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The information I have says Mazzini not only was Illuminati but was the head of it:
 After Weishaupt died on November 18, 1830, at the age of 82, Giuseppe Mazzini
(1805-72), an Italian patriot, and revolutionary leader, was appointed head of the Illuminati in 1834. It was believed that Weishaupt
rejoined the Catholic Church with a deathbed repentance.
And then goes ahead with more detailes:
While attending Genoa University, Mazzini became a 33rd degree Mason, and joined a secret organization known as the Carbonari
(their stated goal in 1818: “Our final aim is that of Voltaire and of the French Revolution– the complete annihilation of
Catholicism, and ultimately all Christianity.”), where he became committed to the cause of Italian unity. In 1831, he was exiled to France,
where he founded the ‘Young Societies’ movement, which included Giovane Italia (Young Italy), Young England, etc. This group united those
who wanted to achieve unification through force. Mazzini moved to England in 1837, then returned to Italy in 1848 to lead the revolution
against the Austrians. Again he was exiled. In the 1850’s, he led more revolutionary activities, and through his actions, Italy became united
in 1861, as a single kingdom, rather than the republic envisioned by Mazzini.
Mazzini, who became known as the ‘Evil Genius of Italy,’ tried to carry on the activities of the Illuminati through the Alta
Vendita Lodge, the highest lodge of the Carbonari.
From 1814-48, the group known as the Haute Vente Romaine led the activities of most of Europe’s secret societies. In April, 1836,
the head of the Haute Vente, whose pseudonym was ‘Nubius,’ wrote to ‘Beppo’: “Mazzini behaves too much like a
conspirator of melodrama to suit the obscure role we resign ourselves to play until our triumph. Mazzini likes to talk about a great many
things, about himself above all. He never ceases writing that he is overthrowing thrones and altars, that he fertilizes the peoples,
that he is the prophet of humanitarianism...”
In 1860, Mazzini had formed an organization called the ‘Oblonica,’ a name derived from the Latin ‘obelus,’ which means: “I beckon with
a spit (dagger).” Within this group, he established an inner circle called the Mafia.
Now about the letter that planed 3 WW is said that is a hoax. Here a excerpt from that:
According to William Guy Carr, a retired Canadian Naval Commander, in his book Pawns in the Game (he also wrote Red Fog Over America),
he said that for a short time this letter had been on display in the British Museum Library in London, where he wrote a copy of it. The British
Museum has said that they never had such a letter in their collection. It was later discovered that Carr got the information from a book
called The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled by Jose Maria Caro y Rodriguez, the Archbishop of Santiago, and the Cardinal of Chile. Some
researchers believe the second letter to be fraudulent, and had been written much later than the first part, since the word ‘Fascism’ was not
used until 1921, and the Arab/Jewish problem did not exist until after the 1917
Balfour Declaration. But then again, if they indeed planned and initiated these events, the document could very well be authentic.
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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 08:32 AM by Masonic Light
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 Originally posted by Telos
The information I have says Mazzini not only was Illuminati but was the head of it:
After Weishaupt died on November 18, 1830, at the age of 82, Giuseppe Mazzini
(1805-72), an Italian patriot, and revolutionary leader, was appointed head of the Illuminati in 1834. It was believed that Weishaupt
rejoined the Catholic Church with a deathbed repentance. 
I'm not sure which sources you used, but I am aware that many conspiracy websites make those claims. I just wanted to point out that such claims are
not backed up by historical evidence.
The Illuminati was primarily limited to Bavaria, and had ceased to exist by the time Mazzini was born. The Carbonari, an Italian secret society
similar to the Illuminati, did attract Mazzini, however.
Also, it is true that Weishaupt reconciled to the Church, but this was prior to his deathbed, and long after he disbanded the Illuminati. He even
built a parish in 1787.
And then goes ahead with more detailes:
While attending Genoa University, Mazzini became a 33rd degree Mason, and joined a secret organization known as the Carbonari
(their stated goal in 1818: “Our final aim is that of Voltaire and of the French Revolution– the complete annihilation of
Catholicism, and ultimately all Christianity.”), where he became committed to the cause of Italian unity.
