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posted on Oct, 15 2003 @ 11:52 AM
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IRAN & SYRIA Next: Terror for Oil & Israel

Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria...

AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have already been attacked by the Israeli-American alliance. Afghanistan was attacked for a huge Caspian Sea oil pipeline project. Iraq was attacked for its vast oil reserves. Both were attacked for the security of Israel's illegal occupation. Who might be next?

IRAN. SYRIA. SAUDI ARABIA... They are all countries of tactical importance to the oil industry; all opposed to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian territory. We must now ask the question: which oilcountry and opponent of Israel will be attacked, robbed and taken over next? Will IRAN or SYRIA, or SAUDI ARABIA be attacked and occupied by an Israel-friendly oilgovernment next, killing thousands more civilians in the process?


Israel and the U.S. oilgovernment want an pretext to attack and occupy Iran and Syria starting - as usual - with the theft of their oil installations and any locations of strategic importance to the oil industry. An excuse will be found or created at all costs.

Most likely is that there will be a terrorist attack on Israeli or Jewish targets abroad or American targets in Israel. Or Both. Iran & Syria will be blamed and attacked by the Israeli-American coalition.

Ordinary people - innocent Jews, Arabs, Whites, etc. - will be the victims. As usual. Only top Zionists and oilmen will benefit. As usual.


Perhaps Israel will just attack Syria and Iran anyway, provoking them into military action and facilitating the extension of the Oil-Israel-War.

Or perhaps there will be another avoidable, expected, fore-warned and convenient terrorist attack against the West, like that of September 11, or the bombing of the UN in Baghdad. (The U.S. government had ample intelligence warning about both, but they did nothing.) Maybe you would be wise to support the next US-led invasions: if another big terrorist atrocity is needed to propagandise support for attacking more anti-Israel oilcountries then another massive atrocity will occur.

Rich, greedy, war-obsessed, Israel-obsessed oilmen like Bush & Co., do not care about American soldiers, or Arab civilians, or any of the victims on either side. Afghanistan & Iraq, the first victims of the Israeli-American oilwars, remain in chaos. But niether the Oil Lobby, the Israel Lobby, or their American government care about the loss of life. They only care about Oil and Israel. They will do anything to gain control of global oil markets and to eliminate any serious opposition to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

We have seen soldiers and innocent people on both sides die in Afghanistan. The suffering there is ongoing. We are also witness the ongoing death & destruction in Iraq. We will soon see far more suffering and bloodshed in Iran, Syria, perhaps eventually Saudi Arabia and other locations of strategic importance to Israel and oilmen alike...


AFGHANISTAN: Already under US control with a new regime led by Hamed Karzai and other former executives American oil corporations. The new Caspian Sea oil pipeline there was planned long before September 11. The new regime installed by the "war on terror" was always a stated prerequisite for the oil pipeline. The Taliban is returning in strength and Osama bin Laden remains at large. But the Centgas pipeline is going ahead as planned back in 1998.

IRAQ: The world's second largest (and most accessible) source of oil. Before being attacked, Iraq was also opposed to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Iraqi Oilfields were siezed within hours of the very first ground attacks of "Operation Iraqi Liberation" (OIL). Saddam's military dictatorship has simply been replaced by a new, oil-centric, Israel-friendly American military dictatorship, with full control of Iraq's oil (contrary to US government assurances). This is just armed robbery on a big scale. AMERICANS, WAKE UP! IRAQ HAD NO LINKS TO THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11! Saddam and Osama were enemies before Iraq was attacked. (What was Iraq about? No Threat! No WMD! No serious post-war plan! Just an oilwar by an Israel-obsessed oilgovernment.) "We will disarm Saddam" quickly changed to: We Have Taken Over Iraq And Siezed Their Oil." US troops guarded Iraq's oilfields while hospitals, left unprotected by the US government, were ransacked. (This was a crime under the Geneva Convention.) Hamid Karzai of US oilcompany Unocal, part of the Centgas oil pipeline consortium (as well as other oil puppets from America's Afghanistan oilgovernment) are assisting in forming the new US puppet oilgovernment in Iraq. If Iraq did have WMD (mostly sold to them by America & Britain in the first place) these weapons are now in the hands of terrorists, thanks to the Iraq oilwar.

IRAN: Another key oil country. Iran used to be the enemy of Iraq, but American attacks have forced Arabs and Islamists everywhere into dangerous anti-Western alliances. Iran has been another important opponent of Israel's illegal occupation.

