Just a short update to make note of this fact.

swyc.us, the website that once was a SkyWay website, then was a porn site, then was a SkyWay site announcing the return of the company... has now been put behind a password. I suppose they must've noticed the people going to it finally.

LoganCale

You are doing a great job.

Have you some kind of flowchart showing the links between those people and companies? It would be easier to keep track of the connections.

Oops.
I posted on the wrong thread.
Sorry about that.
Now, I have to make sure I don't get fined for a too short reply.
Hmm?


[edit on 8/19/2006 by donwhite]

Originally posted by ArMaP
Have you some kind of flowchart showing the links between those people and companies? It would be easier to keep track of the connections.

I have attempted to create charts several times in order to show the connections, but have been so far unsuccessful due to the large number of involved parties. The ideal would, of course, be for there to be a program that would create the graphs automatically, but I have not been able to find such a thing as of yet and do not have the proper programming knowledge to create such a thing.

Perhaps I shall try again to day to create a rudimentary chart summarizing the connections. It may, however, be better at this point for me to just create an up-to-date summary of the story thus far. There are still many unknown and unconfirmed areas, and it would be easier to explain those in a text form.

We'll see what I come up with.

Logan have you considered talking to an attorney about everything you have brought together and perhaps seeking Civil justice for the American people? I would join an effort to do so if you believe there is sufficient evidence and will even contribute finances for any legal costs in doing so.

you have obviously put alot of work, and it would be wonderful to see if it can all be put to good use in striking justice onto those who are guilty of criminal acts.

5 tons!!! Man I can feel my jaw grinding already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DYepes
Logan have you considered talking to an attorney about everything you have brought together and perhaps seeking Civil justice for the American people? I would join an effort to do so if you believe there is sufficient evidence and will even contribute finances for any legal costs in doing so.

you have obviously put alot of work, and it would be wonderful to see if it can all be put to good use in striking justice onto those who are guilty of criminal acts.

As of yet, there really is only circumstantial evidence for many things, in my opinion. There is no direct proof the drug flight was under the control of the CIA. There is no direct proof that SkyWay and the Kovars were involved in the drug flight. For the most part there is currently only the possibility - and in some cases the probability - that those things are true. Something that does seem fairly clear is that the Kovars were running a scam operation, have done so in the past, and continue to do so. The fact they are not being investigated and are not in prison - even when it's such a simple task to find evidence of their deceit - is, in fact, the only bit of evidence, in my opinion, showing they may in fact have some sort of protection in the government.

There are still some odd connections close to them, to be certain. Such as N120NE coming from Genesis Aviation, a company run by the business associate of Adnan Khashoggi, who had CIA ties and who ran a CIA proprietary airline for some time - the very one that delivered the TOW missiles to Iran. And the parent company of Genesis Aviation, GenesisIntermedia, having been founded by the lawyer who represented Barry Seal.

I'm also relatively certain Fredric J. Geffon is lying and actually is involved in the drug flight. He claims to have sold the aircraft April 7, but quite clearly faxed the documents first to the aircraft broker it was sold through and then to the FAA on the morning after the aircraft was captured and news of it got out.

Anyway, my point before I began rambling was that I don't think there is enough evidence at this point to attempt legal action against anyone or even to write a news article on the topic proporting to be complete and accurate. There is enough to investigate further and there certainly is enough for law enforcement to open an investigation, as they should be doing. A man has some marijuana in a car and gets sent to jail. A U.S. company has a plane get caught full of cocaine and nothing happens. Something seems a bit off.

Logan
Thank you for all the information and the great chart.

Originally posted by LoganCale
...I don't think there is enough evidence at this point to attempt legal action against anyone or even to write a news article on the topic proporting to be complete and accurate. There is enough to investigate further and there certainly is enough for law enforcement to open an investigation, as they should be doing. A man has some marijuana in a car and gets sent to jail. A U.S. company has a plane get caught full of cocaine and nothing happens. Something seems a bit off.

Absolutely right! And this is the way it is meant to be. It's like trying to sweep away the tracks you make while hiking on a trail; one can't see the direct footprints but can only deduct from a broken branch here and there.

