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posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I don't think that gods have color or any other physical attributes, but if you can provide a photo, I'd be willing to concede.



When you look in the mirror everyday you do see a potential God.

But most of us, including myself of course, are no more than rice eating worms.




It was Pike's belief that the ancient Aryans were the possessors of the original and pure religion, which were corrupted by the Egyptians, Hebrews, and even the Aryans' own descendants (Hindus, Zoroastrians, and modern Europeans and Americans).



Well who are these "Aryans", and where did they come from?

The Gnostic/Theosophical view is that the first sub-race of the Aryan Root-Race were the Mongolians and Tibetans of the Gobi desert, if I'm not mistaken.





"Aryan" is an Ancient term for Noble One.

In Buddhism it is in reference to a certain level of Initiation.

It does not necessarily refer to those of a pale skin color; even though the latter adopted the term for themselves.




Pike was of the opinion that the ancient Aryans constituted the first real civilization and religion, and that all others were derived from them in a degraded form. For example, he believed that the seven potencies of the Deity recognized by the ancient Aryans were misunderstood by Hebrew scholars at Babylon when they first became exposed to the doctrines of Pythagoras. Misunderstanding the esoteric meaning of the Tetractys, they instituted ten emanations instead of the original seven, which became the Sephiroth (see Pike's "Lectures On The Indo-Aryans" and Legenda B of the 32nd degree)



Well I'm of the opinion that this can be reconciled, at that the Babylonians and Hebrews and Kemetians all knew it.

The Seven Logoi(Five known Dhyani Buddhas plus two Occult Dhyani Buddhas) may be related to Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Earth.

Or perhaps Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Pluto.

But somehow, the Seven Logoi and 10 Sephiroth can be reconciled.

The best way to know, is to investigate internally, instead of juggling opinions all the time.

Though it would certainly help to study Gnostic-Kabbalah and Meditation in combination with ABHIDHARMAKOSABHASYAM and ABHIDHARMASAMUCCAYA(Buddhist Kabbalah).


Pythagoras, from what I understand, besides being an Initiate of Shetaut Neter, was also an Initiate of the Samkhya sect of India that is often mentioned in Buddhism in comparison to the Vaibhashika, Sautrantika, Chittamatra, Svatantrika-Madhyamaka and Prasangika-Madhyamaka(Five main schools of Buddhism, the Prasangika Middle-Way as put forth by Nagarjuna usually winning in debates).


It is said by some that the Pythagorean system was most heavily influenced by the Samkhya philosophy.




I don't recall Pike mentioning Higgins, but refers to Blavatsky as a charlatan on p. 135 of his "Symbolism of the Blue Degrees".



Hmmm... interesting, I'll have to look that up.

Have you studied the "Celtic Druids" and "Anacalypis"?




I agree that it was not necessarily a bad thing to have been an original member; however, there is not the slightest bit of evidence that Pike was a member. In the abovementioned book, Pike relates that outside of Masonry, the only Society which he belonged was the Oddfellows. Furthermore, even then, the KKK required Protestant Christianity as a prerequisite to membership, and Pike despised sectarian societies, as is evidenced by many passages in "Morals and Dogmas".



Fair enough, I'll have to learn more about this subject as well.






[edit on 22-11-2006 by Tamahu]




posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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Where did Hall say such a thing?







Right here:





Collected Writings: Early Works


..."Races are like individuals. We try to teach the child; we try to cooperate with the man, while age receives our veneration and respect. Why do we not show the same respect to those old white-haired nations who have racially given us birth?

From ancient empires comes all that we are and have- our genius as well as the foundation of our arts and sciences.

While the Anglo-Saxon race was still wandering, fierce and wild, through uncultivated wastes, living in holes dug out of the sides of hills, and fighting like harry anthropoids for the rotting bones of beasts they had slain, the ancient Indian Empire was sitting in meditation or deep-buried in libraries filled with books bearing upon their hand-illumined pages of wisdom of a hundred generations.


Thier Emperors, robed in cloth of gold, wielded scepters of jade and amber over teeming millions while the white man was still a wild, uncouth savage, riding shaggy ponies and gnawing at the outskirts of this ancient civilization.