SYRIA: Another key oil country now allied to the growing anti-Western alliance created by Israeli-American aggression against oilcountries and opponents of Israel. The US & British governments have been suppling Syria (as well as Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and other rogue states) with weapons, including WMD. Syria has been another leading opponent of Israel's illegal occupation.

SAUDI ARABIA: The world's most important oil producing country. Another leading opponent of Israel's illegal occupation. The US oilgovernment has close oil-ties with the Saudi oilgovernment. But Saudi Arabia is an oilcountry opposed to Israel's illegal occupation, so they are a target for an Israel-obsessed corporate-sponsored Anglo-American political establishment, that is infested Zionists and oilmen.

AFGHANISTAN : IRAQ : IRAN : SYRIA : SAUDI ARABIA...

* All key oil countries.
* All opposed to the illegal Israeli occupation.
* All opposed to Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity.
* All armed by America & Britain.
* All made to hate America by America's anti-Arab foreign policies.
* All targets.


THE OILWAR IS ABOUT OIL & ISRAEL:

IT IS NOT ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Other tyrants have weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were supplied by America and Britain. So were Syria's. And Saudi Arabia's. And Israel's, which include nuclear weapons. America and Britain knew that Iraq would pose no threat unless they were attacked, resulting in the dispersal of any WMD they may have had. Iraq was never a threat to the West. Former UK foreign secretary Robin Cook admits Tony Blair knew Iraq presented no real threat. (If Blair knew, Bush knew too.)
news.bbc.co.uk...

IT IS NOT ABOUT FREEDOM. America is installing a military dictatorship in Iraq and diverting maximum resources into the oil infrastructure while many people starve. The new regime in Afghanistan is already led by Hamed Karzai and other former employees of American oil corporations. This is not freedom. This is the imposing the will of Israel and the oil industry upon people who have no say.

IT IS NOT ABOUT TERRORISM. Iraq had no links to terrorism - until they were attacked and forced into new and dangerous alliances by the US oilgovernment in a war concieved by the Oil Lobby & the Israel Lobby. Fighters from Syria, Jordan, Iran, Lebanon and elsewhere have since flooded into Iraq. Hatred of America and the West is worse than ever before. As a result the threat of terrorism is greater than ever before and it is rising daily. There are now thousands of new terrorist recruits thanks to the oilwars. Arabs, Muslims, militants and terrorists all over the world are uniting in their hatred of the Zionism and corporate corruption of the Western elite. The US oilgovernment has blocked an investigation into the failings that enabled the September 11 attacks, refusing funding. What have they got to hide? Plenty: the CIA founded Al-Qaeda's precursor training camps in Afghanistan. The FBI knew the 9-11 terrorists were training as pilots in America but their investigation was blocked at high levels. September 11 was a licence for the Israeli American oilgovernment to do whatever they wanted, starting with the occupation of Afghanistan - which was planned in 1998, long before September 11 2001 - in order to build the Centgas Unocal Caspian Sea oil pipeline.

IT IS NOT ABOUT PEACE. American aggresion is turning half the world against America and her allies. We could be on the brink of a new World War if America continues to bully Saudi Arabia, Iran and North Korea. Over 60% of British casualties in the Iraq War were attacked by Americans! Many times more people are being killed as a result of the so-called war on terror than died as a result of terrorism. More Iraqi children have been killed PER MONTH by US-led sanctions alone than there were people killed in the entire September 11 tragedy. Innocents are still dying as a result of the illegal US-led invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq. It was not Saddam that destroyed Iraq, it was the U.S. Iraq was a sophisticated country, the birthplace of civilisation and home of mankind's first ever city. Prompted by allied military forces the Western media picked up on one boy with no arms. America claim to have saved him... Saved him from who?! It was U.S. attacks that crippled him in the first place! Thousands more childrens' stories have not become so well known. One suffering child being helped by U.S. soldiers makes good propaganda. Thousands of dead, maimed, impoverished children do not. U.S. forces are killing more civilians in Iraq almost daily, including children. ITN reporter Terry Lloyd was murdered when a civilian convoy was attacked and wounded. U.S. forces then returned to attack the clearly-marked ambulance, finally killing the journalist. The oilwars have killed more people than all the terrorist attacks in history put together. If you combine all the civilian and military casualties on both sides in the Afghanistan War and the Iraq war, including the deaths caused by TEN YEARS of U.S.-led sanctions AND ten years of constant bombing, the death toll is many times the total death toll of every attack that history records as an act of terrorism. Think about it: the September 11 attacks were the most disasterous terrorist act in history. Less than 4000 were killed. In THIS LATEST IRAQ WAR ALONE (Even EXCLUDING the massive casualties in Afghanistan, even EXCLUDING military casualties on BOTH sides, even EXCLUDING the years of sanctions, even EXCLUDING the years of bombings... even excluding all of that)... The CIVILIAN-ONLY body count for the latest attacks on Iraq stand at 7,376 (minimum) (9,178 maximum)
Source: www.iraqbodycount.net...
That's around twice as many civilian dead alone, as a MINIMUM, than there were civilians killed on September 11 2001. When you add on all the anonymous innocents butchered in Afghanistan and all the military deaths on BOTH sides of BOTH conflicts, the number rises almost exponentially. Once you factor in the U.S.-led sanctions and a decade of U.S. bombing Iraq, you start to appreciate the horror of the Oil-Israel holocaust. The "war on terror" is worse than every act of terror in history put together.