It is true that Mazzini became a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, but this was long after his days at Genoa University. Also, the above quote was not
the Carnoari's stated goals. The Carbonari opposed the political power of the Vatican, and wanted to put it in the hands of the people, where it
belonged. This is evidenced by the actions of Garibaldi, known as the "George Washington of Italy", who was a disciple of Mazzini's, was also a
Carbonari and Mason, and who marched on the Papal States. Garibaldi could easily have arrested the pope and brought down the Church, but he didn't.
He let the Church keep Vatican City, and gave the rest of the papal lands back to the peasants.
It is true that Voltaire was highly respected by Mazzini, and that Mazzini sought Italian unity.
Mazzini, who became known as the ‘Evil Genius of Italy,’ tried to carry on the activities of the Illuminati through the Alta
Vendita Lodge, the highest lodge of the Carbonari.
Mazzini has never been known as the "Evil Genius of Italy". In Italy, Mazzini is viewed the same way we here in the USA view Thomas Jefferson and
Benjamin Franklin.
In 1860, Mazzini had formed an organization called the ‘Oblonica,’ a name derived from the Latin ‘obelus,’ which means: “I
beckon with a spit (dagger).” Within this group, he established an inner circle called the Mafia.
Mazzini did not found the Mafia, nor was he ever a mafioso. The Mafia was founded in Sicily during the reign of the Medicis, long before Mazzini was
born.
Now about the letter that planed 3 WW is said that is a hoax. Here a excerpt from that:
According to William Guy Carr, a retired Canadian Naval Commander, in his book Pawns in the Game (he also wrote Red Fog Over America),
he said that for a short time this letter had been on display in the British Museum Library in London, where he wrote a copy of it. The British
Museum has said that they never had such a letter in their collection. It was later discovered that Carr got the information from a book
called The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled by Jose Maria Caro y Rodriguez, the Archbishop of Santiago, and the Cardinal of Chile. Some
researchers believe the second letter to be fraudulent, and had been written much later than the first part, since the word ‘Fascism’ was not
used until 1921, and the Arab/Jewish problem did not exist until after the 1917
Balfour Declaration. But then again, if they indeed planned and initiated these events, the document could very well be
authentic.
As this mentions, simply put, the letter does not exist. The anti-Masonic website "Freemasonry Watch" was claiming that the original letter was in
the British Museum. The British Museum, however, denies its existence. The fact that the letters mention Fascism and other 20th century events is
proof positive of their forgery.
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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 09:05 AM by Telos
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Mazzini did not found the Mafia, nor was he ever a mafioso. The Mafia was founded in Sicily during the reign of the Medicis, long before Mazzini was
born.
Check this out (I used to live in Italy for more then 5 years and I know how italians consider Mazzini) Anyway take alook to this:
About 1,000 AD, after the Normans had driven the Arabs out of Sicily, they established a feudal system. Overseers to
guard each feudi were chosen from known criminals. Skirmishes between the Barons were fought by these criminals. Although feudal
privileges were abolished in 1812, these overseers retained control of the land through leasing arrangements. It was this band of criminals
that Mazzini gave the name
‘Mafia’, which was an acronym for Mazzini, Autorizza, Furti, Incendi, and Avvelengmenti. Known as the Mafiosi, they were authorized
by Mazzini to commit thefts, arson and murder. It was this organization that came to America during the
1890’s with the beginning of Italian immigration.
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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 09:54 AM by Masonic Light
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Originally posted by Telos
Check this out (I used to live in Italy for more then 5 years and I know how italians consider Mazzini)
Then you aware the "evil genius" statement is fraudulent?
Anyway take alook to this:
About 1,000 AD, after the Normans had driven the Arabs out of Sicily, they established a feudal system. Overseers to
guard each feudi were chosen from known criminals. Skirmishes between the Barons were fought by these criminals. Although feudal
privileges were abolished in 1812, these overseers retained control of the land through leasing arrangements. It was this band of criminals
that Mazzini gave the name
‘Mafia’, which was an acronym for Mazzini, Autorizza, Furti, Incendi, and Avvelengmenti. Known as the Mafiosi, they were authorized
by Mazzini to commit thefts, arson and murder. It was this organization that came to America during the
1890’s with the beginning of Italian immigration.