Where is the respect and veneration that we owe to Egypt, Chaldea, and Phoenicia, cradle of human progress? Has man forgotten the most ancient of all proverbs, "Honor thy father and thy mother?"


Our race was born somewhere in the heart of India, nourished upon the wisdom of the East, and launched upon its way to carry the standards of human progress through the generations to follow. Can we not realize that we are all one family, and that man's inhumanity to man is the reason why the nations of the past lie hungry and starved while the child to which they gave birth goes heedlessly on its way?"






In this part, Manly P. Hall mentions that the Great White Lodge(of which the Trans-Himalayan Brotherhood is part of) rules the World from Shamballa in the Gobi desert, guarded by Nagas or Serpent Angels):


"The Aryan race (of which both the modern Hindu and the Anglo-Saxon are sub-races) had its beginning somewhere in Central Asia. While Western anthropologists even admit this, they do not link this fact in any way with the Hindu belief that the race migrated from the Gobi desert, where the first white man was born."








"Tibet knows all too well that in the wake of the white man there follows desolation and ruin: hence the struggle to prevent its national treasures from being dissipated and its religion from being over-thrown by the vandalism of foreign nations"






Compare this with the prophecy of H.P. Blavatsky quoted a few posts back(look for her pic). Both were written at least 25-50 years before the Zionist controlled Communist Chinese from the Black Lodge invaded and vandalized Tibet. So the "white man" from the Black Lodge, used the Chinese government as pawns to attack one of the main strongholds of the Great White Lodge on this Earth, one of the last places on Earth where the Mysteries were pretty much open to the public...

That is until now..., as the Gnostic Initiatic Colleges have been re-opened for the public, thanks to the V.M Samael Aun Weor. We now can even go to the local bookstore and get books written by Tibetan Masters about Ati-Yoga, Dzogchen or Highest Yoga-Tantra.

So as H.H. The Dalai Lama said, all of this may be in a way, a blessing in disguise. So let's take advantage of it while we can.





Also, Tibet will rise again!






My Return to Tibet


"How much pain I felt when walking through all of the towns and villages of Tibet!

Everywhere, here, there and further, I could see the Chinese Communist troops that perfidiously had invaded the sacred land of the Adepts.

How frightful the profaners are! Behold there the red soldiers at the doors of the very sacred pagodas, cynically making a mockery of what they do not understand.

Unto the divine Padma Sambhava, incarnation of the Lotus and protector for all the Conscious Beings, I supplicate freedom for Tibet.

Unto all the sublime Fathers and Mothers of all Buddhas from the five Orders, I beseech to remove forever the barbarian hordes who have assassinated the Saints.

Bhagavan Aklaiva, protector Master of our Sacred Order, help us. Remove from Tibet the brutalising hordes of Marxism.

Ah! The Tathagata (Buddha) knows very well how much I had to suffer when contemplating the terrible solitude of the valley of Amitabha.

What happened with those religious festivities, which in a fore time were cheering the sublime valley?

Now, only the sanguinary troops of Marxism are seen everywhere. Until when will this bitterness have to continue?

Fortunately, the Monastery of the Sacred Order of Tibet is very well-protected inside the Fourth Dimension." - Samael Aun Weor









That an imposter such as Elijah Muhammed said it is not surprising, or at least no more so than Farrakhan saying that white folks were created by black scientists. Anthropology, however, nominally agrees with Pike.




As I've said before, all that is symbolic of Yogic practice and psychology.

Fard Muhammad was said to be a Master, and Elijah Muhammad an Adept.

Farrakhan might be an imposter though.






Regards





[edit on 22-11-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Tamahu



When you look in the mirror everyday you do see a potential God.

But most of us, including myself of course, are no more than rice eating worms.


But we are neither gods nor worms. For better or for worse, we are Men.






Well who are these "Aryans", and where did they come from?

The Gnostic/Theosophical view is that the first sub-race of the Aryan Root-Race were the Mongolians and Tibetans of the Gobi desert, if I'm not mistaken.


I think we can safely ignore such pseudo-Gnostic and theosophical speculations, since anthropology and archaeology have proved them incorrect.

What we know of the Aryans is that they were the primary ancestors of the Hindus, the Persians, and the races of modern Europe and their descendants in North America.

