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5 ton coke bust- planes owners- Tom Delays appointee, and CIA?

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posted on Apr, 20 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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This just gets wierder and wierder. I can't say I fully understand everything ya'll have posted about, but the gist of it alone is B A D. Keep it up. I'd like to see where it all leads.




posted on Apr, 20 2006 @ 03:29 PM
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In the interest of "deny ignorance"
I propose a possible alternative to this situation...

What if when Skyways Folded, the jet was bought/repossed by the leading stockholder "royal sons LLC?"
so that it became a private situation, rahter than a CIA front...

only sayin folks...
we see Skyways for what they were, but what of this Suadi investor and Royal sons LLC... ?
besides sounding very Suadi royalty connected... it was the last listed owner, regardless of what was painted on the plane.



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 10:29 AM
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The angle we are supposed to see this from is obvious...

it was all that Hugo Chavezes fault...!
darn those venezuelans... dont they know not to sell to the man?

MSM coverage (logan had others as well on a previous post)

abc news

Also, here is a little history of the CIAs great record in the war on drugs...
these guys are truely working hard for america...


CIAs hard at work fightin for American interests

BTW: i think it is alright to start talking about this again...
It appears that this is all quite common knowledge, with more than 65 books detailing evidence, and journalists the world over having covered it...

So the CIA deals drugs, so what? If we are to beleive the above history, it is all for the cause of intentionally gathering info, so that they can just close down all the operations of drug smugglers at the same time... in one massive sting.

Venezuela is no secret, neither is the methods of moving it...
it has been brought up in congress before with perfect evidence, and was totally ignored...(read link)

so in essence, unless we are going to go form a human chain across the runway... it isn't going to stop. They dont seem to care who knows (65 books) and they dont seem overall concerned about leaks...

the info is all over the place, no secret about it... but just dont try to stop them...

[edit on 21-4-2006 by LazarusTheLong]



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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That's right, you're either with them, or you're with the other guys.

I mean, the terrorists.

I mean, you're either with the terrorists, or you're with the other guys.

I mean, you're either with us, the good guys, or you're with the terrorists.

Who were the terrorists again?

Dang! This is just too confusing to an ol' country boy like me.

Good thing we have the CIA and President Bush's team to sort it all out for us.



[edit on 21-4-2006 by Icarus Rising]



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 02:03 PM
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Good day Icarus...
Love that humor...

Check this out guys...
not that this member has truly proven who he is, but taking this for what it is worth...

from the "ask me anything, I am insider" thread




quote: Originally posted by Violent
I'd find it highly likely that you were a low to mid-level employee or manager and that you have vast experience with the plagues of government life- ineptitude, beauracracy and half-hearted toil.

But putting that completely unfounded conjecture aside, what could you say to shed light on the government's use of the illegal drug trade and complicity in narcotics traffiking for funding sources?


the reply:



Tha troubleshoota: I've worked many programs, as my skills are in a wide demand...so I'm fortunate to have a wide exposure across many different areas. We are all compartmentalized...do not be fooled. Even high leadership only gets what they need to know because you really don't want one person knowing everything. It in itself is a security risk.
Drug trade and trafficking...believe every word of it. That is too much money for certain officials to stay away from. Do I believe it was sanctioned? No. I believe that a cell of operators were given a charter to do a job with a black budget, and those operators chose to use the drug chain to further fund their project. They were given a long leash, and they used it to their advantage.

The coc aine pays too well for most people to stay away from the money.



need we say more?

here for the thread:
ATS thread

[edit on 21-4-2006 by LazarusTheLong]



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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Yeah, this thread inspired me to pose that question.

I wanted to post this earlier, but I just wanted to tell the posters in this thread-

GOOD JOB.

This discussion is the most respectful, delving and intelligent thread I have found on ATS. It is this kind of investigative journalism and discussion that is simply inspiring. And unfortunately wholely devoid in the main stream media. Argueably devoid in the alternative media, at least on an impactful level.

The drug trade being controlled by the government is not a conspiracy. I personally was involed in relatively low levels of the trade and moving around $10,000 a week of products. That is totally small potatoes, but I can tell you this- the people that get busted are the ones that start to make too much money outside the established avenues. The people that do well are those that work with established avenues, and those people don't become established if they work outside the system. As long as the money keeps coming in and you don't do something ignorant like get the attention of the local PD you will be fine and even protected. All the established and well-connected people in the trade have leads with the local PD and narcotics divisions. Some local PD and divisions even run parts of the trade, but everyone gets their cut and the sheer amount of money involved allows for factions to work in the same town without rocking the boat too much. At the top end where the mass quantities are, the government makes its cut and business goes as usual.

Here's something I'd be very curious to know- what happened to those 5.5 tons? Something makes me strongly feel that after the photo opp that strings were pulled and a good portion of it went back on its merry way after the Mexican authorities got a sizeable pay-off. Most likely all the compromise of the shipment did was concrete a new layer of over. in Mexican payoff's because they are now more aware of the operation.



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 03:01 PM
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snifffffffffffff...
what... i was kinda busy... just got a fed ex delivery...
I missed that...
Ohhhh.