Mazzini didn't give anyone the name "Mafia", nor is the word an acronym. It was in use far before Mazzini's birth.
The word 'Mafia' is the noun form of old Sicilian adjective "mafiusu" which has its roots in Arabic. Roughly translated it means
"beautiful", but can also be translated as "cool". The Arabic term "mafia" means "place of safety; shelter".
en.wikipedia.org...
Also, of course, neither this particular encyclopedia article, nor any other history book, ever makes any mention of Mazzini as having any connection
to the Mafia whatsoever.
An interesting article on Mazzini from the University of Ohio History Department:
www.ohiou.edu...
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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 03:00 PM by Telos
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No! Nobody said that he was mason though. I don't think you can learn much from history books in school. You learn what they want you to learn so coz
nobody ever mentioned that Mazzini was a mason, this doesn't mean it wasn't true, right? 
Mazzini didn't give anyone the name "Mafia", nor is the word an acronym. It was in use far before Mazzini's birth.
The word 'Mafia' is the noun form of old Sicilian adjective "mafiusu" which has its roots in Arabic. Roughly translated it means
"beautiful", but can also be translated as "cool". The Arabic term "mafia" means "place of safety; shelter".
en.wikipedia.org...
Also, of course, neither this particular encyclopedia article, nor any other history book, ever makes any mention of Mazzini as having any connection
to the Mafia whatsoever.
Well I also heard another version about Mafia's origine that was from Japan  I have a question anyway, how accurate is wikpedia? Few times I found
it not correct in the informations that provides... Just a thought
The source where I quoted the above excertps are taken from a book, Final Warning - A History of New World Order. I oppened a thread here and
in my third post there is a link where you can download the book. (If u want)
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 03:39 PM by Masonic Light
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Mazzini, along with most other members of the Carbonari, was a Mason. That's no big secret. School history books generally don't mention that George
Washington and Benjamin Franklin were Masons either.
But the point I was trying to make is that Mazzini is not considered "evil" by the Italians or by anyone else, except possibly for a few
cranks we might meet on the Internet. Mazzini was a founding father of Italy, and is highly regarded for his integrity.
Well I also heard another version about Mafia's origine that was from Japan I have a question anyway, how accurate is wikpedia? Few times I
found it not correct in the informations that provides... Just a thought
In this case, Wikipedia is accurate. A study of Italy's history during the Renaissance shows the beginning of the mafia. As for the Japanese, they do
have criminal gangs, but these are not the same organization as the Mafia, which admits only Sicilians.
The source where I quoted the above excertps are taken from a book, Final Warning - A History of New World Order. I oppened a thread
here and in my third post there is a link where you can download the book. (If u want)
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thanks, I'll take a look.
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reply posted on 8-7-2006 @ 12:51 PM by Amon_Ra
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Originally posted by CaptainIraq
So here we are sitting here discussing conspiracies. We all know that the illuminati have a strong grasp on our world, and seek to control it. We
sit here, discussing how and when the world will end.
So if we're so worried, then why don't we try to think about ways to stop this from ever happening, so we don't have to sit here all day discussing
our demise. Basically, we need to actually do something.
The task may seem great, but, as many have said, nothing is impossible.
I agree, all is possible! 
How can we stop "the game"?
First to Mature, to stop beliving in authority and power, to expose them and to inform other people arround the planet, uniteing, organizeing and
sharing informations, to stop believing in fear and terrorism,...
We are giving them "the power" to lead! Think about that, and we can take the power back!
Stop believing in them, believe in yourself! These are the last years of illuminati! We are awakening from a long dream, the truth is spreding all
over the place, and they are trying so hard to corrupt the truth! The truth is natural, the lie is forced. The 2000 years of polarities are
passing away. Is the end of the dark age, now is the new beginnig...They fear the individuality!
Now is our time, you can feel that!
If they need to spread fear, that means, they are at the borderline. 
We are changeing the world and shaping reality!
NASA, CIA, NSA, DIA....these agencies are the blackhole for National funds! They are searching for pretexts(excuses) to get taxpayers funds. There is
no threat! (just a lot of excuses!) 
