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Anyone ever read Animal Farm

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posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama

Originally posted by The_Time_is_now
Has anyone ever read the book called Animal Farm? Because If you have, then you will realize that the same thing is happening right now, and there is many similarities. Any thoughts?


Animal Farm is just communist propaganda. It symbolizes the rise and fall of certain communist leaders. It's been a while since high school english, but I think the original Head Honcho Pig (old Major? old General?) was supposed to be Lenin or Marx, the farmer was supposed to be the Czar/capitolism, and the good pig (Snowball? Snowball II?) was supposed to be Stalin. I've probably got it wrong, but I do know it was pro-communist rhetoric.


Anti-communist propaganda, anti-communist rhetoric, would be more apt. Snowball wasn't good, the other pigs turned on him when he tried to take over and was exiled, but he might have been Stalin.

I think Orwell was actuall talking about most revolutions/hypocrisy and not just Communism though. Communist leaders and society (as it turned out to be) were used as a model.

[edit on 26-4-2006 by Paralaxx]




posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 11:39 PM
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Dude- I know exactly what you're saying and totally agree with you.

7 Rules: The 7 Rules of the Farm


1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol in excess.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
7. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.




You hit the nail right on the head. Keep it up.



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by The_Time_is_now
Has anyone ever read the book called Animal Farm? Because If you have, then you will realize that the same thing is happening right now, and there is many similarities. Any thoughts?


yes i have read it long agoe,it alluded to soviet russian



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 12:52 AM
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I think its important to remmember that ideas can mean different things at different times. It all depends on Perception. Animal Farm yes was written during communist scare times and therefor at the time prolly had to do with those issuse. However, that does not preclude future readers and anylists from drawing different conclusions. I think that in a way you could say that the Pigs are Corporate America the Humans are the NWO/Neonazis/pickurvillan and the rest of the animals are THE PEOPLE. From that perspective Animal Farm takes on a new light while not deviating from the central princpal that all forms of establishment eventually become as corrupt if not more corrupt than the previous establishment. This is just my opinon. If you think about it Pigs stir revolution from humans and rule for a while and things are good....then slowly corruption seeps in pigs start acting more and more like humans and eventually are just as bad and in some instances worse than the humans were but the trully sadistic thing is that the animals for a while believe that because they are pigs and not humans that they cant both be corrupt...seeing any similarities yet. Eventually the pigs act and look after a fashion just like thier former human masters(NWO/Neonazis/aliens/etc). To me this story is simply a portrait of not only American Governemnt but of many govenments around the world.

El senor pom pom rides again



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 12:59 AM
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So have you kids had to read Lord of the Flies, The Butterfly Revolution, The Outsiders, or East of Eden yet?



[edit on 27-4-2006 by HowardRoark]



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 01:25 AM
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Well, you have to consider that the governments original role was to provide a military to protect the people. That was it. "...the REPUBLIC for which it stands." Don't know if the book really mirrors what's going on today, but it is a good read, if you are interested in "good ol' communist regalements"



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 02:16 AM
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I was always told that snowball was Lenin...or Trotsky...one of them, when and that Stalin was the pig that eventually takes over, seen as how Stalin eventually hated Lenin and tried to erase him from history basically...er...yes. Anyway been a while since I read it.

Anyway, similarities....I'm not too sure about that. The animals believed that what was happening was good for them and basically in the world now people think the government it out to get them. So not really the same.



posted on Apr, 27 2006 @ 11:49 PM
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Orwell hated Communism. True.

Orwell himself was a Socialist.

The fact people (mainly Americans) can't reconcile those two points speaks volumes.



BTW, did none of you even notice what I said about the CIA editing the animation?

I 'flipping' despair. Really.


[edit on 28-4-2006 by kegs]



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 12:52 AM
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Actually an even better book to read is Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. In it he not only talks about class warfare; he also has a different take on totalitarianism.

As for Animal Farm, I love the book because it talks about the dangers of acquiesing to any intolerant governmental control. It goes to show you that people (or animals in this case revolting against humans) are willing to swallow any amount of propaganda and worship their government--until the government is corrupted and turns on its citizens.



[edit on 28-4-2006 by ceci2006]



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by kegs
BTW, did none of you even notice what I said about the CIA editing the animation?
I 'flipping' despair. Really.
[edit on 28-4-2006 by kegs]


I found it fairly humorous that the CIA edited the British animation.


Commenting on an earlier poster; are you sure Snowball wasn't "good", at least in Orwell's perspective. I recall him making it seem like Snowball was sort of a "good dictator" should one exist. Of course, this "good" dictator was run out by the bad one, but still.



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 01:28 AM
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Do you think the CIA did it for Humourous reasons?



posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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hint about "Animal Farm" think Russia in WW2.

I won't give it away, or you could just rent the movie.



posted on May, 10 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Paralaxx


Anti-communist propaganda, anti-communist rhetoric, would be more apt. Snowball wasn't good, the other pigs turned on him when he tried to take over and was exiled, but he might have been Stalin.



Snowball was Trotsky, Napoleon was Stalin. Orwell had been a member of the Communist Party, but left it when he found out what Stalinism was all about during the Spansih Civil War. He became a staunch anti-communist, and remained so for the rest of his life.

1984 deals with same basic characters. Big Brother is Stalin and Goldstein is Trotsky (whose real last name was Bronstein).

[edit on 10-5-2006 by Masonic Light]



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 02:43 AM
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If the Communist dictum was so apparent in the original story, why the CIA edit for the American audience?



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 04:07 AM
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To prevent the spread of communism to America perhaps?



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 04:11 AM
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So...


I hate to repeat myself but..


If the Communist dictum was so apparent in the original story, why the need for the CIA edit for the American audience?




[edit on 12-5-2006 by kegs]



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by kegs



If the Communist dictum was so apparent in the original story, why the need for the CIA edit for the American audience?




I think I've missed something here. Who claimed that the book was edited by the CIA?

I know that Orwell accused the British intelligence apparatus of censorship because they opposed the book, ostensibly because they didn't like anti-Russian literature when the USSR was an ally during WWII. But I'm not aware of Orwell making any complaints against the CIA, or accusing the US of censorship.



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:34 AM
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ML, kegs is talking about this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

(from earlier in this thread)



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ceci2006
Actually an even better book to read is Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. In it he not only talks about class warfare; he also has a different take on totalitarianism.

I enjoy Huxley to a much greater extent than Orwell. Orwell is so heavy-handed. Animal Farm and 1984 both come across like some kind of rant, to me.

Huxley is far more nuanced. Much less annoying.

BTW, trying to decide "who is who" in Animal Farm (who's Lenin, who's Trotsky, Stalin, etc...) is a waste of time. The book stands alone without ascribing various characters to various historical personages.

Better to consider the characters indicative of the various classes that have always emerged in one form or the other from every Communist society. This way, you can find a place for Mao and Fidel as well!!



posted on May, 12 2006 @ 11:45 AM
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I think you will find that Animal farm was not lashing out at communism per se, more at stalin and how he twisted a (IMO) good IDEA to meet his own meglomaniacal (is that a word?) needs.

Old major was based on Marx

Snowball i think was a metaphor for reason (so muy teacher thinks)..

Napoleon was Stalin

The humans were the embodiment of capitalkism

And the other animals were represnting a led on populace, desperate for change...

It is an analogy of how Stlin came to power, and like its already been stated, 1984 is probably a more acurate representation of today...or tomorrow...(cut in errie music)...




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