IT IS NOT ABOUT TYRANTS. Or Osama bin Laden. It is not about regimes. Once oilfields, key oil installations and the means to export oil were secured the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq were over. Only oil really matters in an oilwar.

IT IS NOT ABOUT TYRANNY. There are many tyrannical regimes as bad as or worse than Saddam's. Every day Israel breaks UN resolutions, expanding their brutal and illegal occupation of Palestine. They bulldoze people's homes, killing whole families with American weapons and build new illegal settlements. This ongoing crime is funded by over $3billion American tax-dollars every year from the American government, in mostly military aid.


Iran, Syria and other oilcountries will soon be attacked by the American oilgovernment. Our taxes and our lives will again be used to pay for the oilcrimes of corporate America and for the security of Israel. The resulting tensions are putting us all at increased risk of terrorism.


Oil & The Bush Cabinet:
news.bbc.co.uk...

Bush & Big Business:
news.bbc.co.uk...

American Zionism - Why Arabs hate America:
news.bbc.co.uk...

Oil Wars:
www.thedebate.org...


Source:

Acheson Intelligence Group




posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 10:01 AM
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Surprisingly, no one has responded to this thread. Eh, I wonder why?!


You've compiled quite a bit of information, AchesonGroup. As much as I hate to say it, you're probably more correct than incorrect. Powerful people stop at nothing to obtain those buck$. People with dollar $ign$ as pupils will continue to murder and destroy without ever feeling any remorse. With power comes abuse, and as intolerable as that may be, we're left with a feeling of helplessness. I can only hope for their demise. Thank you for your insight.



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 10:44 AM
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Great post! I enjoyed reading it alot.

Most of the Bush administration made their money on stock options in the oil industry. Wonder why they keep making decisions that up the price on oil?



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 12:50 PM
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finally some1 opened their eyes up to realize that there really is no truth behind the bush administration.
as long as he's president we must live in fear of the oaf

hopefully NATO ca restore a suitable order, i hear there are speculations regarding an predicted attack from/on Iran, not good news for any1 living in the middle eastern areas.
o well...if bush decides to nick russian oil reserves, we still have some defences(doubtful)..



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 12:59 PM
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Ummm, for those of you who have no clue as to "why" no one has responded to this thread, especially those that know better.....try its because this very subject has been discussed and discussed and rediscussed soooooooo many times on sooooooooo many topics connected to this and the like, that it becomes mundane to continue to answer and respond to the very same thing....over and over and over and over.....


Your "observations" are partially correct and partially in error. You make assertions to "facts" that are not "facts" and if they are "facts", they are quite certainly disputable.

Assumtions are killer.....facts are based on source and source has an agenda....an agenda is biased and only observes "facts" from one side.....the side that agrees most or allows you to present a "door shut" argument or topic or presentation.....and that is simply a "fact."

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 27-10-2003 by Seekerof]



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 01:18 PM
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Very interesting read



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 01:29 PM
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Original Posters "assumptions" are based on more research than most media propaganda being published these days.



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 01:40 PM
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Perhaps so....and probably true.....but,
Assumptions are not entirely factual, nor are "facts" entirely "fact."
Each "fact" presented can be argued and countered with "fact."
In this case....whose "facts" are correct? Whose side is right and whose side is wrong? Who is mis-interpreting data biasly and who is not, and vice versa.
It amounts to an opinion, well presented and written.