Don't aspect help, and you will be helped!
The power is inside, not outside!
We are learning and The Earth is just a classroom.
Fear is just an illusion.
No Believers, no gods? 
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reply posted on 8-7-2006 @ 01:25 PM by Amon_Ra
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What if there were no slaves? Then there would be no need for leaders!
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reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 11:57 AM by ministeroftruelies
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excellent now we can finally start to learn that the shackles of oppression that most people never knew was there can be thrown off pick up a
newspaper anywhere in the world to day to understand what i mean the illuminati and other outside influences may have been powerfull years ago but to
day they are shells and no longer as powerfull as they once were a more prominant group will emerge soon and start to take control history will repeat
itself and while the illuminati cower in the shadows an invisible hand will squeeze the life out of our world claiming groups that belive in freedom
and peace terroists and oppresing our own freedom how long before this website is shut down and most of us are locked away with claims of inciting
riots and criminal speaking ringing in our ears before it is asked there is no way to stop it but to keep talking and keep pressing for the truth on
websites such as this so that one day when it does happen we can orginize ourselves to stop it
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reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 05:32 PM by AscendedMaster
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The Illuminati cant number more than 10,000. There are 6 billion of us!! They know if we ever catch on to them, which we are, its all over.
What we need is a revolution. I know they programmed people to think anyone who talks revolution is a dangerous, but thats what we need. Its the only
way I find. They own the courts and the police. We have to take to the streets, and simply force our way into government offices, force our way into
the white house, force our way into the halls of power and retake it. Arrest all those who have done us wrong. We really need this, its the only way
we will have our freedom back.
Just imagine the kind of world wed live in if all the wealth the banks hourde in their treasuries was distrubed evenly among the people? Wed all be
millionaires! Easily! Just imagine the kind of world we live in if fear, control, terror, corruption, war, poverty, crime, disease did not exist?
Thats the world we are heading for.
2012 is almost here. The Illuminati know that once 2008 gets here, theres no turning back, and nothing can stop the ascension of mankind. They are
DESPERATLY trying to instigate world war 3 in order to create armeggedon before its too late, and their control is over. Yes, they would rather
destroy this planet and all life on it, rather than give up control over it.
But, luckily for us, Nothing can stop Ascension. The energies are here to stay. Can yo u feel them? I know I can!!
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reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 06:01 PM by Cinosamitna
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The reality as it stands now:
The tide has already turned and their dream of NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA is crumbling. Chavaz in the south has destroyed their attempts and is uniting the
nations against globalism. Iraq has been a disaster. Israel is hated in the world, their troop moral lower than ever, the citizens very upset and
they still failed to do what they were supposed to which was destroy Hizbolla and secure the buffer zone for the invasion into Syria and Iran. The
European union is falling apart. The Puerto Rico, and WestIndian grid had collapsed and thus the people are angry with free-trade. The USA will
impose tarriffs by next year and once they start, all the companies will be forced to come back into America. Several nations are already starting to
impose tarriffs and once one large nation starts with tarriffs, all will be forced to follow in line. Without Freetrade, the Globalists have no
power. The North American union plan has now been exposed and the people are 99% opposed to it. The IM domain issues which the super highway and
united nations is imposing on farmers, small business and private land owners is starting to push the average Joe over the edge. The CFR is terrified
they were discovered and are prentending that they were only having an idea of a Super-Highway - but never hoping to actually implement it.
The Economy will collapse slowely from Recession into a Depression. The Recession will begin in America in approx 2 weeks (due to inversion of the 2
year note being higher than the 10 year note, for more than 3 consecutive months). As the FED continues to pump out more money and credit and as the
lifestyle of Americans becomes more dreadful, inflation continues to rise and many supporters will natually arise against the neo-cons. Gold and
Silver will soon sky rocket! And those carriers of Gold and Silver stocks and coins tend to include a very aware middle class and most of these
people are what the neo-cons fear the most; anti-globalists who will not dosarm their firearms and also do well during the tough times ahead. As
America's leaders become more and more brazen, the more mistakes they are going to make. Already they lose track of their lies. The coming
elections in November will have the Neo-cons very concerned as they shall lose most incumbants (both REP and DEMO) and the majority who should be
voted in are anti-globalists.