The Vedic Poets, especially those who composed the Rig Veda, referred to their ancestors as "Aryans". You are correct that the word is usually translated as "noble", but in the Sanskrit mother tongue, also denotes one on horseback. It seems that they were the first developers of culture and letters, and the literature of their poets and theologians are the oldest books in the history of the world.

What Pike found striking about the Aryans was their religious beliefs and practices. For example, while other tribes, races, and nations engaged in blood sacrifice, including that of human sacrifice, even of their own children, such monstrosities never occured to the ancient Aryan intellect. They worshiped fire and light as physical manifestations of Indra, the Universal Light, and their sacrifices consisted of bundles of twigs being set ablaze, and becoming one with the light. They disbelieved in harming living creatures, emanations of the Infinite, and thus developed the doctrine of Karma, passing it down to their descendants in Hindustan.



"Aryan" is an Ancient term for Noble One.

In Buddhism it is in reference to a certain level of Initiation.


The Buddha, being of the nation of Nepal, was an Aryan descendant. It is speculated by some historians and many mystics, including Pike, that the adoption of the Swastika, that ancient solar symbol of Indra and the Aryan race, by the Buddha and his followers was in regards to pointing to the fact that Buddhism contained and promulgated the purer Aryan doctrines which had become corrupted in Hinduism.


It does not necessarily refer to those of a pale skin color; even though the latter adopted the term for themselves.


It is generally conceded that the Aryans were pale of skin. Pike pointed out that they were "white men" (see his "Lectures On The Arya").

We know that some of the Aryan descendants entered and populated Persia, while others drifted northward into the Caucaus Mountains, the origin of the term "Caucausian".

It was Pike's contention that the mysterious Hyksos, who invaded, conquered, and civilzed Egypt, were of Aryan descent; that the Aryan Hyksos intermarried with the dark-skinned early inhabitants of Egypt, giving birth to the race of lighter skinned peoples who ruled Egypt in the classical periods. This was also the meaning behind Pike's comments that the Egyptian Mysteries had their origin in India, and why the Egyptians adopted, along with the Ankh, the Eye of Shiva as their most sacred religious symbol.

He also contended that modern Hindus were descendants of intermarriages between Aryans and dark skinned inhabitants of the near east and north Africa, while the Persians and Europeans, both white races, were of a purer familial line of Aryan.







Well I'm of the opinion that this can be reconciled, at that the Babylonians and Hebrews and Kemetians all knew it.


I too believe it can be reconciled, but tend to agree with Pike that the Babylonian Magi knew the original attributions, but that they were generally misunderstood by the Hebrews and Egyptians.

The ten rows of the Tetractys became for the Egyptians and Hebrews, ten manifestations or emnanations. But the original meaning, known to Pythagoras, Was that the apex of the Tetractys represented Ahura Mazda, not an emanation per se. The second row, with two dots, again showed Ahura Mazda, but also the Divine Wisdom, Spenta Mainyu. The third, with three dots, showed the second emanation and Magian Trinity, Ahura Mazda, Spenta Mainyu, and the Divine Word, Voho Manu. And so on, throughout the seven potencies of Deity understood by the Aryans.






[edit on 24-11-2006 by Masonic Light]



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
But we are neither gods nor worms. For better or for worse, we are Men.



It would be nice if we could say that just having the humanoid form makes us Men.

But, to the chagrin of many, it does not.

A real Man, is the Solar Man, born of Sex and not of fornication.

So Takuan Soho was certainly correct, when he told Miyamoto Musashi that the latter is not a Man, but only a "rice eating worm"(because he had not yet entered Initiation)

It's funny that this comes up, as I was just at the book store and had opened Oliver's "Pythagorean Triangle" of which had a quote from H.P. Blavatsky at the beginning...

...which I can only find in part on-line(and not the part I'm looking for), so never mind, I'll try to post it later...




I think we can safely ignore such pseudo-Gnostic and theosophical speculations, since anthropology and archaeology have proved them incorrect.




Really?



The Truth

...Likewise, a blind-person can also give to him/herself the luxury of believing in the Sun or not believing in the Sun - and even doubting about its existence – nevertheless, the King Star (the Sun) will continue giving light and life to everything that exists, without giving the slightest value to whimsical opinions...