Again, a simple ATS search will reveal many variable "facts" concerning the original posters topic and comments.....that is all I wished to say and point out.

A true historian/reporter/researcher/etc. looks at "ALL" information, whether biased or unbiased to obtain the real "facts" concerning issues, etc. Looking at one side or for only one 'side' of an issue, etc., is not looking for the truth....it is merely confirming your own beliefs, assumptions, feelings, assertions, etc.



regards
seekerof


[Edited on 27-10-2003 by Seekerof]



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 02:00 PM
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Very nice post, I enjoyed reading it. Nice job on gathering info.



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 04:23 PM
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not against iran, they will soon have nuclear weaponary.



posted on Oct, 27 2003 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by AchesonGroup


AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have already been attacked by the Israeli-American alliance. Afghanistan was attacked for a huge Caspian Sea oil pipeline project. Iraq was attacked for its vast oil reserves. Both were attacked for the security of Israel's illegal occupation. Who might be next?



you liberals you dont know anything. all you know is that bush cheated and Israel is a terror sponsor state. did clinton put this in your head while have sex with monica and telling the people its a lie?
Israel is NOT a terror state but it DEFENDS its self from other TERROR ARABIC states. who is the one killing innocent for revenge?
also bush DIDNT cheat! he is also the one fighting the terrorists so the dont attack ammerica again. if we would have gore as the president then we really would get punked. gore would beg on his knees with tears for the terrorists not to attack again.
Israel also did NOT occupy the land illegally but it was GIVEN to them. It is the ARABS that try to take the land from Israel.



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 06:04 AM
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you are damn right in what you say.

The US Israeli led militia will not stop this war. When there is no enemy to fight, you must manufacture one.

I'm sure the talking heads in the white house and Mossad jumped for joy at the birth of Usama Bin Laden.



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by AchesonGroup


AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have already been attacked by the Israeli-American alliance. Afghanistan was attacked for a huge Caspian Sea oil pipeline project. Iraq was attacked for its vast oil reserves. Both were attacked for the security of Israel's illegal occupation. Who might be next?



you liberals you dont know anything. all you know is that bush cheated and Israel is a terror sponsor state. did clinton put this in your head while have sex with monica and telling the people its a lie?
Israel is NOT a terror state but it DEFENDS its self from other TERROR ARABIC states. who is the one killing innocent for revenge?
also bush DIDNT cheat! he is also the one fighting the terrorists so the dont attack ammerica again. if we would have gore as the president then we really would get punked. gore would beg on his knees with tears for the terrorists not to attack again.
Israel also did NOT occupy the land illegally but it was GIVEN to them. It is the ARABS that try to take the land from Israel.

what are you talking about?
"the land was given to them" wasn't it palestinian property in the first place...no wait, the U.S can give anything away since they own the world right??
backed up by religion they "were biblically correct"therefore: why dont we see the arabs bombarding the world since the apocalypse is at the end of ramadan? or have i said too much

listen to your words....do you forget how israel nearly had egypt NUKED by america(4minutes later and egypt would have been quarantined as a nuclear disposal area).
did u pick this argument for argumet's sake? or do you actually believe israel's "defending" itself because it's provoked by the arabic community...

please...israel is america's 52nd state, what israel sez, america does, arabs live in fear of them, that would probably be why you only see suicide attempts from specific guerilla units(the hezbollahlegions and basic attack ground to ground units) attacking israel's border....meaning, you dont see any country actually fighting israel, for obvious reasons.

my good ruski friend, i hope you have some backup to your argument, i want to hear what a brother has to say regarding this issue...for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic ( A GOOD THING)..it seems plausible that some1 has actually defended israel(a first).


[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Cyrus]



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 12:04 PM
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There is a way to end the invasions.

Openly accept the reality that is Israel and deal with it.

Problem solved.



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 07:33 PM
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The offer was made by the Arab League to recognize Israel. They don't want to be recognized by Arab states. To even suggest that they care one bit about who recognizes them is a transparent attempt to switch the blame from their policies onto their neighbors. Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and the Martyrs Brigade aren't going to suddenly disband because Egypt recognizes Israel--which they have already done--this conflict is about Palestine and Israel not the Arab world and Israel.


back to the topic:

Recently our government has be refering to the Al-Qaeda terrorist inside of Iraq as simply foreign fighters. This is being done to remove the blame from Al-Qaeda onto Syria and Iran. This is dangerous. If we are going to fight terrorist we need to be as clear as possible about who is the terrorist and which networks are in play.