No matter how crazy events become, remember this: The tide has already turned and world goverment is failing on all fronts. They will fail like they
failed in the 13'th century and they know they have little time left.
Just continue speaking the truth for that is what they fear. They know their dream of one-world goverment is doomed. They try now deperately to hang
on with what power they still have and are becoming much more aggressive and frankly, it's a good thing that that lunatic in the white house is so
dumb. If he were any more charismatic, it would only make it worse for us.
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reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 06:39 PM by ministeroftruelies
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not so the un will create a task force dedicated to being the worlds policemen in the westen civilizations poverty and huger will be stricken from
the records and never shown on t.v irag and the entire middle east will never again feature in the news and africa will only get a mention if by some
accident or for a cover story part of it has just been destroyed hong kong will be left to the triads and a powerfull new force created by splinter
groups from the illiminati will seize control brainwashing its citizens into thinking what they want them to think all forms of expression against
goverments will be destroyed that is what shall happen regardless of what we do when this does happen though we shall be ready to create an
underground group of resistors to stop this process
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reply posted on 27-8-2006 @ 07:54 PM by Sonata
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Originally posted by the_sentinal
there is nothing we can do to stop them it's out of our control, just face it we are the sheep to the slaughter...these people are un reachable,
untouchable, unapproachable, out of our grasp compleatly, when you have the kind of money they do, you have the ability to compleatly remove yourself
from the general public...
when you have the kind of power they do you should stay out of the public arena period! if for no other reason but to avoid the possiblity of
assasination or kidnapping by people who would try to change world event's
all we can do is sit back and wait to see who they decide to wipe out through planned population reduction or genocide...they will unknowingly
fullfill prophecies in the book of revalations by doing this isnt it ironic?? the book of realations says 2/3's of the worlds population will be
killed roughly the same number written on the georgia guidestones ten commandments of the new world order!! calling for a reduction of the worlds
population by the same amount........hummmm 
And also out of the realm of human comprehension and perception. You cant hurt what you cant see or preceive.
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reply posted on 28-8-2006 @ 04:45 PM by ministeroftruelies
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we can get them therye not invincible theyre not hidden therye vulnerable all we need is an underground we can hack the newspapers we can hack the
televisons we can wage a media war whos with me if we try we can stop them we can slow them down and maybe we could be destroyed but as a symbol we
could never be stopped
i would also like to apologise for a post i may have quoted and linked that caused a problem that was a dud i did not do it delibirately so once more
apologys for that
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reply posted on 28-8-2006 @ 05:04 PM by ArtemisFowl
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Originally posted by chibidai_rrr
Originally posted by truthmatters1111
Well..I know what you are saying, And I know all about the Illuminati, but unfortunately, there really is nothing you can do. Once Martial Law is
imposed, you can't stand up to the law. If you do, you'll be arrested. How much do you know about the New World order and martial law, etc??? I know
a lot too, I've been researching this stuff for many years. No joke.
BS!!! BS man.
remember the riots of LA, no one could stop them. remember the riots of France, no one could stop them.
the only people that can be controlled are the Chinese and North Koreans because they have lived that way for eternity and are used to it and don't
realize they can revolt.
illuminati/martial law can never control us because we'd die before were controlled. so will you. we can even control a country the size of
nevada(Iraq) with thousands of troops and hi-tech military hardware.
to be honest i'll wait until the illumanti starts the killing then i'll strike while they are sleeping i''l take food from them i'll take their
weapons and uniform and then i'll sneak in and steal their money and convince their troops to die for freedom not control by the words of colonel
william travis of the alamo " GIVE ME VICTORY OR GIVE ME DEATH"
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reply posted on 30-8-2006 @ 01:20 AM by Maban
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Intriguing, A Call To Arms Yet...