Yep...
now they have to cut the mexicans in...
darn....
too many hands, too little profits...
actually... they could lose a plane a week, and still not notice, from the scale of what we are uncovering...

BTW friends... this thread isn't stopped... merely reorganizing... with better graphics, logos and cup holders... coming soon.
You may not see it, but there is much being done behind the scenes.



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Violent
Here's something I'd be very curious to know- what happened to those 5.5 tons? Something makes me strongly feel that after the photo opp that strings were pulled and a good portion of it went back on its merry way after the Mexican authorities got a sizeable pay-off. Most likely all the compromise of the shipment did was concrete a new layer of over. in Mexican payoff's because they are now more aware of the operation.


The Google translation of a spanish-language newspaper, Por Esto!, contains this snippet (and photograph:




They affirmed that the airplanes DC-9 and Falco'n remain under safekeeping in the airport of City of the Carmen, to disposition of the PGR, reason why some offices have stuck them that indicate their securing.
Around the 2:00 hours of this Tuesday, the three stopped and the drug were transferred to the city of Logwood, at where hours arrived at the edge of the 5:43, on board of a twenty of military units, escorted by patrols of the Preventive Federal Police and the Federal Agency of Investigation.
The drug is protected in the facilities of XXXIII the Military Zone, place where at the moment it is being carried out the verification of authenticity and the official pesaje, and where it will remain until his total destruction.

Source


It's badly translated, but you can get the gist of it.



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 03:30 PM
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HUM...
20 mexican military are excorting it huhh?
So who divys it up?


I am surprised that they claim to still have the plane...
Thought it was already on its way back to its "venezuelan"
owners.

Maybe the FAA page was a bit premature in that assumption... (didn't that page also have strangley unmatching dates?) or is it another one?



[edit on 21-4-2006 by LazarusTheLong]



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 03:41 PM
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Well, that article was written on the 12th, the day after it was captured. The deregistration was on the 13th. And yes, it was N900SA that was listed as deregistered on the 13th, but the page was last edited on the 3rd.

[edit on 21-4-2006 by LoganCale]



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 04:10 PM
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My glimpse into the larger issue came as a result of investigating the question: what happened to organized crime in this country?

For at least thirty years the dominant organized crime syndicate in America has been hiding in the shadow of the beast of state...

For more than twenty years, criminals have held the highest offices, propelled into power by, literally, bags and bags of money, earned primarily through govt. contract scams and drug smuggling. Of course there are endless scams, and nearly as many scammers, ask AK Willy about the Real Estate angle, the legitimacy of government office makes them like little Midas'.

I saw today, elsewhere on ATS, that Nicaragua got its debt cancelled by the world bank, where do you suppose that fits in?

It just so happens that in building relationships with narcotics merchants in foreign lands, elements of the CIA and the interests they served were in a position to perpetuate a number of conflicts, for the benefit of friendly arms merchants I'd guess.

The whole thing is raw, and open to see, but like Lazarus says, just don't try and stop them.

Afghanistan has been a CIA haunt since the soviets were blocking out the sun and laughing maniacally in that part of the world. The recent frakkas there appears to be intimately linked to the heroin needs of the international dirt merchants.

Of course these countries all have petroluem resources that are exploitable, so that produces a really nice investment for the criminally-minded businessmen embedded in our government. When nation building, the US always makes sure to hardwire resouce control, look at who owns the rigs in SE Asia for proof of that. The deadly octopus analogy was apt, it appears.

This is a REAL conspiracy, a provable conspiracy, a (for the most part) transparent conspiracy, and yet nothing will come of it as long as the citizens remain complacent, and the conspirators control the media, the guns, the laws, the courts, the prisons, the fuel, the food, and the money.

People aren't yet strong enough to do what's right, not now, maybe never.


This is a great thread, and I still have hope that some positive change will occur as a result of this particular denial of ignorance.
Lazarus, Logan, really excellent work.



posted on Apr, 22 2006 @ 07:00 AM
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I'm not having a heck of a lot of luck searching in English- so, i thought i'd go around the Latin American countries for some information. Maybe there's something there.
I'll be looking for much more, but here's one, already translated.

Source#1

I will be back.


Hmmm...it WAS translated..Anyone know of a good translator?

[edit on 22-4-2006 by dgtempe]



posted on Apr, 22 2006 @ 05:22 PM
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The second DC-9, N120NE, was first observed having a SkyWay Communications sticker on the left side of the aircraft, as well as a small version of the SkyWay Aircraft seal underneath, in September 2004. Link.

I had a hard time identifying the sticker as SkyWay at first, but then I found this: Link. And you can clearly see there is a small bumper-sticker size Skyway sticker that matches up perfectly to the one on the aircraft.

By July 28, 2005, the aircraft was observed outside the Royal Sons/United Flite/Executive Charters building with a large SkyWay seal on the right side. Link. However, by March 16, 2006, this seal had been removed from the aircraft! Link. You can even see an imprint from where it used to be to the left of the door.