It's going to be very hard to invade Iran because they have made a friend of the EU, but there are some factions in our government that are still trying to make the case. Syria is said to be gearing up for war with Israel, and if Israel takes the fight to Hezballah in Lebanon there is going to be hell on earth over there. Surely Syria will help Hezballah and the Lebaneese because they are close allies with a common enemy. If America joins Israel this could be explosive, and put us in a very bad position with our moderate Arab allies. The war on terror will be even harder to fight without their help, then you have the oil equation. We will try and convince Israel to slow their roll to war with their neighbors...don't know if it will work but sanctions are going to be the threat the Bushies will try to use to reign them in.

In other words my opinion is, the original post is a bunch of BS, we care more about our interest than we do Israel at the end of the day its our interest that takes precident and fuels our policy decisions. We don't war for anything other than our own dominance.



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 07:43 PM
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Naw, Aches, it has to be that grand conspiracy, it couldn't be that those two countries have been sponsoring terror against us and Israel for years, now, could it?
Syria should have been crushed like the bug it is a long time ago, and as far as Iran, as much as I'd like to see the young people rise up and yank the beards off of their nutbags leaders, do we really have that kind of time?

Still selling crazy, I see, but trust me, we are so stocked up here!



posted on Oct, 28 2003 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Cyrus

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by AchesonGroup


AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have already been attacked by the Israeli-American alliance. Afghanistan was attacked for a huge Caspian Sea oil pipeline project. Iraq was attacked for its vast oil reserves. Both were attacked for the security of Israel's illegal occupation. Who might be next?



you liberals you dont know anything. all you know is that bush cheated and Israel is a terror sponsor state. did clinton put this in your head while have sex with monica and telling the people its a lie?
Israel is NOT a terror state but it DEFENDS its self from other TERROR ARABIC states. who is the one killing innocent for revenge?
also bush DIDNT cheat! he is also the one fighting the terrorists so the dont attack ammerica again. if we would have gore as the president then we really would get punked. gore would beg on his knees with tears for the terrorists not to attack again.
Israel also did NOT occupy the land illegally but it was GIVEN to them. It is the ARABS that try to take the land from Israel.

what are you talking about?
"the land was given to them" wasn't it palestinian property in the first place...no wait, the U.S can give anything away since they own the world right??
backed up by religion they "were biblically correct"therefore: why dont we see the arabs bombarding the world since the apocalypse is at the end of ramadan? or have i said too much

listen to your words....do you forget how israel nearly had egypt NUKED by america(4minutes later and egypt would have been quarantined as a nuclear disposal area).
did u pick this argument for argumet's sake? or do you actually believe israel's "defending" itself because it's provoked by the arabic community...

please...israel is america's 52nd state, what israel sez, america does, arabs live in fear of them, that would probably be why you only see suicide attempts from specific guerilla units(the hezbollahlegions and basic attack ground to ground units) attacking israel's border....meaning, you dont see any country actually fighting israel, for obvious reasons.

my good ruski friend, i hope you have some backup to your argument, i want to hear what a brother has to say regarding this issue...for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic ( A GOOD THING)..it seems plausible that some1 has actually defended israel(a first).


[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Cyrus]




No...."my good friend" Cyrus.....I hope "you have some backup to your argument.......for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic.........."



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Seekerof]



posted on Oct, 29 2003 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Cyrus

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by AchesonGroup


AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have already been attacked by the Israeli-American alliance. Afghanistan was attacked for a huge Caspian Sea oil pipeline project. Iraq was attacked for its vast oil reserves. Both were attacked for the security of Israel's illegal occupation. Who might be next?



you liberals you dont know anything. all you know is that bush cheated and Israel is a terror sponsor state. did clinton put this in your head while have sex with monica and telling the people its a lie?
Israel is NOT a terror state but it DEFENDS its self from other TERROR ARABIC states. who is the one killing innocent for revenge?
also bush DIDNT cheat! he is also the one fighting the terrorists so the dont attack ammerica again. if we would have gore as the president then we really would get punked. gore would beg on his knees with tears for the terrorists not to attack again.
Israel also did NOT occupy the land illegally but it was GIVEN to them. It is the ARABS that try to take the land from Israel.

