Originally posted by mojo4sale

originally posted by NygdanThere has not been any clear evidence of a pyramid being in this location, period.

Nor has there been any evidence to say it isnt,

No evidence has been presented that the monkey's flying out of my butt aren't actually pyramids either.

lets save our holier than thou attitudes for when a decent excavation has taken place

Rather, lets save the extraordinary claims of the existence of a gigantic pyramid for when a decent excavation has taken place.

I'm hoping it is something, whether ancient fort, pyramid or something else.

I hope its a huge pyramid also, and that the other sites in the area are part of a vast pyramid complex, it'd be incredible.
But I've gotten my 'hopes up' before, and lots of people have been mislead by wonderful claims before. One doesn't have to be cynical to simply state, 'there is no evidence here for a pyramid'. In fact, I'd be that everyone here who is saying 'that is not evidence of a pyramid' are just as hopeful as everyone else that it does end up being a pyramid. Beleive me, I'd love to have egg on my face when all is said and done here, it'd be wonderous for a pyramid complex like this to be revealed. But the evidence we've been presented with, so far, simply does not stand up to that idea.


Crev, do you happen to have a scan of a geological map of the area?

it's a hill for crying out loud!

maybe a small mountain, but that's it

where do you think egyptians go their inspiration for pyramids? natural structures!

gosh, the guy that first said that it was a pyramid also has a lot of things to say. like that mayan civilization is over 100,000 years old, and that the mayans were aliens.

don't take every claim at face value. the man has no proof, only speculation.

the scientific method goes: hypothesis
then testing or evidence gathering
THEN conclusion

the conclusion doe not come before you have any evidence or a hypothesis.

The video, if it really was made at the location, as it apparently was, shows a very sad picture of what is supposed to be the "archaeological diggings".

It looks more like an abandoned construction site that an archaeological site where is located the first known European pyramid.

And why did they cut the poor hill in all directions?

There are stairs in one way, stairs in another way, paths from side to side, etc.

There was no one looking like he/she was in charge of the place, the place looked abandoned to the people who want to go there do what they want.

The people go over the stone "slates" as if they were just normal blocks of rock (and that is all they appear to be).

This video appears to show a place where the interest of the ones that are digging is completely gone, the only "official" looking things were the plastic ribbons and the transparent plastic box for the "donations", I suppose. Unfortunately that is one of the many languages I do not speak.

Good golly! Why, those steps all look like they've been carved by an ancient race of superbeings! And the tacky gift kiosk, too! They all look like the work of a very advanced people. Very knowledgeable in the ways of getting bored tourists to hike up hills and spend their money. Very wise, these ancients.

Originally posted by Nygdan
No evidence has been presented that the monkey's flying out of my butt aren't actually pyramids either.

The ones flying out of my butt are dodecahedrons and they hurt like hell.

This is becoming collection of spam?

Keeping this thread from deteriorating into a collection of rude comments is the responsibility of every member who posts here.
One line comments which do not contribute are going to get undesirable responses from now on.
Whether it is, or is not, a pyramid is the topic of this interesting thread and I feel it is worthy of ATS attention.

I still say we rip all of the vegetation off of that puppy, and see what's underneath, instead of this "sampling" that they're doing. What kind of horse-hockey is that anyway? Tear it up already!!! Those few trees being gone aren't going to severely impact anything environmentally speaking anytime in the near future, so down with them.

I say it's just time to stop playing footsie with this idea, and get the answers we all are seeking.

TheBorg

I said many times already. There is a necropolis and apparently ruins of an old city from the middle age on the top of Visocica. So not everything can be or will be uncovered.

Also from the talk with people who are there, they are doing it systematically, and checking all the dirt/soil that they are removing for any kind of artifacts.

I believe that one of the reason for this speed (or should I call it slowness) is that project is completely based on volunteer help, and resources are limited. I believe someone mentioned that they did not have funds for Carbon14 dating of some artifact that they found nearby. (Apparently it is very expensive)

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bosnian sun pyramid, stone blocks on stone blocks as egyptian pyramid

Crvenkapica - thank you for posting the photos. It is excellent to have someone gathering first hand evidence for a thread, it really adds to it. However....

I have got to say that the more photos are posted the more convinced I am that the hill is just that - a perfectly natural hill that is vaguely pyramid shaped. Those photos above look exactly like natural rock formations, and no doubt if you removed the top soil from the surrounding hills you would find numerous other examples.