There are a few articles out there that are not well researched and have given false information/connections, probably while jumping to conclusions.

As I looked at some bankrupt corporations, I felt they were a scheme/scam. Go back to the 1980's savings and loan robberies (and I don't mean the ones with little guys walking in and pulling out a gun). Look at the Bush son involved with Silverado.

Greed and the love of money seems to be at the heart. A little guy sells drugs to buy a few small luxories he/she can't afford but is advertised as a must-have to participate in society (ipods, new/expensive car, etc.). The big guys do the same, only with the big drug shipments, the big bribes, the scams etc. to buy their multi-million dollar homes, yachts etc.

Some of this is just plain greed, but some could be CIA continuing to do business as usual, using drug pipelines to ship arms, etc (as what famously happened in Central America in the 80's). Shady business all.

Logan, great work...

I agree as to the nature of the evidence we have presently...
it is still not enough... but as you said, it IS enough to spurn a full scale investigation...

Perhaps we could find an interested party that would be willing to support a greater investigation... I have some ideas.

But before we do...
let us ask ourselves what we want the outcome to be.
(the ramifications of this evidence, and what changes it inspires...)
i.e: some basic assumptions
a renewed effort in the war on drugs
a renewed control of drug smuggling networks by NON governmental agencies...
a renewed drum beat of "out the corruption"
a renewed level of drug street crime
a list of foreign smuggling interests that could actually be used for terrorism support
(kashmir opium turned into guns for the other guys, instead of ours)

I have gone round and round with these and many more ramifications for rocking the boat...
and while some reactions are good, many are IMHO bad...
governmental control of these networks does keep the drug market stable, and relitively safe...
it also keeps out groups like the russian mob... (or forces them to give "dividends" for operations)
it keeps a foreign terrorist group from using these funds for terrorist activities (unless the CIA uses it for false flag ops)
and many more

Dont get me wrong... I condone nothing of these corrupt actions...
but i think the solution is to remove the reason for a black market totally...
These kind of illegal rackets illustrate how the government has already accepted that drugs are a normal part of society...

they just wanted the monopoly on them... not to prevent them...
and that is the worst part of this tragedy... the big lie to society

It is a wholesale cash cow, made to artifically support the private prison systems/second class citizenry, and governmental control of the populace.
(as well as being very profitable for those at the top... and even decent for those at the bottom)
so not many people involved want to rock the boat of the way it is, but if we are to oppose the corruption that has taken place, we will find ourselves on one side of the llegalize drugs issue, or the other...

those that like to kid themselves, and accept the lie and what it costs society..
or those that like to pursue truth, and accept what the government already has accepted (and has exploited)
that drugs are... and will always be... so get used to them.

From a personal standpoint, I think drug use needs to be legalized. I certainly would not want to use drugs... but I don't think that just because I think it's a stupid thing to do, no one else should be able to do it. So, really, that would be the ultimate solution. When they're legalized, there's no more reason to smuggle them, thus reducing the likelyhood that criminal (or intelligence) groups will be the ones involving themselves in the action.

I'm not so much against the drugs as the fact the criminalization of drugs mainly seems to exist to raise their value.

Aside from that, however, there are a number of other things to be exposed and people to be prosecuted. Even if they have no real connection to the CIA, the Kovars and other involved parties such as Farkas and Kent are con-men that have scammed people out of millions, and they deserve to be punished for that.

And, I almost forgot...

This thread is becoming rather long with a large amount of what has now become inaccurate information on earlier pages due to its usage as a research thread of sorts. In the interest of preventing people who skim through it from becoming misinformed, I would suggest either the creation of a new thread with a summary of where we are so far... or placing such a summary at the beginning of this thread and changing the title to be a bit more accurate. The implication of a connection to Tom DeLay thing may turn some people off from reading and it's just not particularly accurate. Perhaps something such as Possible CIA connections to 5.5 ton cocaine seizure would do the trick. What does everyone else think? Perhaps if a moderator or administrator could input on that as well.

[edit on 23-8-2006 by LoganCale]

I think it is a good idea.

If it wasn't for my problems with English I would gladly make a summary myself.