises more concerns. Some somatic enhancements may be no more controversial
than rhinoplasty, while others may be profoundly dangerous or otherwise
unacceptable. But the effects of somatic enhancements are limited to a
single person, so the risk to future generations is nil.
By far the most important issues concern germline engineering.
Advocates of germline engineering invariably appeal to our compassionate
desire to prevent the suffering often associated with heritable disease, but
they're not putting all their cards on the table. Couples who believe they
are at risk of transmitting a serious disease can already employ the far
simpler technique of pre-implantation screening to ensure that their
children are free of the condition. In this procedure, a number of
fertilized eggs are created in vitro-that is, in a petrie dish-and are
tested to see which ones are free of the disease causing gene. Only these
are implanted. Any child subsequently born will be free of the disease, as
will all of that child's descendants. The current aggressive push for
germline therapy makes no sense, unless the real intent is to pave the way
for germline enhancement, designer babies, and the technological
reconfiguration of human biology.

Originally posted by seridium


Masonic lodges across North America are
setting up programs to inject all children with a body ID microchip.

And which Masonic Lodges are doing this? I mean, if your little tale is true, certainly you can give us a couple of Lodge names and locations, right?

After all, the Masonic CHIP program has nothing to do with "injecting microchips", or anything else with microchips. "CHIP" simply stands for "Child Identification Program".

[edit on 24-4-2006 by Masonic Light]

this has already been discussed

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No. I would not do an elective procedure on a minor, for which s/he would want undone later or cannot have undone. For example, once I read what sealing teeth entailed, I declined, as there was no medical need for it and I did not want to commit a child to future procedures. On that basis alone I would not do it.

Originally posted by seridium
Masonic lodges across North America are
setting up programs to inject all children with a body ID microchip...

...see what i mean by most people are ignorant?

I sure do see what you mean.

www.masonichip.org...

Fingerprints and physical descriptions card.

Brief recorded interview on VHS video tape or CD-Rom disc that shows the child’s mannerisms, speech pattern and provides details on places they frequent.

Dental impression generated by qualified volunteers (using Toothprints® wafer) provides a 3-dimentional dental record that can be used for identification. (Inclusion of this item defines a program as "comprehensive".)

DNA sample generated by Saliva and cheek skin cells accumulated on the Toothprints® wafer sealed uncontaminated in a zip-lock bag. This also serves as a scent tracer for police tracking dogs to follow.

Abduction Prevention Education provided to parents and children during the event or as a hand out included inside the ID kit, increases public awareness about the risk of abduction or exploitation our children now face in today's society, and provides them with useful safety tips and prevention techniques.

No microchips included.

That depends.

Could I use it to program them to take out the trash without being asked, and to shut the H up while I'm watching TV?

No. I guess I wouldn't.

See, the kid have probably already installed a chip of their own in me.


Yes . . . masters . . . . more . . . ice cream . . . . for . . . supper . . . .

Just because it it ain't gonna cost your anything doesn't mean its free.

Think about the medical problems it could cause. And what if the chip malfunctions? What if there is an EMP emmitted by some thing (like a nuke)
and it fries your childs brain? What about the metal detectors?

I'd like to see you explain to airport security that their is a micro chip in your son and that you haven't shoved a pengun up his arse!

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
That depends.

Could I use it to program them to take out the trash without being asked, and to shut the H up while I'm watching TV?

No. I guess I wouldn't.

See, the kid have probably already installed a chip of their own in me.


Yes . . . masters . . . . more . . . ice cream . . . . for . . . supper . . . .

dr_strangecraft is funny. as far as implanting a chip in my 8 year old son?? hahahahaaa i would rather eat my own head.

Originally posted by spearhead
I'd like to see you explain to airport security that their is a micro chip in your son and that you haven't shoved a pengun up his arse!

Hey - who told you about the new top secret masonic child identification program in Lapland!

how many times and proof must be brought before your eyes to show you....their are NO MICROCHIPS!!!!

Was going to start a new post, but I'll post here instead.
Looks like Wisconsin is concerned enough about the chips that they are prohibiting the mandatory implanting of them.
www.duluthsuperior.com...

Thing is though, people will want them, no need to force anybody.