None of you have stopped to consider the futile reality of this auspicous notion. In this totalitarian world of corruption, you need not look further
then yourelves for the blame. You talk about mass killings, slavery, and a final world war. Yet you all do not face the face of reality. You are all
so ineptly bound to your complacent lives, sucpecting the day of judgement, the day of fire to come, and in it you will find your evil? My misnotioned
people, you seek the trap, yet in you veracious search for it, you fail to see you are allready being strangled by it's genius architecture. You seek
to defeat slavery, yet you need not look farther than the jobs you are all bound to, and the conformnities you have to bear. Conformities not only of
terror, but of society, the very strap of strangulation itself. You seek to stop massacre, yet Iraq, Afganistan where the appetizer, the main course
is nothing short of the Apocylispe Itself, your famed WWIII. You seek to undo the power and deeds of the Illuminati, you stumble in the dark to find
hope, but only find despair. You my people seek the persona, at which to point and proclaim, "He is the Illuminati", to proclaim that they are to
take over the world if nothing is done, and he would smile in the comforting knowledge, that these Evil deeds, are not future, but Past. The
Illuminati have poisoned the very blood of our world, It's People. Only one option remains, submit or be destroyed in the very fires, of which embers
we rekindled. That is the Only option... 
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reply posted on 30-8-2006 @ 08:08 AM by ministeroftruelies
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Wrong Wrong Wrong we can do 1 more thing and that is fight you talk about the jobs we are bound to quit them you talk about us wanting to find a
single persona and name them the illuminati when the illuminati are many you say it is our fault that this has happened and that we are trapped in a
ingenius trap but we are not the people that we see on the streets today that belive what they hear in the news and do not question what they are told
they are the trapped ones and that is where the illuminati get thier power from and if we show the people what they cant see then we are truely
winning the war against the illuminati and any other power
that try to lie and manipulate the media for thier own twisted means and you belive we make the notion of world war 3 a celebrity notion of sorts you
are wrong on that front as well iraq and afganestan are starters to a much bigger thing to test the ability of soldiers to fight against a force
un-polluted by propoganda if the war fails they will retreat and regroup learning from their mistakes but they will return all the time what can we do
is not to listen to what we are told not to belive what we are told to belive and not to swallow the lies we are force fed daily
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reply posted on 30-8-2006 @ 08:58 AM by rougevif
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get informed for the rebellion
ouf finally, i see hope around the fumes...i feel like luke skywalker let us get together to expose their evil deeds.
i am looking for any sources to expose what they are doing to us...
fight for the cause...expose them.
the war is just beginning....don t worry this is just another after the 154 involvement from the US in a armed conflict since WWII.
don t be fooled this is not patriotic to fight for to preserve iraq. their is no cohalition, US is just pushing their business partners to join.
just imagine how much Monies are involved. let us do a sitting in front of fort knox to require the audit...LMAO.
solutions welcome...HELP we are surrounded
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reply posted on 30-8-2006 @ 09:00 AM by Masonic Light
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Originally posted by rougevif
don t be fooled this is not patriotic to fight for to preserve iraq. their is no cohalition, US is just pushing their business partners to join.
Yeah, you guys in China are so much more morally superior.
Can anyone say Tianamen Square? Tibet?
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reply posted on 30-8-2006 @ 09:51 AM by Ersatz
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Originally posted by Telos
Check this out (I used to live in Italy for more then 5 years and I know how italians consider Mazzini) Anyway take alook to this:
About 1,000 AD, after the Normans had driven the Arabs out of Sicily, they established a feudal system. Overseers to
guard each feudi were chosen from known criminals. Skirmishes between the Barons were fought by these criminals. Although feudal
privileges were abolished in 1812, these overseers retained control of the land through leasing arrangements. It was this band of criminals
that Mazzini gave the name
‘Mafia’, which was an acronym for Mazzini, Autorizza, Furti, Incendi, and Avvelengmenti. Known as the Mafiosi, they were authorized
by Mazzini to commit thefts, arson and murder. It was this organization that came to America during the
1890’s with the beginning of Italian immigration.
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You must mean a different Mazzini, the famous Mazzini in Italy is the one Giuseppe born in 1805 and in 1830 became a member of the Carbonari Group,
toghether with people like Ruffini they plotted against the Monarchy to bring about a new Italian Republic.
My present apartment is opposite (15 metres away) a house where the Carbonari used to meet regularly. I can read the plaque over the door.
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