Most of what you have said about the Aryans is fine; and most of it probably true, such as about Indra(being the Light and Fire or Luci-Fer), who I believe is the Hindu version of Vajrapani the Holder of the Dorje(Diamond/Lightning)


(who could be an aspect of the Black Fire spoken of in the Zohar):










Indra and Shachi:









However...



It is generally conceded that the Aryans were pale of skin.



What is generally conceded by profane scholars, intellectuals, "Egyptologists", etc. is usually nonsense.

For example, compare the excellent writings of Godfrey Higgins, Gerald Masssey, Ra Un Nefer Amen, Muata Ashby and Schwaller de Lubicz to the nonsense written by Wallis Budge, who referred to the Khemetians as "savage" and "half-civilized Africans", etc.

But I'm sure Albert Pike had his reasons for what he wrote, and that even though he didn't reveal the whole truth about the Aryans(whether he knew it or not), much of what he wrote was probably accurate, though perhaps not complete.




It was Pike's contention that the mysterious Hyksos, who invaded, conquered, and civilzed Egypt, were of Aryan descent



Now according to your interpretation of Albert Pike's writings, he's starting to sound like those who say that Jews and "negroes" have always been savage, and that the "more evolved light-skinned Aryans" were the only ones to have erected cultured Civilizations.

I guess I'll just have to read his works myself and compare them to those of other Initiates, as to see what reconciliation there may or may-not be between them.





I too believe it can be reconciled, but tend to agree with Pike that the Babylonian Magi knew the original attributions, but that they were generally misunderstood by the Hebrews and Egyptians.




Perhaps Albert Pike's mission was to conceal certain things with the "blinds and errors" mentioned in H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", knowing full-well that they were to mislead the profane curious seeker?



posted on Nov, 29 2006 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu



It would be nice if we could say that just having the humanoid form makes us Men.

But, to the chagrin of many, it does not.

A real Man, is the Solar Man, born of Sex and not of fornication.


A "real man" is a male member of the human race, created in the image of God. It is a biological term.








Really?


Yes. Such writings are often imbued with fantasy and make believe, and are easily disproven by authentic history.




But I'm sure Albert Pike had his reasons for what he wrote, and that even though he didn't reveal the whole truth about the Aryans(whether he knew it or not), much of what he wrote was probably accurate, though perhaps not complete.


Pike's complete discourse on the Aryans is found in his ritual of the 32nd degree. The majority of it, however, is also available in his public writings.







Now according to your interpretation of Albert Pike's writings, he's starting to sound like those who say that Jews and "negroes" have always been savage, and that the "more evolved light-skinned Aryans" were the only ones to have erected cultured Civilizations.


True, but it is important to note here that Pike was simply a man of his time. In his "Lectures On The Arya", Pike offers his belief that the white race is "superior", and wherever civilization exists, it's because the white folks have been there and civilized it.

Pike's first comment here can indeed be construed as racist. However, again, Pike was merely echiong the sentiments of his time. He believed that his own race was, in general, superior, but did not wish ill-will to other races, as the racist would.

Pike's second statement, however, even though not politically correct, deserves a bit more inquiry. After all, in the jungles of the Congo and the bushes of Australia, there still are savages. Practically all technology is western in origin. This is not say that I agree with Pike in any inherent superiority of the Aryan race, but I cannot deny the fact that civilization as the word is understood today originated with the ancestors of my own ethnic group.




Perhaps Albert Pike's mission was to conceal certain things with the "blinds and errors" mentioned in H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", knowing full-well that they were to mislead the profane curious seeker?


Pike's beliefs are openly declared, in both his ritual and writings. He was a true scholar and an academic. If Blavatsky wanted to talk about Mu and Lemuria, Pike would have wasted not another moment unless she could have provided some academic evidence. Although a mystic and an occultist, he was also a scientist and historian, as well as a logician, which often made him a critic of popular forms of "occultism" like Blavatsky's.



posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 10:27 PM
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Tamuh, I credit you for digging up the most unusual reads. Very amusing.

Even if hall was a 33rd Mason it didn't make him all to special. Popular maybe, but blessed with seceret wisdom? Come on now.