I am genuinely confused as to what evidence led anyone to believe it was a man-made pyramid in the first place.

Originally posted by TheBorg
I still say we rip all of the vegetation off of that puppy, and see what's underneath, instead of this "sampling" that they're doing.

Absolultey not. Thats not even how a recognized archaeolgoical site is treated. THis is a location that has a medeival castle and graveyards at the top of the hill, and a long history of occupation. That part of the world has neolithic sites, and Willendorf, I beleive, isn't too far from it. Under no conditions should the entire hilld be stripped down to the rock, which isn't even a doable option.

What kind of horse-hockey is that anyway? Tear it up already!!! Those few trees being gone aren't going to severely impact anything environmentally speaking anytime in the near future,
If you remove the trees, grass, plants, and soil, that hill will be eroded and destroyed in short order. The vegetation and soil stabilize each other and protect the rock underneath from weathering, rain wash, etc.

I say it's just time to stop playing footsie with this idea, and get the answers we all are seeking.

There's a reason why archaeologist has to go through years of training. This is why.

I believe someone mentioned that they did not have founds for Carbon14 dating of some artifact that they found nearby

If they can't get funding for somethign as simple as c14 dating, then they must really be in desperate need for funding. There's not a university anywhere around there that is interested in doing this? What type of object was it?

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
I am genuinely confused as to what evidence led anyone to believe it was a man-made pyramid in the first place.

Semir Osmanagic, an explorer and writer of couple of books on alternative history has spent a lot of time studying pyramids and other artifacts around the world. He is Bosnian who lives in the States from where he went on expedition on Balkan in search for stone spheres similar to the ones that can be found in South America.

Some of the spheres supposedly have been found near city Visoko, where locals told him of pyramid-shaped hills that surround the city. And from his previous knowledge about South American pyramids, Osmanagic concluded that hill has to be man made, as no where in world you find multiple hills, all of them pyramid shaped.

To get funds for archeological dig, he had to acknowledge his find, and that is where all started. Because on the top of the hill lays necropolis, site is well known for local archeologist, who felt ashamed by this claim (probably as they were unable to conclude the same before someone from USA showed them something that laid in the front of their noses) so they spent most of energy and time to prove him wrong, but from their offices and desks, instead by digging.

It is just recently that this site will get UNESCO specialists to confirm existence of findings and based on their report, whole location might become protected and financed by UNESCO.


@Nygdan - I'll try to find source for that information, and will write more about it.

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Originally posted by vietifulJoe
And from his previous knowledge about South American pyramids, Osmanagic concluded that hill has to be man made, as no where in world you find multiple hills, all of them pyramid shaped.

Well, I'm not aware of all the worlds topology, so it is difficult to argue against this. However the hill formations don't look particularly unique to me, and you would have to have a very vivid imagination to think that the other 2 hills he claims are "pyramids" are that. They might look a bit pyramid shaped if you looked at them on a dark night. In fog.

I also don't see how is apparent knowledge of South American pyramids was any use in making this claim. As if this hill does turn out to be man-made it bears absolutely no resemblance to any SA pyramids I have seen, which are much smaller and built from carefuly cut blocks placed on top of each other.

To get funds for archeological dig, he had to acknowledge his find, and that is where all started.

Fair enough, he has to create a bit of a stir to raise some money. Though when he starts making bold claims about it definitely been a pyramid and one built by a civilisation 100,000 years ago then many people will dismiss it as publicity seeking speculation. I really don't see what he is basing his claims on, and judging by the fact that he apparently can't afford a C14 test he hasn't been very successful in raising cash.

It is just recently that this site will get UNESCO specialists to confirm existence of findings and based on their report, whole location might become protected and financed by UNESCO.

Well we shall have to wait and see - what date have UNESCO said they are coming to visit?

FatherLukeDuke,
South American pyramids (not sure if all of them, but I’m sure that I saw at least some of them) where created differently from Egyptian pyramids. They were building pyramid at top of each other, making the final structure much bigger then what it was at the beginning. Egyptian’s on the other hand were created by placing multiple stones on the top of each other.

Essan,
You might be right, that this is just one of the common shapes nature makes. The word ‘soon’ is used for sending people to Bosnia. They said that experts will be there for three months, which moves their report as later as October. Neverless they might decide to stop early if there is nothing to report.