what are you talking about?
"the land was given to them" wasn't it palestinian property in the first place...no wait, the U.S can give anything away since they own the world right??
backed up by religion they "were biblically correct"therefore: why dont we see the arabs bombarding the world since the apocalypse is at the end of ramadan? or have i said too much

listen to your words....do you forget how israel nearly had egypt NUKED by america(4minutes later and egypt would have been quarantined as a nuclear disposal area).
did u pick this argument for argumet's sake? or do you actually believe israel's "defending" itself because it's provoked by the arabic community...

please...israel is america's 52nd state, what israel sez, america does, arabs live in fear of them, that would probably be why you only see suicide attempts from specific guerilla units(the hezbollahlegions and basic attack ground to ground units) attacking israel's border....meaning, you dont see any country actually fighting israel, for obvious reasons.

my good ruski friend, i hope you have some backup to your argument, i want to hear what a brother has to say regarding this issue...for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic ( A GOOD THING)..it seems plausible that some1 has actually defended israel(a first).


[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Cyrus]



Arabs hate Jews and thats way they attack Israel. And Israel was not given to jews by America. Statehood for Israel arose from the British mandated territory of Palestine, 19221947. Its was British who own the property and they gave it to the Jews.
statehood of Israel came from British

Yes I think Israel is DEFENING its self. Look at the arabs do they defend or do they attack? They attack with suicide bombs. Israel on the other hand is defening its self from the bombing and is trying to root out the terrorists so there could be peace in their land.


What was the Arab reaction to the announcement of the creation of the state of Israel?

"The armies of the Arab states entered the war immediately after the State of Israel was founded in May. Fighting continued, almost all of it within the territory assigned to the Palestinian state...About 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled in the 1948 conflict." Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
Statehood and Expulsion 1948

If America and other countries wouldn't help Israel then the rest of 6 million Jews would be massacred by the arabs.

It is you my brother that is mislead.






[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Russian]



posted on Oct, 29 2003 @ 05:17 AM
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No...."my good friend" Cyrus.....I hope "you have some backup to your argument.......for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic.........."



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Seekerof]
(btw....my fault, the british giving the land to israel? i meant to put that in.....a costly error to my argument.)
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supposing i did have misled views...what proof would u like me to give out after the near-to-nuclear incident with egypt? i suppose israel, having attacked a US boat under the false pretence that they'd suspected them to be the enemy made things worse by interfering with the boat's communications, therefore rendering them powerless to divert U.S attacks on cairo.
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but im going to go a step higher and argue at a different level, play by ur rulz

*generously shrugs off current argument*


facts are facts, unprecedented and outdated by newer ones, i just feel it more ethical to call in essecne these equeious results forward.
israel was deliberately planted smack-down in the middle of the middle east, it couldn't have gotten any better...
somehow the british weren't accused regarding this little matter of placement back in 48', but hey...time heals everything.
you've driven me up the wall with frustration by your replies, a sincere disappointment in this lack of understanding you posess..ignorance is bliss and it's also what drives you seakerof.
hopefully u can maintain a dispute with your current state of blindness, if i didnt know any better i'd say you've both been brainwashed.
j/k

1:the Israeli forces intentionally provoked violence and confrontations with peaceful Palestinians protesters.
what did that lead to? more casualties.
2:it's amazing how much force they apply onto even the simplest matters, a helicopter gunship fires rockets after an israeli soldier is "nearly" taken hostage(he had his gun thrown off him+got slapped around a bit...yet he(unlike the 5 palestinian deaths) left the scene unharmed).
3:rubber coated bullets and tear gas are a habit....that just shows the neighbour's hospitality.
4:tell me, when American Congressmen and Senators visiting israel on several occasions received "charitable contributions"(yeah right...
) from surprise,surprise
THE Israeli treasury how could they deny signing any biased letters more or less pointing at the violence on the Palestinian's side of things.(i find that a bit strange....the senators never visited the gaza strip, let alone any camps)
5:and u deny the U.S congress being biased?? sh!t....so much for republicans, sadly, the U.S. Congress is also Israeli-occupied territory

6: my guess is....figures are ur main interest, correct?


while black september was operating(im talking PLO)(i dunno if i got the translation right) 10,000-25000 were massacred, and i suppose israel was defending itself then ai?
what about the incident with the 9 olympicus team members? all being killed btw due to israel's ever so efficient defense system.
they're war mongers, plain and simple.

im getting a little tired of the gory pix on these sites....i wont go as far as uploading them, that's morally unethical, to put it lightly.
now would be a good time to rephrase ur argument, but wait, b4 im out, i have reason to believe seekerof that you're sympathetic with the israelis because that somehow reflects on the american troops currently steadfast in iraq? i have a feeling those troops will be busy again, what with rising tension reported against iran/syria...this might be a lot sooner than u think



[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Cyrus]



posted on Oct, 29 2003 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Cyrus
No...."my good friend" Cyrus.....I hope "you have some backup to your argument.......for some reason you have some very strange misled views regarding this topic.........."



