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Originally posted by Zanzibar
I'm no expert on the F-22, but I believe that it's ability to destroy it's target before being in sight of the enemy is being muddled up.
It's designed to take it's target out from a distance, without being seen by the enemy. If it was a dogfighting scenario, the skill of the pilots come into effect, no matter how much technology the aircraft is jammed with, a WW2 fighter plane could take out a Tornado in close combat. It all fulls into the hands of the pilots.
From miles away, there is basically no skill involved, get a lock, fire missile, run away.
Originally posted by waynos
The article is flawed before it even gets going, the F-22 is VLO, or very low observability, it has never been claimed to be invisible. Just another case of tabloid dyslexia for me, jim
Originally posted by Seekerof
Yes, of course, Zion Mainframe, detractors, such as yourself and others here, are simply, errr, ummm, jealous or envious?
There is nothing flying today that can match it, no matter how hard you or some here will boast and groan that there is.
The F-22 Raptor will be the US prime fighting air machine till the advent of drone airforces. Bet.
Originally posted by Zion Mainframe
With only 183 units
[edit on 4-19-2006 by Zion Mainframe]
The stellar attribute of the F-22 — its invisibility on enemy radar due to a computer-aided stealth design — is a “myth,” Sprey said. That is because in order to locate the enemy beyond visual range, the Raptor (like every other fighter) must turn on its own radar, immediately betraying its location.
Well none were shot down these were long wave radars no doubt.
Nor is the aircraft design effective simply because its advocates insist so, Sprey said. The 1980s-era F-117 stealth fighter was supposed to be invisible too, but post-Gulf War studies showed that the aircraft had been spotted by Iraq’s ground-based radars, he said.
And in the 77-day aerial campaign against Serbia in 1999, the adversary’s “1950s-era radar” managed to locate and shoot down two F-117s, Stevenson pointed out in his presentation. The situation is actually worse today, he said, because many nations have acquired advanced missiles that can home in on radar emissions.
Well the F/A 22 is a 365 24/7 all weather stealth fighter since it uses ram conservatively.
“The F-16 costs one-tenth of the F-22 and flies three times as often due to the issues of stealth, complexity and maintenance affecting the Raptor,” Sprey said. Sustainability and the number of aircraft available to fight on any given day, he added, are “vastly more important” than the quality of the F-22. “You have to have numerical superiority to win.”
Well this article seems to be filled with bull and the critics seem to know nothing. The F/A 22 is more maeuverable than any of america's other AC. Why? thrust vectoring,a sophisticated aero design and high thrust to weight ratios.
On the last two points, maneuverability and capability for a “quick kill,” the two analysts assert that the Raptor is inferior to the F-16 and several allied fighter designs in the crucible of “energy-maneuverability.”
“Some (experts) assert that in the next air war,” all of the radars will be off and the air war will merge to air combat maneuvering,” Stevenson observed.
It depends if you count R&D costs per plane and common sense the less you buy the unit cost goes up did they ever think of that.
Because the Raptor ultimately ballooned into a weapon that costs $361 million per copy, even Congress could not stomach the total program cost exceeding $65 billion, Sprey said. As a result, the Air Force is now committed to fielding a fighter program that lacks sufficient numbers to prevail in a major conflict, however effective the individual aircraft may be.
Wow these Raptor critics are really getting desperate what sad crititcism shame it has no facts.
The Raptor’s performance in that mode will be “disastrous,” Sprey added.
“The only thing that will bail the U.S. Air Force out of this mess is the fact that they still have a lot of F-16s in service,” Sprey said, “The day they send the F-16s to the ‘boneyard’ is the day the service becomes a non-Air Force.”
Originally posted by Zanzibar
What I really don't understand about all this stealth stuff, is the noise that these aircraft make!
The F-117 can be heard from miles away! Even if it was at a high altitude, there's a chance an enemy fighter will hear it.
Still, they work, so I must be missing something.
waynos, would you care to enlighten me? You seem to be the top don at aircraft around here.