Your so into your self and your interesting little books. Go visit a lodge and spare the rest of us your... "research"

Your rant on Hall would be like saying because Pike was a Mason we all hate blacks.


My favorite color is blue. Me being a Mason then means all Masons favorite color is blue right? That is the way it works right?



posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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how about red and blue lodges pointing to old testament red thread of zerah versus blue thread of pharez ?.... since freemasons seem to use so much imagery from old testament.
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posted on Dec, 6 2006 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by c60605
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how about red and blue lodges pointing to old testament red thread of zerah versus blue thread of pharez ?.... since freemasons seem to use so much imagery from old testament.
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what about the Jewish High Clergymen.. they wear a red ribbon tied to their wrist to avoid 'the eye' apparently.. I seen in a documentary... where they interviewed a jewish guy who investigated jewish stuff.... who wears the blue ones?



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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OK enough about what Mankind or Man is.
let us address the true question. Humankind. As addressed by Black Elk and others I challenge you to find this term or its definition in any faiths dogma.



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by The Dark Lord
OK enough about what Mankind or Man is.
let us address the true question. Humankind. As addressed by Black Elk and others I challenge you to find this term or its definition in any faiths dogma.




HU = Breath of Life: Christ-Chokmah, TeHUti of Ancient Khemet, HU of the Druids, HUng or HUM of Tantric Buddhism, HUeHUeteotl of the Aztecs, etc.

MAN = Manas(Sanskrit) which means Mind: The Original Black Man, Tiphereth, Netzach, Heru, Hetheru, etc.


The real Man is the Solar Mind or Solar Manas created through the process of Alchemy; the Solar Sahu(Khemetic), To Soma Heliakon, Merkabah, etc.

The four bodies of sin(lunar Physical, lunar Astral, lunar Mental and lunar Causal) are the lunar sahu.

So the lunar sahu man is only a intellectual-animal.


The four bodies of sin must be made into Solar Bodies of Gold.

So in this we have the first Five Initiations of Major Mysteries:

1) Malkuth: Srotapanna/Srotapatti

2) Yesod: Sakridagamin

3) Hod: Anagamin

4) Netzach: Arhat

5) Tiphereth: Sravaka-hood or Pratyekabuddha-hood or the continuation of the Bodhisattva Path.


This is a true Human Being





Regards






[edit on 12-12-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Tamuh, I credit you for digging up the most unusual reads. Very amusing.



Thanks.



Even if hall was a 33rd Mason it didn't make him all to special. Popular maybe, but blessed with seceret wisdom? Come on now.



You're right.

The 33rd Degree in itself doesn't necessarily mean much these days.

It is almost given out like candy.

I'm much more impressed with Manly P. Hall's writings before he even became a Mason, than what I see/hear from so many modern so-called 32nd and 33rd Degree Masons.



Your so into your self and your interesting little books. Go visit a lodge and spare the rest of us your... "research"



What in particular about my "research" bothers you?



Your rant on Hall would be like saying because Pike was a Mason we all hate blacks.



I don't understand.

Care to explain?



My favorite color is blue. Me being a Mason then means all Masons favorite color is blue right? That is the way it works right?



Where would you get the idea that that is my line of thinking?

An example would be nice.





Regards



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Pike's second statement, however, even though not politically correct, deserves a bit more inquiry. After all, in the jungles of the Congo and the bushes of Australia, there still are savages.



What about the savages we see walking down the streets everyday here in the big cities of America and Europe?

The homos dressed up in designer clothing on MTV are Living a Beast Life and are more savage than any Aborigine or person in the Congo.




...One who lives according to zodiacal influences is savage.


The majority of people, then, are actually savages, cavemen and women stylishly dressed in Amani suits and lovely skirts but totally consumed with indulging animal passions and "creature comforts."


The current human condition is what is known as the "fall of Adam" (Atman or Ba). The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that the civilized man's duty was to teach the savages and that we was to be punished if he failed in his duty. "Punishment" symbolizes self-imposed austerities (like fasting or other deprivations) for failing to rule over the lower parts of being. This is also what the Quran means by beating your wife if she acts in a lewd manner. The "wife" symbolizes the emotional part of the self. "Four wives" symbolize mastery of the four magical elements: earth, air, water and fire. Spiritual cultivation proceeds from the bottom (physical body) to the top (atman or Ba). Thus the Quran says that God made man from "black mud fashioned into shape." When the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said "we must do something for the self" he meant that we have to take action to develop our atman (Ba soul).