Originally posted by Toadmund
Looks like Wisconsin is concerned enough about the chips that they are prohibiting the mandatory implanting of them.

They didn't mention anything about the penguins, did they?

Well if Prince William, Charles and Harry have one why not. It could save your childs life. I think I remember a TV program about the Royals having all those neet gadgets. Bullet proof tires, glass and everything.

Jeez we have some idiots on here. I'm surprised these people can even use a keyboard.

There is NO IMPLANT!

In fact in my state the CHIP Program is run by Volunteers! There is no evil plot to save the info or database your kids. Regular joe volunteers run it - not a ficticious shadow grou.

IN FACT SAVING THE INFORMATION IS ILLEGAL!

Have you heard of that HIPPA thing? The Masons are not HIPPA compliant therefore they cannot save that information for any use other than GIVE IT TO YOU!

In fact in pennsylvania this program is HUGE! "Purple Packs" which contain information on children are distributed via Masons. When Police deal with any children abductions the 1st question they ask for is "Where's the Purple Pack?"

DID YOU KNOW that the CHIP Program saves the information in an Amber Alert Format? (no it isnt just a text file.) A concerned parent can give any police officer w/ a laptop in their patrol car the Masonic CHIP CD w/ info on their child and that information is INSTANTLY fed into the Amber Alert systems.

It really irks me to see these CRAZIES thinking an organization would actually implant a miochip into anyone. The Masonic CHIP program is a good program.

And to the guy who didnt like the dental mold thing... Then dont do it. The whole operation is alike an assembly line where you go station to station. If you dont want to do a dental mold you dont have to. Dont think you cant get a Packet just because you dont want to do *1* step in the procedure. But just so you know, bodies are identified every day via dental records, and that information would be important to have in case of tragedy.

No matter How you slice it or dice it - The CHIP Program is a valued service to society.

If you think this is a big conspiracy why dont you do the world a favor and go videotape the next locla CHIP event - then put that video on youtube or something. Im positive that the Masons would let you stand behind the laptops so you can see for yourself what software they use and how it works SO YOU KNOW 100% none of the information is saved.

thanks for listening.

Originally posted by ARIST0CRAT

And to the guy who didnt like the dental mold thing... Then dont do it. The whole operation is alike an assembly line where you go station to station. If you dont want to do a dental mold you dont have to. Dont think you cant get a Packet just because you dont want to do *1* step in the procedure. But just so you know, bodies are identified every day via dental records, and that information would be important to have in case of tragedy.

HUH? You mean me?

I was just posting what the CHIP stuff really was.

NO!!!!
I may not be a parent but I would never do that si my kid(s). That is a very unkind thing to do. You would not know whyat would happen to your kid when he left the house. Would some be watching him 24 hours. Could a "bad" person get a hard of the information. Could the cip ever be taken out? Would it be painful?
There are way to many risk and why would you want it in the fist place?

Just to re-iterate, for those who may have missed it. There is no microchip in the masonic CHIP program. CHIP stands for CHild Identification Program.

Hope that's clear.

Quite frankly, I dont care if it's harmful or not. I dont want a chip in my child, me or whoever.
They say it's no "chip". They say it's ran by volunteers. They say there is a "chip implant". They say it's some secret organisation.
You can't believe anything you hear, see or read these days.
For all the people dat are wondering. Im a very paranoid person. I trust no one. No thing.
Because they tell you it's volunteer work, u believe them?
Because they say it's some kind of monitoring device, you believe them?
The world is filled with liars, deciept, crazy & plain evil ppl.
& I wont be surprised if they are realling implanting chips into yall like monkeys & monitoring your every move. We're cazy like dat.
It's all well & nice to be optimistic & idealistic. But, in this day & age, that really doesn't help you. My happiness & sanity is kept thru laughter & music. If it weren't for those two, I'd be just as mad as some of the ppl in world today.
Like it or not, Paranoia lenghtens your life span.
It may cause you to be stressed out, tired & weiry. That's why there's the music & humor.
Hey, it's not my fault Im paranoid. I didnt choose to be. I am forced to think this way.

even without the chip why do you want them with such a record of every kid..you want more incidents like Sarah Payne..you don't think there's the slightest chance this info can be taken advantage of? wtf

I'd let them implant the chip once my hands were cold and lifeless.