My reason for saying all of this is thus: Do we KNOW that the SkyWay Aircraft seal was on the captured flight, N900SA, at the time it was captured? I have seen no photographs of the aircraft when it was captured and I have read one article that said it had no markings. This is potentially an important fact that needs to be known, and I have been unable to pin this down for sure.



posted on Apr, 22 2006 @ 05:44 PM
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This is a long shot, probably, but... this is the Venezuelan Aviation Authority's website: www.inac.gov.ve...

If anyone knows Spanish, or knows someone who knows Spanish, can you view that website and see if there is anywhere to search for aircraft registration, and if so, if you can search by serial number? N900SA's serial number is 45775 and if their records are searchable like the FAA's - which I doubt, but it's worth a shot - we could figure out who the aircraft was sold to.

The serial number stays with the aircraft forever - unless they somehow fake it - and it'd be great if we could track it down. It'll probably show up eventually somewhere with planespotters constantly taking photos. I wonder if there's a way to alert planespotters in Venezuela to be on the lookout for it...



posted on Apr, 24 2006 @ 11:35 AM
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Good Work Logan...

dgtempe I think speaks espaniol... will that help?

also good info on the planes...
I know the assumption has been that it did have the sticker on the door at the time of capture... but the original author might also have assumed that to be the case...

BTW: it is too bad that the CIA has been enlisted to do the terrorist redention flights...
It leaves far too many leads for investigators to follow... makes all the connections too clear...
as well as companies that are assets or under contracts from CIA (numerous)

If i were them... I would tell Cheney and co. to go to hell, they are screwing up a good thing, by drawing all these assets out into the open in front of the world. Talk about leaks from the White house...
that is a flood...
was it worth it "sniffy"? what about you baldy? do you think we got our loss of discretions worth?



posted on Apr, 25 2006 @ 03:26 PM
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I did go through that site using Google to translate it and was unable to find any reference to a searchable database, but perhaps someone who could really read the actual Spanish could find something I missed. If dgtempe or anyone else is able to take a look at it, that would be helpful.

I'm still unable to get a definative word on the logos. No one I've contacted on anything related to this whole event has responded to me. Kind of frustrating.

I've been busy with other things the past few days, but I intend to keep researching and going through the... overwhelming... amount of possible leads.

One strange thing of note is that... one of the former SkyWay Communications websites, which I'm not going to give a link to, as it would be in violation of the rules. The domain name is still registered to Brent Kovar (and was re-registered by him in January 2006) and, well... it's now a porn site.

This website is poorly made and seems to be masquerading as a different, real site. I believe they are operating as a scam. They offer a trip to go on a photo shoot for $25,000. This seems to be the main focus of the entire website.

There is another, sister site to this - in that it contains the exact same content - and it's registered to what appears to be a false name (and is a false address):

Bobby Loud
43 43rd Street,
New York City, New York 00232

So I don't know what's up with that, but maybe it's what Kovar has gotten into since SkyWay's collapse.



posted on Apr, 25 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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A porn site! Why this just gets curiouser and curiouseer! And more entertaining. Any link between Kovar and Jeff Gannon? A rotten bunch of pecans for sure! Keep up excellent work on this.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 10:19 AM
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Add porn to the list of ways that our beloved "agency" makes black project funding and easy profit...

Mafia has been doing it for years, so why wouldn't the group that seems to have taken over the black market do so as well?

I kinda wonder if the 25,000 photo shoot, is in country, or out of country? what country?
maybe one that deals in sex slaves?

I admit, that is a stretch by what we have SHOWN... but not by some of the links that keep popping up... Still tenious... will follow it though... (members feel free to pick a connection, and follow it also, we aren't fame seekers here, just truth finders)

Let me state here and now, that while the operations that have come to light, make the agency look very bad, that it is a compartmentalized agency...
Not all CIA are drug smugglers... maybe not more than a handfull are...
with so many secret operations going on, I would have trouble beleiving that one hand even has met the other...

I have little trouble thinking that former assets have made use of present assets, to make illegal profit though... that seems to be the strongest angle on this connection so far...

Logan is doing some amazing work detangling the obvious camoflage web, that has been hiding this program in the open for ? years...
I eagerly await whatever info that reveals...



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 11:18 AM
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The photo shoot is in the Virgin Islands. They claim their next trip is June 2006.



posted on Apr, 26 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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Think about this, if you wanted to get a lot of intel on who is buying/using drugs, how would be the easiest do start out. Answer = You buy a lot of drugs. Then you sell the drugs to drug dealers. Then you have agents track the drugs. Basically provide the water for the waterfall. Then just follow the flow. I'm not sure about how they can go from there, but we do live in a very interesting technological time period. Google Earth is the neatest thing since the internet, but it reminds me of how the 'government' is supposed to more so many years (20?) a. in technological knowledge, for example aircraft technology. It's supposed to be "state of the art". The last hour or so of 24, they were not only using real time satellite surveillance, but they were able to rewind it and backtrack to see if the bad guy hooked up with anyone. I believe that this scenario is possible, only based on the belief that the 'government' always has the best toys. I can come up with several different possibilities, but I aint in the loop, so I can't say. I just think if the 'government' had initial control of the 'drug war' that it would be a huge upperhand. Kinda like stacking the deck. Then the 'profits' could be used for other..........????



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