Some tribes may, or may not have lost the intellectual spark that allows them to enter Initiation(H.P. Blavatsky may or may not be mistaken on this), but at least they're not destroying the planet like the so-called modern "civilized" people are.

When the animal instincts dominate the cunning intellect, we become worse than animals.

And even if some tribes don't have much if any intellectual capability, it is not because of their race, but because of a karma related to that specific tribe.

See this: www.abovetopsecret.com...




Practically all technology is western in origin. This is not say that I agree with Pike in any inherent superiority of the Aryan race, but I cannot deny the fact that civilization as the word is understood today originated with the ancestors of my own ethnic group.



Well maybe we should abandon "civilization" in the Western sense of the word, and go back to the ways of the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Masonry.


Most technology is the product of Zionists and profane "scientists" of the Anti-Christ from the Black Lodge.

Read this:

The Anti-Christ


Anyway, I'm not putting all this forth in attempt to make Albert Pike look like he didn't know what he was talking about.

Like I've said before, I'll need to study his works more as to understand the context in which they were written.





Regards








[edit on 12-12-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 12:18 AM
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I know that it might be interesting to postulate on the purpose of Freemasonry, but such matters are easily explained.

The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline. I have recently approached a lodge in the US and announced my connection to the bloodline and was immediately brought to the Grand Master of the lodge. I won't say much more........but it is such a simple explanation and it is rather tiresome to see all the effort and energy expended when I read all the conspiracy theories written about!



posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by StonyJ


The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline.


Freemasonry doesn't recognize the existence of any "Davidic bloodline". Nor, dare I say, does anyone else.




posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by StonyJ


The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline.


Freemasonry doesn't recognize the existence of any "Davidic bloodline". Nor, dare I say, does anyone else.




I dare say that you are incorrect. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. Artists and soldiers.......it's always been about King David and King Solomon.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by StonyJ
The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline. I have recently approached a lodge in the US and announced my connection to the bloodline and was immediately brought to the Grand Master of the lodge.


Grand Master of the lodge? I don't recall referring to the Worshipful Master of my lodge as the Grand Master. Now the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of the state on the other hand... Or was it the District Deputy Grand Master of the lodge's district? These titles can get so confusing at times.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by StonyJ


I dare say that you are incorrect. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. Artists and soldiers.......it's always been about King David and King Solomon.


Stony, the thing is, nobody is even sure if David or Solomon even existed, or if they are just mythological figures. Archaeologists disagree, but even the ones who consider them historical persons usually do so out of their own personal religious beliefs, not historical evidence.

There is no known "Davidic bloodline" in existence.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Given 3,000 years or however long ago he was supposed to have lived..

His descendants would measure in the hundreds of thousands.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by StonyJ


I dare say that you are incorrect. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. Artists and soldiers.......it's always been about King David and King Solomon.


Stony, the thing is, nobody is even sure if David or Solomon even existed, or if they are just mythological figures. Archaeologists disagree, but even the ones who consider them historical persons usually do so out of their own personal religious beliefs, not historical evidence.

There is no known "Davidic bloodline" in existence. [/quo

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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 10:35 PM
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Hi:
The two references I know of a blacklodge are as fallows:
1. I heard people refered to a blacklodge when they refer to a Prince Hall lodge because the majorety of the members are Africanamerican. Weather is politically correct is another issue. I am only stating how I heard it being used.

2, Being that in many countries masonary is very discreet, when a mason dies many brothers will attend the funeral but no masonic ceremony is performed. Then latter on in lodge they will have a masonic funeral service for him where the members attend and remember him. The Lodge is open as a Black Lodge Because it is an official ceremony to honor the passed on of a brother mason. I have attended a black lodge ceremony for a brother in central america. They call it Logia Funebre or Logia Negra.
The Blue Lodge all it means besically is that that lodge is a regular lodge. In other words, that lodge is in good standing order with the Grand Lodge.





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