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Seekerof]

(btw....my fault, the british giving the land to israel? i meant to put that in.....a costly error to my argument.)
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supposing i did have misled views...what proof would u like me to give out after the near-to-nuclear incident with egypt? i suppose israel, having attacked a US boat under the false pretence that they'd suspected them to be the enemy made things worse by interfering with the boat's communications, therefore rendering them powerless to divert U.S attacks on cairo.
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but im going to go a step higher and argue at a different level, play by ur rulz

*generously shrugs off current argument*


facts are facts, unprecedented and outdated by newer ones, i just feel it more ethical to call in essecne these equeious results forward.
israel was deliberately planted smack-down in the middle of the middle east, it couldn't have gotten any better...
somehow the british weren't accused regarding this little matter of placement back in 48', but hey...time heals everything.
you've driven me up the wall with frustration by your replies, a sincere disappointment in this lack of understanding you posess..ignorance is bliss and it's also what drives you seakerof.
hopefully u can maintain a dispute with your current state of blindness, if i didnt know any better i'd say you've both been brainwashed.
j/k

1:the Israeli forces intentionally provoked violence and confrontations with peaceful Palestinians protesters.
what did that lead to? more casualties.
2:it's amazing how much force they apply onto even the simplest matters, a helicopter gunship fires rockets after an israeli soldier is "nearly" taken hostage(he had his gun thrown off him+got slapped around a bit...yet he(unlike the 5 palestinian deaths) left the scene unharmed).
3:rubber coated bullets and tear gas are a habit....that just shows the neighbour's hospitality.
4:tell me, when American Congressmen and Senators visiting israel on several occasions received "charitable contributions"(yeah right...
) from surprise,surprise
THE Israeli treasury how could they deny signing any biased letters more or less pointing at the violence on the Palestinian's side of things.(i find that a bit strange....the senators never visited the gaza strip, let alone any camps)
5:and u deny the U.S congress being biased?? sh!t....so much for republicans, sadly, the U.S. Congress is also Israeli-occupied territory

6: my guess is....figures are ur main interest, correct?


while black september was operating(im talking PLO)(i dunno if i got the translation right) 10,000-25000 were massacred, and i suppose israel was defending itself then ai?
what about the incident with the 9 olympicus team members? all being killed btw due to israel's ever so efficient defense system.
they're war mongers, plain and simple.

im getting a little tired of the gory pix on these sites....i wont go as far as uploading them, that's morally unethical, to put it lightly.
now would be a good time to rephrase ur argument, but wait, b4 im out, i have reason to believe seekerof that you're sympathetic with the israelis because that somehow reflects on the american troops currently steadfast in iraq? i have a feeling those troops will be busy again, what with rising tension reported against iran/syria...this might be a lot sooner than u think



[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Cyrus] 1. Israel defense them selfs and if there is a protest then there might be suicide bombers there too! I also dont beleive there is a peaceful protest against Israel! Same as a peaceful protest against war of terror! Protests arent peaceful!

2.Israel uses rockets to kill terrorist and NOT innocent people! Israel also use rockets mostly after suicide bombs!

3.If I where on Israels place I would forget about rubber bullets and tear gas! If the enemy of Israel dont use rubber bullets and tear gas then why should Israel? They should use the same c-4 as the terrorists! And they should start killing innocent too!

4.You say senators get money for not signing any biased letters which make the Israel the terrorists? Why should they sign letters that make Israel the terrorists if they are not?!

5.You say congress is Israel property. Well tell me how many Isreal personal are in congress!


6.You say Israel massacred. Well count up all the Israels dead in suicide bombs and you will get a massacre too!


Cyrus you are just Israel hater! So stop your lies about Israel! Get your facts straight. But first get your HEAD straight!




[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Russian]





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